The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 2

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Shape, you missed out my question before...

Is there much interaction between Hardy and Cotillard, and also are there a good portion of Bane/Talia flashbacks or is it just pretty much a couple of minutes or so towards/at the reveal?
 
I've read pretty much every spoiler thus far, I really wish I didn't read that one.

Hey, man. That's why spoilers are a tricky business. It's what I've been saying along. If you're referring to
the Batman quote I just wrote about, I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but it's literally the one thing I've been dying to tell someone, lol
 
Nah, she's "Jen", a close friend of Selina's. She's young, and it's implied that Selina has taught this girl her ways of burglary and manipulation, but it's not as if she's trained to be a sidekick or a Catwoman successor. Very small role and I'm not sure why everyone is so interested in it.

Oh, well that's still a kind of HollyR-role, even if it's a small one, personally she's one of my favorite characters from the whole Catwoman mythology
Thanks so much, TheShape :woot:
 
Idk, man.
I liked it and I'm real glad Batman didn't kill Bane.

While I'm in the mood to give out spoilahz, here's my last one that nearly made my dick hard when I was watching it, lol

In the last fight, as Batman and Bane are fighting each other, we all know Batman smashes Bane's mask (he doesn't do that on purpose btw, so NO, he wasn't trying to killing). Then, Bane loses control, goes ape**** crazy, and slowly starts to die. He's wheezing and you can see it in his face that he's a goner, but Batman keeps wailing on him and grabbing him, screaming "WHERE IS THE DETONATOR!!" or something along those lines. Finally, he pulls Bane close and says, "Tell me where the detonator is...THEN you have my permission to die."

I lost my ****, it was so badass!

That does sound awesome. Lol. I'm really looking forward to that part now. And I have a quick question, which I'm not sure if its been answered or not.

After Selina shoots Bane with the cannon, what does she say?
 
Shape, you missed out my question before...

Is there much interaction between Hardy and Cotillard, and also are there a good portion of Bane/Talia flashbacks or is it just pretty much a couple of minutes or so towards/at the reveal?

Yeah, I saw that.

My bad man. I'm not that into discussing the backstory spoilers, cause they are tough to explain it's pretty cool to see how they play out on screen. But the flashbacks are threaded throughout the film in the form of those quick flash-type shots that Nolan is so fond of, with one that's slightly extended towards the end.

And I really liked Bane and Talia's interaction at the end.
 
Idk, man.
I liked it and I'm real glad Batman didn't kill Bane.

While I'm in the mood to give out spoilahz, here's my last one that nearly made my dick hard when I was watching it, lol

In the last fight, as Batman and Bane are fighting each other, we all know Batman smashes Bane's mask (he doesn't do that on purpose btw, so NO, he wasn't trying to killing). Then, Bane loses control, goes ape**** crazy, and slowly starts to die. He's wheezing and you can see it in his face that he's a goner, but Batman keeps wailing on him and grabbing him, screaming "WHERE IS THE DETONATOR!!" or something along those lines. Finally, he pulls Bane close and says, "Tell me where the detonator is...THEN you have my permission to die."

I lost my ****, it was so badass!

Best Bats line of the trilogy!!

As for Selina
war is war and I think Bats will understand. What we she supposed to do? Let Bats die and Bane win? I don't see it any worse than Bats with Ra's

But two questions Shape:

Does Bruce say anything when Miranda reveals she's Talia?

And

If Wayne Manor becomes a boy's home, is it implied that Blake will run it/be involved with it? I kind of picture Blake using the boy's home to prevent crime rather than becoming a crime fighter; I think that's a better legacy for Bats to leave.
 
Idk, man.
I liked it and I'm real glad Batman didn't kill Bane.

