Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5 - - - - Part 13

[Huddsy]

I'm not suggesting it to you, I'm telling you. They're super soldiers.

Unless you work for Marvel, no idea how you could "tell" anybody anything regarding something that isn't in a movie yet...

 

[NickNitro]

The Super Soldier Serum lived and died with Captain America. That was already established in Cap and Avengers. Nice try though.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Yea i hope so. It's something different in the MCU. It opens up so much story telling potential instead of just "experimented on... got super powers".

I think they'll be experimented on, but to figure out how and why they got these powers. Strucker will be trying to study their DNA and replicate it.

I disagree. It would be sloppy writing and seem like an ass pull in the movie itself. "Why do they have powers?" "They just do". That will be how it comes off, and it doesn't work in the grounded universe Marvel has created. People aren't just born with powers in this universe.

Again, as I've been saying since IM3 came out, Marvel has already addressed the source of hot the twins can have their powers; the brain slot Killian was talking about. HYDRA just found a way to tap into it and perfect [blackout]probably with the help of Loki's staff[/blackout] that others failed at, and took it a step further than the serum that made Rodgers and Winter Soldier.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Unless you work for Marvel, no idea how you could "tell" anybody anything regarding something that isn't in a movie yet...

[blackout]What HYDRA has been doing is addressed towards the end of TWS[/blackout]

:/

 

[Mr. Dent]

And where did you hear this?

From someone who has seen the movie. I'm also probably seeing the movie tomorrow night.

 

[Mr. Dent]

The Super Soldier Serum lived and died with Captain America. That was already established in Cap and Avengers. Nice try though.

What have people been doing throughout this entire overarching story in the MCU? Trying to recreate it. Obviously the serum that gave Cap his powers is not the only way to tap into the brain slot that modifies DNA to manifest a person's latent potential, as shown by Extremis and Banner's own experiments.

 

[BoredGuy]

Well then, how bout a compromise??

If everyone's born with this 'brain-slot', QS and SW just already had something there, from birth, a genetic mutation

Because while Fox may have the rights to "Mutants", they do not own science.

Again, them being given powers via experiment or whatever, is overdone and would hamper their uniqueness, while also changing a large part of their backstory. To each their own, if you want a thorough explanation, good for you, but many here would be content without it. And please stop talking like you're a producer at Marvel, you don't know any more than anyone else, and it gets obnoxious.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I think they could indeed be kept in the dark, in Agents of SHIELD there was that guy who controled fire, SHIELD had been taking an eye on him for years and he usually kept quiet, it was even stated that he was not the only one born with powers

They never really suggested he was born with them, they even hinted it had something to do with him being near a nuclear plant for a period of time.

Well then, how bout a compromise??

If everyone's born with this 'brain-slot', QS and SW just already had something there, from birth, a genetic mutation

Because while Fox may have the rights to "Mutants", they do not own science.

:/

I don't really understand why people want them to be born with powers so bad. I like this way better. It actually gives a reason for them to have powers that is in sync with the universe they've built so far and fits into the plot of Age of Ultron and the overarching MCU. They're the progression of the super soldier plot line, which makes them easier to have in a sequel than coming up with an entirely new plotline on top of everything else that will be going on. I think it's smart writing personally. If Joss had to introduce an entirely new plotline to get them into the movie I don't think he would have used them, and I think he had the super soldier experiment as an element of the script in mind first and thought of the twins as a good way to manifest that afterwards.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Does anyone know if Marvel shares the rights to Beast? He's a well known associate of the Avengers... I would love to see him on the team.

I know Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were Avengers before him, but still he's had a long history with the team

 

[Lord]

They're the son and daughter of a couple that gained powers through other means, that's a possibility, or they're an anomaly, look at the fire guy from Agents of SHIELD

 

[Crimson King]

From someone who has seen the movie. I'm also probably seeing the movie tomorrow night.

I'm definitely seeing it tomorrow night, so I'll report back then. Even if the experiments are based off of the SS program, I wouldn't call them super soldiers, though.

 

[The Endless]

I disagree. It would be sloppy writing and seem like an ass pull in the movie itself. "Why do they have powers?" "They just do". That will be how it comes off, and it doesn't work in the grounded universe Marvel has created. People aren't just born with powers in this universe.

Again, as I've been saying since IM3 came out, Marvel has already addressed the source of hot the twins can have their powers; the brain slot Killian was talking about. HYDRA just found a way to tap into it and perfect [blackout]probably with the help of Loki's staff[/blackout] that others failed at, and took it a step further than the serum that made Rodgers and Winter Soldier.

