The Dark Knight So now that we have more info, what do you think of the Joker?

[The Sage]

I agree
This is a reason is a why I and most of you should: live with the fact that his skin is not bleached. If this was a b89 and BR type film I would be annoyed that they are not staying true to the fantasy elements.

But you're not annoyed that they aren't staying true to the fantasy elements here because everything has to be believable despite it being based on a fantasy in the first place?

 

[Crook]

you're missing my point. i am fully aware of how their goals & ideals differ, that's a no-brainer.... my point is that the makers of this film are trying to show us that these two characters are not too different, with the exception of their ideals, their differing values. you've got two people that have each suffered a great deal, the difference being that one was genuinely a good person at heart, the other person- not so much.

i'm speaking in circles. does any of this make sense to you?

You're missing my point. Everything you just said, I referred to in my very first question.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

let's take this inner circle of Heck to 5,000 pages, please

 

[Juanigi]

overnight?

 

[The Sage]

you're missing my point. i am fully aware of how their goals & ideals differ, that's a no-brainer.... my point is that the makers of this film are trying to show us that these two characters are not too different, with the exception of their ideals, their differing values. you've got two people that have each suffered a great deal, the difference being that one was genuinely a good person at heart, the other person- not so much.

i'm speaking in circles. does any of this make sense to you?

I get what you're saying, I just think the idea is kind of unnecessary. I think having both the Joker and Batman employ theatrics and unorthodox costuming is enough to represent their masks
and similarities.

I think having Batman dress up to be a monster while the Joker is stuck as a monster is a better way to go. Probably would give the Joker more of a reason to be insane.

 

[sglass03]

Also, thought I'd point something out, hope this is the right place to do it:

Anyone notice the indentation in Maggie's cheek, right where Joker's thumb would be? He's stroking her cheek with his thumb, along with that creepy, ecstacy-filled closed-eye look on his face - very sick, indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if the the context is him imagining cutting the very same scar into her face that he already has - remember, he leaves his victims with a smile.

 

[Spade]

let's take this inner circle of Heck to 5,000 pages, please

I'll call Satan and see if we can't whip something up. I don't know how he feels about Internet services, though...fees and whatnot.

 

[The Dark Guybrush]

overnight?

if possible.

 

[Spade]

Anyone notice the indentation in Maggie's cheek, right where Joker's thumb would be? He's stroking her cheek with his thumb, along with that creepy, ecstacy-filled closed-eye look on his face - very sick, indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if the the context is him imagining cutting the very same scar into her face that he already has - remember, he leaves his victims with a smile.

That's the exact same feeling I got. I hope that what's implied there is realized in the course of the film, like a more gruesome version of Smile X.

 

[Carnotaur3]

Also, thought I'd point something out, hope this is the right place to do it:

Anyone notice the indentation in Maggie's cheek, right where Joker's thumb would be? He's stroking her cheek with his thumb, along with that creepy, ecstacy-filled closed-eye look on his face - very sick, indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if the the context is him imagining cutting the very same scar into her face that he already has - remember, he leaves his victims with a smile.

Never noticed that. That is creepy!

 

[Mister J]

He's not making them realistic... he's making them believible. There's a difference between someone making a device that evaporates water (or a man who dresses up as a bat to fight crime) and a chemical bath. For one thing, to receive a face that looks exactly like a clown for bathing in unknown chemicals isn't believible in any sense of the word. As far away from plausible and the worst happenstance ever.

Disregarding that the resultant steam from evaporation possesses a good deal of heat would seem to far outweigh the dealings with chemicals on the implausibility scale. I'm reminded that steam carries intense heat every time I cook rice and had no problem tossing that knowledge right out the window for the Begins finale. Why is it so largely unrealistic that white/bleached skin and green hair would stem from immersion from chemicals, especially when anyone familiar with the character expects him to look that way anyhow?

i think by batman seeing the joker go out of his way to make himself terrifying to others, "theatrical", if you will.. he'll see a little bit of himself in that, or at least what he could become if driven or pushed far enough... the limits to which the joker may very well take him by the end of the film.