While I'm in the mood to give out spoilahz, here's my last one that nearly made my dick hard when I was watching it, lol

In the last fight, as Batman and Bane are fighting each other, we all know Batman smashes Bane's mask (he doesn't do that on purpose btw, so NO, he wasn't trying to killing). Then, Bane loses control, goes ape**** crazy, and slowly starts to die. He's wheezing and you can see it in his face that he's a goner, but Batman keeps wailing on him and grabbing him, screaming "WHERE IS THE DETONATOR!!" or something along those lines. Finally, he pulls Bane close and says, "Tell me where the detonator is...THEN you have my permission to die."

I lost my ****, it was so badass!

Just reading that description felt badass.

I'm gonna try and get the theater clapping as soon as he says that, lol
 
That does sound awesome. Lol. I'm really looking forward to that part now. And I have a quick question, which I'm not sure if its been answered or not.

After Selina shoots Bane with the cannon, what does she say?

Not sure vertbatem, but something along the lines of, "Yeahhh, I'm gonna have to disagree with your 'no guns' rule." She really saves Batman's life, though. Glad she did it.
 
Thinking about shapes description of the ending. Feel free to bounce off any of these ideas if you wish (especially Shape)

I'm starting to like it. Especially if i take the idea that I've had about Blake since he was announced. If Blake truly encapsulates the people of Gotham in a singular individual (as well as the audiences) remember Bruce's plan all along was to save gotham, and he realised in the second film the way to save Gotham, is by saving the soul and the morals of the people who populate it. He failed with Harvey, the hero he chose, the hero he inspired...he put all his hopes for the future of the city in his hands and he failed, it told Bruce that maybe as long as people are corruptible, he can never inspire anyone to change. Wiping out the city of it's crime and mobsters are all good, but no one man can truly change the city, it takes it's people, and if he can truly inspire one person to take charge of their own city rather than be led around and be victimised, then he has done his job.

So if Blake's arc in the film is about his faith and inspiration to take matters in his own hands thanks to Batman, maybe in a more thematic sense, it means Blake taking up whatever duty or cowl, represents (on a grander scale) the new found independence and inspiration shared by everyone in the city of Gotham.

Maybe Nolan's idea of "Robin" is the simple everyday joe taking up his own life and responsibility, that is Batman's legacy not just to Blake, but to the people of gotham and all of us, it's just represented by blake.

Anyway just some thoughts
 
Yeah, I saw that.

My bad man. I'm not that into discussing the backstory spoilers, cause they are tough to explain it's pretty cool to see how they play out on screen. But the flashbacks are threaded throughout the film in the form of those quick flash-type shots that Nolan is so fond of, with one that's slightly extended towards the end.

And I really liked Bane and Talia's interaction at the end.

No worries man, I'm just getting a bit paranoid when my posts keep getting missed out, lol. :oldrazz:

Cool, I can appreciate that. Thanks for all your time and trouble over the past few days in answering our questions dude. :up:
 
Just reading that description felt badass.

I'm gonna try and get the theater clapping as soon as he says that, lol

Yeah, dude! If I wasn't in a half-empty theater full of professional critics, I would have screamed out loud, lol. I literally had no one I could react to.
 
Not sure vertbatem, but something along the lines of, "Yeahhh, I'm gonna have to disagree with your 'no guns' rule." She really saves Batman's life, though. Glad she did it.

Thanks for answering. I'm so glad the movie is near three hours long; more to enjoy. :word:
 
Now that it seems everyone has read the detailed spoilers, I don't mind answering this. Of course, some of the spoilers are hard to imagine out of context, but whatever. This will be lengthy and do not read if you don't want the real deal:


At the end of the film's climax, Batman is assumed dead but he has saved Gotham. This time around, everyone knows it was the Batman who acted as their savior. He is memorialized in the form of a statue and his actions are celebrated by the city. Before Bruce leaves Gotham indefinitely, he gets his will and certain things in order, which is how Blake is left with the means to find the cave entrance. It is implied that Bruce has also restored the Batsignal on the roof of the GCPD.

