The All Things Flash Thread. - Part 1

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I can't relate to the 3 strikes thing because I liked Man of Steel quite a bit. At this point I think if they make a good movie it's going to be based on luck.

 

[LoganGambit87]

i can see them going after Jordan Vogt-Roberts for a replacement he did kings of summer a good coming of age comedy and is directing Kong skull Island for WB

 

[TeeKay]

Losing one guy is a sign of problems, but it does happen. Losing two in 6 months? That means chaos.

It was a miracle Ant-man turned out the way it did. We'll see what happens with this, certainly fascinating.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You have already chosen a narrative. Its very clearly on you.

And you dont need multiple movie credits to understand a character and greenlight a script on said character.

No, you have chosen a narrative. You have decided that whatever way the WB/DC winds blows, you will follow. That is of course your right. But considering the track record of WB has had outside of Nolan, how can you play the, "you guys are doom and gloom" card? As if nothing has happened here, multiple times.

Being a quality film writer usually comes with writing a quality script. Learning how to condense and make a story work over 2 hours, one with mass appeal and quality storytelling, is not easy. Johns has been around for a while, and it is only after all the blowback they gave him "control" of some sort. Even as apparently nothing has changed according to Snieder.

 

[MadVillainy]

Stealing this from brandeezy89 from the JL thread

Yeah i don't think Rick's vision fit the new direction they're now taking. Also, let's look at the writing credits for the upcoming films

Wonder Woman - Geoff and Alan H.
Justice League - Chris Terrio with rewrites by Geoff and Affleck
Aquaman - Will Beall with a story by Geoff
Flash - Seth Grahame with a story by Lord and Miller
Batman - Ben Affleck and Geoff

See what stands out?

 

[TeeKay]

Stealing this from brandeezy89 from the JL thread

This is putting all their eggs in one basket. Its a dangerous game.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I can't relate to the 3 strikes thing because I liked Man of Steel quite a bit. At this point I think if they make a good movie it's going to be based on luck.

Here is thing SPIDEY. This whole, "DCEU" thing has not proven to be any different then what they were doing while making stuff like Catwoman, Green Lantern, and pretty much anything not involving Nolan. It is the exact same crap shoot.

 

[Guts]

What direction do you guys think the Flash movie should take?

 

[Rowsdower!]

It's too bad Josh Trank is busy. He seems like the kinda guy who would fit right in at WB.

 

[idiot09]

If thats the case, then lots of comic book writers would be writing these comic book films. But that isn't the case for obvious reasons.

Again, you have missed the point. I have never said Geoff Johns should be writing the script. Rick clearly did that(an actual filmmaker/writer). As an authority on the material, Johns probably didnt agree with the take, and they parted terms. Am I not making myself clear?

Oh man, the irony.

We all have opinions man. You must have missed the part where I said none of this is ideal, and the timing is very problematic.

No one is saying that.

You act like "Oh Johns gets the character in the comic, so that'll transfer to film" and people are pointing out that thats not necessarily the case


No one is being "doom and gloom" other than stating the facts.
1) They've lost 2 of their directors
2) They're most likely going to have to push the movie back

If that's doom and gloom then ok

No. What I think is if Geoff Johns doesnt agree with the direction Rick was taking in the movie, I trust his judgement. You might disagree with that, thats your choice. DC has made him the boss of the movies now, so thats what happening.What I'm NOT SAYING is Geoff Johns should write the script or make the movie.

I actually agree with 1 and 2. Many are actually adding a 3 that is :

3. DCEU is doomed.

That I disagree with, because I refuse to believe this is goodnews/badnews before we get further info. However I WILL STATE AGAIN, the timing of this is very bad and losing 2 directos is not good. Whether this will be good for the movie, I dont know for now.

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This is the last Im going to speak about this topic, as I believe I have my opinions clear. If people are going to misinterpret me, go ahead.

 

[KillerWolf]

It is only unique because WB is trying to pull a Rothman on X-Men level of strangeness.

They changed direction with Johns' arrival, that is sure. Famuyiwa's approach probably got caught in the crossfire of that change, for better or worse. I agree that it's sh**ty it happened so late in the game, but that's where we are.

 

[MadVillainy]

This is putting all their eggs in one basket. Its a dangerous game.

