The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 2

[The Shape]

Sorry if this has been asked Shape, but how exactly does Bruce come out of retirement?

A few factors lead to his early return. One of them is

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Selina stealing Bruce's fingerprints.

 

[reper35]

Amazing!! that was absolutely amazing! Teabag!

It looked so real at first, they really went out of their way at Funny or Die.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A few factors lead to his early return. One of them is

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Selina stealing Bruce's fingerprints.

Nice. One more question and thanks for your time. Is Bruce's first night back the scene with the cops? Is his entrance grand?

 

[The Shape]

Nice. One more question and thanks for your time. Is Bruce's first night back the scene with the cops? Is his entrance grand?

Yes, he tries to intercept Bane after the stock exchange. Awesome entrance.

 

[pikachu]

Sorry if this has been asked, Shape, did Selina fight Talia?

 

[Why do we fall?]

Does Gordon know Bruce is still alive at the end

 

[herecomes]

Does Gordon know Bruce is still alive at the end

Someone mentioned that

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after the Bat crash no body was found

so given that [BLACKOUT]Gordon[/BLACKOUT] is smart, he probably thinks so.

 

[Ras Al Fool]

Sorry if this has been asked, Shape, did Selina fight Talia?

Name already answered

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No.

 

[Dark Cockatoo]

Shape,

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I know it seems if spoilers are true, etc. that the ending is complete but Bruce's future is up for interpretation, what is your take on his future as Batman, thanks

 

[The Shape]

Name already answered

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No.

Thankfully so.

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It's lame that every female villain needs to have a catfight with the female 'good guy'.

 

[Ras Al Fool]

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It's lame that every female villain needs to have a catfight with the female 'good guy'.

I agree. It's predictable.

 

[thelostwayne]

Question !!!

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We know Talia and Bruce are the only ones to scape that prison, we know that theres a jump in the middle that is impossible? what makes it "impossible" and and how they accomplish to climb out?

 

[CashforStash]

First time in the thread so my apologizes if this has been asked, and this is the only spoiler I want so...

TheShape, do we ever see Bane without a mask?

 

[The Shape]

Shape,

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I know it seems if spoilers are true, etc. that the ending is complete but Bruce's future is up for interpretation, what is your take on his future as Batman, thanks

Now that it seems everyone has read the detailed spoilers, I don't mind answering this. Of course, some of the spoilers are hard to imagine out of context, but whatever. This will be lengthy and do not read if you don't want the real deal:

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At the end of the film's climax, Batman is assumed dead but he has saved Gotham. This time around, everyone knows it was the Batman who acted as their savior. He is memorialized in the form of a statue and his actions are celebrated by the city. Before Bruce leaves Gotham indefinitely, he gets his will and certain things in order, which is how Blake is left with the means to find the cave entrance. It is implied that Bruce has also restored the Batsignal on the roof of the GCPD.

As you know, it's revealed that 'Robin' is a part of Blake's full name, and throughout the film, we have seen how he has been inspired by the Batman's actions. He also struggles with what he CAN and CAN'T do as a cop, including the fact that his job will sometime require him to kill. In the end, after seeing the selfless action of the Batman, he tosses his badge away and leaves the force behind, symbolically beginning his journey of becoming something 'more' than a cop. This mirrors Bruce throwing away the gun in BB. I think that moment in BB is when Bruce 'became' Batman, and this moment in TDKR is when Blake 'becomes' Robin.

Batman has seen the good in Blake and recognized the similarities between Blake and himself. Like Bruce, Blake understands the importance of justice and that it often requires the will to act, not just standing back and letting others lead you...but taking control of your destiny. This is why Bruce decides to leave him with the means to do so. We don't know all of the things that Bruce has left 'Robin', but access to the cave and his equipment is one of them.

Here's where my ideas come into play: No, Blake is not ready to just suit up and hit the streets. This is only the beginning of his journey, much like the early events of BB were the beginning of Bruce's. I'm sure that among the other things Bruce left to Blake were instructions or hints at how to train and prepare himself for the things he may encounter. Or, he has trusted Blake to find his own way. That we do not know for sure. We don't even know if Blake will follow through and become this new hero...but I believe he will.

The fact that his full name is revealed also says something to me. Throughout the whole film, he refers to himself as John Blake. He is clearly embarrassed or uninterested in using his full (or real) name. He may have even been bullied for it as a child. But when collecting the bag Bruce left him, the woman asks him for his name. He replies, "John Blake". She then says, "You should use your full name...Robin." He smiles, which to me indicates that he is ready to embrace this other part of him that has remained dormant for some time. So, in my eyes, there's a great chance that Blake will use the means provided to him to create a NEW symbol for Gotham, one that he can make his own. He can build his own reputation, much like Bruce created his own. OR he can choose to take the symbol of the Batman and allow that symbol to live on. The whole city believes Batman to be dead and gone, but if he were to return and that signal was to shine again, it would prove that the Batman is immortal in the eyes of Gotham (and this is partially true since Bruce survived).