As you know, it's revealed that 'Robin' is a part of Blake's full name, and throughout the film, we have seen how he has been inspired by the Batman's actions. He also struggles with what he CAN and CAN'T do as a cop, including the fact that his job will sometime require him to kill. In the end, after seeing the selfless action of the Batman, he tosses his badge away and leaves the force behind, symbolically beginning his journey of becoming something 'more' than a cop. This mirrors Bruce throwing away the gun in BB. I think that moment in BB is when Bruce 'became' Batman, and this moment in TDKR is when Blake 'becomes' Robin.

Batman has seen the good in Blake and recognized the similarities between Blake and himself. Like Bruce, Blake understands the importance of justice and that it often requires the will to act, not just standing back and letting others lead you...but taking control of your destiny. This is why Bruce decides to leave him with the means to do so. We don't know all of the things that Bruce has left 'Robin', but access to the cave and his equipment is one of them.

Here's where my ideas come into play: No, Blake is not ready to just suit up and hit the streets. This is only the beginning of his journey, much like the early events of BB were the beginning of Bruce's. I'm sure that among the other things Bruce left to Blake were instructions or hints at how to train and prepare himself for the things he may encounter. Or, he has trusted Blake to find his own way. That we do not know for sure. We don't even know if Blake will follow through and become this new hero...but I believe he will.

The fact that his full name is revealed also says something to me. Throughout the whole film, he refers to himself as John Blake. He is clearly embarrassed or uninterested in using his full (or real) name. He may have even been bullied for it as a child. But when collecting the bag Bruce left him, the woman asks him for his name. He replies, "John Blake". She then says, "You should use your full name...Robin." He smiles, which to me indicates that he is ready to embrace this other part of him that has remained dormant for some time. So, in my eyes, there's a great chance that Blake will use the means provided to him to create a NEW symbol for Gotham, one that he can make his own. He can build his own reputation, much like Bruce created his own. OR he can choose to take the symbol of the Batman and allow that symbol to live on. The whole city believes Batman to be dead and gone, but if he were to return and that signal was to shine again, it would prove that the Batman is immortal in the eyes of Gotham (and this is partially true since Bruce survived).

It's completely left to interpretation and can be debated for the next century. ALSO, the fact that Bruce is clearly still alive and well led me to imagine that someday he would return...when he is ready. He could return to Gotham and train Blake in secret, or he could simply return to aid him in a time of need. IMO, there are many more stories to be told in Nolan's Batman universe. We just will never see them...but, we can imagine them. :yay:

This is what I love about the ending. People are panicking about the Robin thing or Blake potentially become Batman, but it's no different than Bruce training and fighting alongside a 13-year-old orphan. IMO, this version of Robin is much more realistic and Blake does EARN this trust from Bruce. They share a special bond during the film, and Bruce clearly deems him worthy of becoming a part of his world.

In Batman Begins, Bruce sets out on this journey of finding himself. He does find himself and, over the course of the trilogy, experiences success, failure, pain, and redemption -- a complete story arc that is stretched over three films. Bruce has done what he needed to do. He's happy...for now. He's moved on from Gotham...for now. We do not know if he will return, but he's already given so much to the people of Gotham. Maybe he's content with remaining in the shadows for the rest of his life. But in my eyes...probably not. Still, for now, he has helped set another man on a path towards redemption and self-sacrific. I loved it. This is how I described it to the one person so far that I told the ending to:

One journey ends. Another begins.

So basically,
Wayne learns from Ra's. In order to make Batman immortal, he resorts to cheap parlor tricks to conceal his true identity? :yay:
 
Nah, she's "Jen", a close friend of Selina's. She's young, and it's implied that Selina has taught this girl her ways of burglary and manipulation, but it's not as if she's trained to be a sidekick or a Catwoman successor. Very small role and I'm not sure why everyone is so interested in it.