Sloppy would be re-hashing "experimented on... got superpowers" again.

Them having the powers naturally adds an air of mystery to the MCU. And surprise. Imagine how someone like Thor would react to this revelation. That mere mortals have naturally developed powers that rival his own. So much story telling potential for the future of the MCU outside this movie.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Does anyone know if Marvel shares the rights to Beast? He's a well known associate of the Avengers... I would love to see him on the team.

I know Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were Avengers before him, but still he's had a long history with the team

FOX has him. I think that's been pretty clear to this point.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Does anyone know if Marvel shares the rights to Beast? He's a well known associate of the Avengers... I would love to see him on the team.

I know Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were Avengers before him, but still he's had a long history with the team

I think he's exclusive to the xmen. More history and longer history with them.

 

[Rorschach2012]

FOX has him. I think that's been pretty clear to this point.

Well obviously Fox has the rights to Beast, but they may share the rights with Marvel.

 

[Lord]

Only if Marvel lets them keep the FF a while longer

 

[Rorschach2012]

I think he's exclusive to the xmen. More history and longer history with them.

Yeah that'd make sense. Are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch mainly Avengers characters then?

 

[Mr. Dent]

Does anyone know if Marvel shares the rights to Beast? He's a well known associate of the Avengers... I would love to see him on the team.

I know Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch were Avengers before him, but still he's had a long history with the team

Definitely not. Beast was an Avenger for a time, but he is clearly rooted in X-Men. The twins have never been X-Men, and were only involved in X-Men comics very briefly when they were first introduced. The only mutant-related team either one of them has ever been on was X-Factor. Other than that, they're completely Avengers characters.

I'm definitely seeing it tomorrow night, so I'll report back then. Even if the experiments are based off of the SS program, I wouldn't call them super soldiers, though.

Well, I mean I don't think they'll necessarily be called super soldiers but the essence is the same.

Sloppy would be re-hashing "experimented on... got superpowers" again.

Them having the powers naturally adds an air of mystery to the MCU. And surprise. Imagine how someone like Thor would react to this revelation. That mere mortals have naturally developed powers that rival his own. So much story telling potential for the future of the MCU outside this movie.

Well we're just going to have to disagree.

And you're really generalizing the entire plotline and basically straw manning it to make your argument valid. It is not just a rehash of "experimented on....got superpowers" when the context is entirely different than what we've been shown in the past and they're essentially the PERFECTED version of those experiments, the apex of it which they've been building to. All the other experiments have been failures and Rodgers has only had heightened human abilities; the twins are perfected, and go beyond just peak human conditioning.

The super soldier plotline has not been finished, and the twins are a manifestation of the plotline reaching its next logical phase. It fits into the plot and MCU seamlessly and does not require more convoluted and long winded explanations than necessary for people to all of a sudden have powers, and it's not as lazy as just saying they're born with them and expect the audience to just accept it as an "air of mystery" and not just lazy writing. Unless the twins fit into the plot of the film there's really no reason to introduce them, and Joss did it because he found a way for them to fit into the film's plot. As he said himself, there is not a lot of fat in the script.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Only if Marvel lets them keep the FF a while longer

Yeah i hope that they could negotiate something that awesome. Maybe Marvel lets Fox keep FF, but Avengers could feature Beast and the MCU could gain Silver Surfer and Galactus? Ah the possibilities... screw Fox. Their X-Men universe needs to be allowed to die

 

[craigdbfan]

Yeah that'd make sense. Are Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch mainly Avengers characters then?

Their history with the Avengers is pretty extensive, so yeah.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Well obviously Fox has the rights to Beast, but they may share the rights with Marvel.

They don't and it's never been reported as though they do. That was simply a Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch thing.

 

[The Endless]

Well we're just going to have to disagree.

And you're really generalizing the entire plotline and basically straw manning it to make your argument valid. It is not just a rehash of "experimented on....got superpowers" when the context is entirely different than what we've been shown in the past and they're essentially the PERFECTED version of those experiments, the apex of it which they've been building to. All the other experiments have been failures and Rodgers has only had heightened human abilities; the twins are perfected, and go beyond just peak human conditioning.