I see your point. I just think it can be illustrated by allowing Bruce to come to that realization by simply seeing Joker employ his theatrics. He'll value his life away from the cowl more and understand the necessity of boundaries through witnessing the results of a man who life is void of such distinction.

Also, thought I'd point something out, hope this is the right place to do it:

Anyone notice the indentation in Maggie's cheek, right where Joker's thumb would be? He's stroking her cheek with his thumb, along with that creepy, ecstacy-filled closed-eye look on his face - very sick, indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if the the context is him imagining cutting the very same scar into her face that he already has - remember, he leaves his victims with a smile.

Could very well be. He's definitely got something evil a'cookin'.

 

[Gianakin_]

I like the Joker so far.
His voice. His clothes. His figure (judging by the 2nd official pic where he's behind the blurry glass). His face, from the Knife pic (now that his scars are milder than in the 1st pic released). His laughter. His characterization, even if it's half as good in the movie as it is on the viral marketing, will be spot-on.
No complaints at this stage.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Mmm....Leaves his victims with a smile. I've always liked the Joker leaving his signiture on his victims. Though in the realistic sense, The Jack the Ripper theory is the only way to go. I like it. Makes sense for Nolen's version. Though Burtons' SmileX version cracks me up. The reporter bursting into laughter and dieing. LOL

But I digress. I don't care much of the context of how they smile, just as long as they smile in some way.

 

[Crook]

Mmm....Leaves his victims with a smile. I've always liked the Joker leaving his signiture on his victims. Though in the realistic sense, The Jack the Ripper theory is the only way to go.

Actually, it's not.

 

[aSyluM7]

it looks like they toned the scarring down a bit, maybe its just the lighting. I like everything about it (but I want to see a smile)

 

[Spade]

I doubt it would be done in a PG-13 film that's already pretty dark, but some trickling blood wouldn't be so bad if he smiles. I'd love to see how dark this film can get with all of the characters- from Batman's capacity to be at vulnerable and at a loss for a solution to the Joker's sadism to Dent's snapping point. Visually, I'd be just as happy if that were pushed. But, as it would seem, the scars seem healed by the time he starts strutting around with them.

 

[jmc]

Joker looks great, but I'm still hanging off from delivering a verdict until I see the film. I always thought Ledger never really fitted the role physically, but my opinion has now changed.

As for the whole applied make-up argument, if Nolan wants Joker to not fall into a chem bath, that's fine with me, what's important is the performance, if he's portrayed as an absolute psycho with a sick sense of humour, it'll get the thumbs up.

Here's a theory, this is most likely 99.9% way off, if it is just make up, maybe the Joker uses it for the same reason Bruce dresses as the bat, to strike terror, they become what they fear the most i.e; maybe the Joker is afraid of clowns t:

 

[Juanigi]

someone mentioned showing flashes of his past and the fears that motivate him

maybe a clip of bozo's show

 

[hegele]

someone mentioned showing flashes of his past and the fears that motivate him

maybe a clip of bozo's show

that would be an interesting way of incorporating Scarecrows fear toxin, it would also go against what a lot of fans hope to see-- Joker getting hit with the fear toxin.... and nothing happens.

 

[Juanigi]

getting hit with the fear toxin...and he sees himself

 

[MAKIEVELLI]

Am I the only one who'll be pissed if the Joker dyes his hair? His roots are still brown.

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

Man...I've already complained once. lol I don't mind him dying his hair at all. I just wish it would show up better than it is. All that brown is getting to me a little.

 

[Batman jr.]

His suit looks very good, and Rachel seems to be scared t: You gotta love this Joker, no more ramblings about justice from Rachel! t:

 

[super-t]

getting hit with the fear toxin...and he sees himself

i think i jus boobooed in my draws

 

[ABleedingCorpse]

You know, I don't think Rachel get's hurt at all. I think she'll come away from TDK unharmed. Once again, she's just there for the "girl in trouble" angle. But then again, I could be wrong and it would make a bold statement in the film if Joker does damage Rachel in one way or another. I actually like the idea of her just being scarred and living to look disfigured. I wonder if Bruce would have a problem with that? Perhaps her scarring could play a role in Harvey's attraction to her later on? Like Bale said "It's wide open"