Have you seen Juno Temple? That is why it is a big deal. :o
 
Hey, man. That's why spoilers are a tricky business. It's what I've been saying along. If you're referring to
the Batman quote I just wrote about, I'm sorry to spoil it for you, but it's literally the one thing I've been dying to tell someone, lol

I don't blame you. I blame myself. But I can't wait nonetheless.

It feels complete now. Batman has always had that one badass final line. "I'm not going to kill you... but I don't have to save you." and "No, but I know how you got these [scars]."
 
Best Bats line of the trilogy!!

I might have to agree!



But two questions Shape:

Does Bruce say anything when Miranda reveals she's Talia?

And

If Wayne Manor becomes a boy's home, is it implied that Blake will run it/be involved with it? I kind of picture Blake using the boy's home to prevent crime rather than becoming a crime fighter; I think that's a better legacy for Bats to leave.


1 - I do believe they share some words, yes.

2 - Blake was always involved in helping out at the orphanage. Early on, Blake tells Wayne he needs to do something for the orphanage. Wayne Enterprises stopped giving them money because the company is going broke. So Blake is happy that Bruce has left them with so much at the end, but no, I doubt he'll be involved with it in a serious capacity. It's quite clear the type of journey he's embarking on.
 
Shape, not a spoiler question, just wanna ask - you said TDKR was better than TDK, right? What are you reasons? I'm guessing it has more meaning and heart to it?
 
Shape,

What's all this about Blake's father being a Cop who died the night Dent died?
 
Thinking about shapes description of the ending. Feel free to bounce off any of these ideas if you wish (especially Shape)

I'm starting to like it. Especially if i take the idea that I've had about Blake since he was announced. If Blake truly encapsulates the people of Gotham in a singular individual (as well as the audiences) remember Bruce's plan all along was to save gotham, and he realised in the second film the way to save Gotham, is by saving the soul and the morals of the people who populate it. He failed with Harvey, the hero he chose, the hero he inspired...he put all his hopes for the future of the city in his hands and he failed, it told Bruce that maybe as long as people are corruptible, he can never inspire anyone to change. Wiping out the city of it's crime and mobsters are all good, but no one man can truly change the city, it takes it's people, and if he can truly inspire one person to take charge of their own city rather than be led around and be victimised, then he has done his job.

So if Blake's arc in the film is about his faith and inspiration to take matters in his own hands thanks to Batman, maybe in a more thematic sense, it means Blake taking up whatever duty or cowl, represents (on a grander scale) the new found independence and inspiration shared by everyone in the city of Gotham.

Maybe Nolan's idea of "Robin" is the simple everyday joe taking up his own life and responsibility, that is Batman's legacy not just to Blake, but to the people of gotham and all of us, it's just represented by blake.

Anyway just some thoughts


Yeah, man.
The themes run so deep through the whole series. The fun comes in figuring out all the places they come into place. In TDK, Bruce tried to find a 'hero with a face', a good guys who was incorruptible and who could fight crime without a mask. Clearly, Harvey showed than ordinary citizens ARE corruptible, and that to truly make a different, you need to be 'extraordinary'. Bruce was an extraordinary person who did the impossible several times, and now, it seems Blake is on his own path to becoming something "more" than just a man.
 
So shape you don't believe there is any possibility of another sequel? Even with some of the cast admitting it leaves the door open?
 
So basically,
Wayne learns from Ra's. In order to make Batman immortal, he resorts to cheap parlor tricks to conceal his true identity? :yay:

That he does!

That's another good point. This ending ensures that Batman will endure as his own legend, just as Ra's did his way.
 
Yeah, dude! If I wasn't in a half-empty theater full of professional critics, I would have screamed out loud, lol. I literally had no one I could react to.

Lol, I would've screamed out anyway, probably involuntarily.
 
Shape,

What's all this about Blake's father being a Cop who died the night Dent died?

I read that, and I don't remember exactly what Blake says in the movie. Don't think I caught that part, but Blake does speak with Bruce and explain his past to him.
 
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