To say the least.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What direction do you guys think the Flash movie should take?

Wait and pay Lord and Miller whatever they want to come back after they are done with Han Solo.

 

[mclay18]

When does production start?
I think for Ant-Man the announcement of Edgar's departure was May 23 and a Peyton's by June 7 for an August production date.

The Flash was on track to start filming March 2017 for a March 2018 release. WB has more time to find a replacement director than when Edgar Wright departed Ant-Man, but there's still lots of prep work to do and possible recasting of key roles if Famuyiwa's cast (save for Ezra) drop out.

I don't know why WB isn't poring over the various directors Marvel Studios has mulled over for their films and meeting with them. If they're going for a comedic bent for The Flash, why not consider Rob Letterman, Ruben Fleischer, or Rawson Marshall Thurber? Or the contenders for GOTG like Ryan Fleck & Anna Boden?

I don't know if Fujihara has a huge big say on the directors chosen or designated authority to Geoff Johns and Jon Berg since the reshuffling. But maybe they ought to take more cues from Marvel in terms of untested directors.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They changed direction with Johns' arrival, that is sure. Famuyiwa's approach probably got caught in the crossfire of that change, for better or worse. I agree that it's sh**ty it happened so late in the game, but that's where we are.

It is fine to say it is what it is. I just don't get why there is a need to act like this is normal. I feel like we went on a tangent that missed my original post. Whether this works out or not, this is not normal.

 

[MadVillainy]

Wait and pay Lord and Miller whatever they want to come back after they are done with Han Solo.

Thing is...would they really come back?
I've said this in another thread, the way WB is treating their directors it's going to get to a point where the big directors aren't gonna want to come to WB for DC projects.

Especially after Lord and Miller work with Disney/Star Wars and aren't they still working with SONY/Marvel on that animated Spider-Man? I dont think theyre coming back

 

[MadVillainy]

Also stole this from the JL thread

Hire 'Josh Just F**k Up My Franchise Fam Trank'

 

[Guts]

Wait and pay Lord and Miller whatever they want to come back after they are done with Han Solo.

I would also like a comedy director to direct like Edgar Wright and I hope they get some influence from the Silver Age.

 

[Kane52630]

 

[Chip Chipperson]

So the new narrative is now "This director never made anything I liked, so I don't care about this"

Never mind the whole principle of it all.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Thing is...would they really come back?
I've said this in another thread, the way WB is treating their directors it's going to get to a point where the big directors aren't gonna want to come to WB for DC projects.

Especially after Lord and Miller work with Disney/Star Wars and aren't they still working with SONY/Marvel on that animated Spider-Man? I dont think theyre coming back

All fair. It is what I would do. I think if they delay the movie to a point that that is a possibility, I think we will see just how bad WB's rep is with the talent that doesn't simply have to say yes to them.

 

[MadVillainy]

It's crazy to me reading some of the reactions, it doesn't seem like some people know that they can like the DCEU and still criticize certain aspects of it. I dont get how some people are just like: "Yeah this doesn't mean anything"
It's not the end of the world or the DCEU, but you have to be ignoring some pretty big things to act like it's just business as usual

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Losing 2 directors is not a good start for this

 

[TeeKay]

To say the least.

WB's so-called 'course correction' just reminds of the complete 180 they did after Batman Returns. Nothing good's going to come from it, because they still. Don't Get It. As much as I love Marvel I want DC to do well. A competitive Market is good for the genre, it brings out the best. Right now the DCEU is a trainwreck.

 

[KillerWolf]

It is fine to say it is what it is. I just don't get why there is a need to act like this is normal. I feel like we went on a tangent that missed my original post. Whether this works out or not, this is not normal.

We're kinda going in circles, mate. I guess I didn't express myself quite clearly. Let me put it this way - the shake-up at WB that happened in the midst of planning this film was a big change, so you could say that it isn't normal in the sense that it makes a rather unique and exceptional situation, but this thing with Famuyiwa happening right now as a result of that shake-up and its course-correction makes sense to me. That is why I don't view it as such a huge deal, since I basically view Grahame-Smith's "Flash" project and Famuyiwa's "Flash" project as two separate things, considering the change of people in charge in the meantime.