It's completely left to interpretation and can be debated for the next century. ALSO, the fact that Bruce is clearly still alive and well led me to imagine that someday he would return...when he is ready. He could return to Gotham and train Blake in secret, or he could simply return to aid him in a time of need. IMO, there are many more stories to be told in Nolan's Batman universe. We just will never see them...but, we can imagine them.

This is what I love about the ending. People are panicking about the Robin thing or Blake potentially become Batman, but it's no different than Bruce training and fighting alongside a 13-year-old orphan. IMO, this version of Robin is much more realistic and Blake does EARN this trust from Bruce. They share a special bond during the film, and Bruce clearly deems him worthy of becoming a part of his world.

In Batman Begins, Bruce sets out on this journey of finding himself. He does find himself and, over the course of the trilogy, experiences success, failure, pain, and redemption -- a complete story arc that is stretched over three films. Bruce has done what he needed to do. He's happy...for now. He's moved on from Gotham...for now. We do not know if he will return, but he's already given so much to the people of Gotham. Maybe he's content with remaining in the shadows for the rest of his life. But in my eyes...probably not. Still, for now, he has helped set another man on a path towards redemption and self-sacrific. I loved it. This is how I described it to the one person so far that I told the ending to:

One journey ends. Another begins.

 

[herecomes]

Do we know if the [BLACKOUT]elder gentleman that gets draged from under a table in some trailer[/BLACKOUT] is Senator Patrick Leahy? If not, what role does he play?

 

[Dark Cockatoo]

Thanks Shape, You didnt have to be so thorough but I appreciate it: the ending also assuages my fears,

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I personally really hope they somehow when time comes continue tangent to this, with Bale returning and training, then leading Robin. Could be another trilogy arc, with Robin's training, Bruce's mentorship ans mastery on full display, and the eventual handing of the torch fully.

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[GENERAL RAAM582]

theShape

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Do you think WB will continue this series with a Robin movie (or Blake in the Batsuit), or is over? Maybe they might do a sequel in comic form like Smallville.

 

[The Shape]

Thanks Shape, You didnt have to be so thorough but I appreciate it: the ending also assuages my fears,

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I personally really hope they somehow when time comes continue tangent to this, with Bale returning and training, then leading Robin. Could be another trilogy arc, with Robin's training, Bruce's mentorship ans mastery on full display, and the eventual handing of the torch fully.

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Nah, man.

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This is it. Bale will never be Batman again, sadly, and Nolan will never direct another. Even though I consider the ending the be complete (at least Bruce's story arc), it ends on a note that holds meaning for the trilogy overall. It all goes back to Bruce's conversation with Alfred on the plane in BB. He wanted to inspire good in others and by the end of TDKR, he has. Blake is the living embodiment of that.

The next Batman series will be completely different.

 

[The Shape]

theShape

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Do you think WB will continue this series with a Robin movie (or Blake in the Batsuit), or is over? Maybe they might do a sequel in comic form like Smallville.

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No chance in hell. That wasn't what this ending was about. And I HATE that people are taking it as "leaving room for a sequel" or anything like that. No, it's just not gonna happen. We already know WB's plans of rebooting Batman after this, and since they hold Nolan in such high regard, they would never make a sequel or spin-off with another director and cast.

 

[J5550123]

Nah, man.

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This is it. Bale will never be Batman again, sadly, and Nolan will never direct another. Even though I consider the ending the be complete (at least Bruce's story arc), it ends on a note that holds meaning for the trilogy overall. It all goes back to Bruce's conversation with Alfred on the plane in BB. He wanted to inspire good in others and by the end of TDKR, he has. Blake is the living embodiment of that.

The next Batman series will be completely different.

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I love everything about the movie except for Selina killing Bane.

 

[The Shape]

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I love everything about the movie except for Selina killing Bane.

Idk, man.

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I liked it and I'm real glad Batman didn't kill Bane.

While I'm in the mood to give out spoilahz, here's my last one that nearly made my dick hard when I was watching it, lol

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In the last fight, as Batman and Bane are fighting each other, we all know Batman smashes Bane's mask (he doesn't do that on purpose btw, so NO, he wasn't trying to killing). Then, Bane loses control, goes ape**** crazy, and slowly starts to die. He's wheezing and you can see it in his face that he's a goner, but Batman keeps wailing on him and grabbing him, screaming "WHERE IS THE DETONATOR!!" or something along those lines. Finally, he pulls Bane close and says, "Tell me where the detonator is...THEN you have my permission to die."

I lost my ****, it was so badass!

 

[The Joker]

Shape,

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How much from TDK plays into TDKR's story?

 

[elgato]

TheShape, only spoiler I'd like to know before the movie comes out.

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Is Juno Temple some kind of Holly Robinson character?

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I've read pretty much every spoiler thus far, I really wish I didn't read that one.

 

[The Shape]

TheShape, only spoiler I'd like to know before the movie comes out.

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Is Juno Temple some kind of Holly Robinson character?

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Nah, she's "Jen", a close friend of Selina's. She's young, and it's implied that Selina has taught this girl her ways of burglary and manipulation, but it's not as if she's trained to be a sidekick or a Catwoman successor. Very small role and I'm not sure why everyone is so interested in it.