The super soldier plotline has not been finished, and the twins are a manifestation of the plotline reaching its next logical phase. It fits into the plot and MCU seamlessly and does not require more convoluted and long winded explanations than necessary for people to all of a sudden have powers, and it's not as lazy as just saying they're born with them and expect the audience to just accept it as an "air of mystery" and not just lazy writing. Unless the twins fit into the plot of the film there's really no reason to introduce them, and Joss did it because he found a way for them to fit into the film's plot. As he said himself, there is not a lot of fat in the script.

Why would Strucker refer to them as [blackout]"miracles" and the beginning of the "age of miracles"[/blackout] if they were simply humans he experimented on? That word to me means something that can't be rationally explained. At least yet.

Also it ties in with Joss' show Agents of SHIELD where they have "unregistered gifted" people running around.

 

[cherokeesam]

On to questions of geography...

Haven't seen this discussed here today, but DCMF has been busy over at CBM and came up with some new info about the global scope of the film....spoiler-tagged:

Spoiler

More details about the Korea shoot:

According to The Chosun Ilbo, about 15 to 20 minutes of the Marvel sequel will make up major battle and chase scenes set in Seoul, South Korea. More specifically, "The headquarters of a Korean IT institute on a small islet on the Han River will also play a central role as villainous robot Ultron tries to acquire state-of-the-art technology." In addition to Korean actress Kim Soo-hyun (Claudia Kim) playing a scientist at the said institute, the report further reveals that "The core scene set in Seoul involves Ultron laying parts of the city to waste." However, South Korea won't be just portrayed amid the Ultron-inflicted calamity: "A scene in which one of the characters, Iron Man, flies over the Digital Media City in Sangam-dong and Han River Park will show the harmony of nature and the modern beauty of Seoul," says a city official. What do you think?

In light of practical "chaotic blasts" during filming, typically, The Avengers: Age of Ultron will close several busy areas in Seoul, South Korea, starting March 30 until April 14.

So the earlier rumors about the Korean actress being part of Ultron's creation aren't bogus at all. Seems like Ultron either originates in Seoul, or goes there to get some kind of tech to upgrade himself. Sounds like a major battle there. Also, earlier reports have Cap and Widow present at the scenes that will start filming there in a few days. So...Cap and Widow vs. Ultron in Korea ---- you *gotta* believe Falcon and Hawkeye would be part of that detachment, too...?

Production is also gearing up in Italy, where there will be scenes with "simulations of an earthquake or explosions." Of course, principle photography will start early next month in London, where an undisclosed U.K. woodland location is scheduled to double for "Sokovian woods, near Fortress [Bard?]" and it will also serve as a "lightly snowy" backdrop to a battle sequence between "three to four principal actors." Hmm.

Been racking the Interwebs to find out if such a place as "Sokovian Woods" exists, and the closest I can suss out:

A) The concept artist was dyslexic, and it's supposed to be "Kosovo," not "Sokovwhatever"
B) "Sokovia" is how the city of Segovia is pronounced/spelled in some European languages. *I guess* the Italian shoots could double for Spain....?
C) "Sokovia" appears as a word/name in several Eastern European countries, namely Slovakia, Slovenia, and the Czech Republic. Can't find any actual place names with that, or find a translation, but these Eastern European countries would make sense as the home of our Maximoff twins.
D) "Sokovia" is flat made up. Quite possible. Maybe Marvel couldn't/didn't want to use "Transia" as the (canonical) home of Wanda & Pietro, and settled on this as a substitute.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Beast's appearance in Avengers comics: 90
Beast's appearance in X-Men comics: The rest of his 6000+ appearance

Scarlet Witch has appeared in over 300 Avengers related comics and very little X-Men, while Quicksilver by far appears in mostly Avengers related comics outside of X-Factor.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Why would Strucker refer to them as [blackout]"miracles" and the beginning of the "age of miracles"[/blackout] if they were simply humans he experimented on? That word to me means something that can't be rationally explained. At least yet.

Also it ties in with Joss' show Agents of SHIELD where they have "unregistered gifted" people running around.

[blackout]He wasn't referring to them specifically as "miracles" he was just saying the age of miracles is upon us as in normal people have freaking powers now and **** is hitting the fan. This doesn't point to either of our arguments, he was just making a general statement about how far out things are getting.[/blackout]

And every single unregistered gifted we've met so far has a scientific explanation for their powers, and Scorch was hinted to have been in contact with some kind of nuclear plant that resulted in his abilities. You're really not bringing up anything concrete, just generalities that help neither of our cases (which is being generous, because I could easily say what AOS has shown so far leans far more heavily to what I'm saying).