Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5 - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Dark Raven]

Well did Bill Bixby look that much like the comic Banners?

I don't know what you mean by "classic Bruce". Ruffalo doesn't really look like Banner who first appeared in Incredible Hulk #1 or the early Tales to Astonish issues. He doesn't look much like the John Byrne Banner either (who seemed to be a nod to that frail milksop from the early Hulk comics). But Ruffalo does look somewhat similar to the Banner who was in the late 70s and 80s as drawn by the likes of Sal Buscema.

 

[TheVision]

Banner is a brown haired scientist. He doesnt really have a specific look since theres been many versions over the years.

 

[ctsketch]

He looks more like him than Ed Norton (frail nerd) or Eric Bana (unlikable nerd) actually. Mark comes from the Bill Bixby (cool scientist) class of Banner. Thats my favorite anyway.

I just rewatched Ang Lees HULK again the other day btw. I really f***n hate that movie.

I can't watch Ang Lee's Hulk again...once was enough

 

[MahvelBaby!]

It could be not as good as TWS and DOFP...and still be freaking awesome, can't it? Not everything HAS to outdo everything in order to be good, A1 still my favorite SH film of ALL TIME, yes ALL TIME even with it's flaws.

 

[TheVision]

One thing Joss has that the other filmmakers dont is a deep knowledge/love of these characters. He also writes better than the other guys imo. I can just watch his characters talking/interacting and its as fun as the action to me.

 

[BoredGuy]

Well, the Russos clearly have a ton of love for the source material as well
and TWS has some very good character interactions and dialogue

while DOFP mainly has a talented ensemble director and a good cast

However, I believe AoU will have the toughest time living up to Avengers 1, not either of those films.
For one thing, it's next summer so there's space there between it and Cap and X-Men. And for the other, Avengers is just on a different level in terms of awareness, anticipation, and audience expectation. BvS is the only one that's similar in terms of having that level of visibility, and luckily AoU comes first.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Hmm, nice job.

I'm so glad they didn't portray him as some frail guy like in those Avengers cartoon movies.

Thanks. I didn't like him as the non-frail Banner at first, but after watching him in The Avengers, I warmed up to this version.

touche. I was referring to the current frail iterations

Be specific!

 

[TheVision]

BOREDGUY: Well, the Russos clearly have a ton of love for the source material as well
and TWS has some very good character interactions and dialogue

while DOFP mainly has a talented ensemble director and a good cast

However, I believe AoU will have the toughest time living up to Avengers 1, not either of those films.
For one thing, it's next summer so there's space there between it and Cap and X-Men. And for the other, Avengers is just on a different level in terms of awareness, anticipation, and audience expectation. BvS is the only one that's similar in terms of having that level of visibility, and luckily AoU comes first.

^^ Forgot The Russos because I really liked TWS. Their film and A1 are on the same level for me in terms of portraying the characters really well.

AOU: Im expecting a film that expands the MCU even more and has a bigger scope, is a bit more serious than A1 in tone. I wont try to compare it until I see the entire thing.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I agree that Ruffalo comes close to both the Bixby and the 80ies CB version. I fact, I think so far he is the actor who resembles the comic book version (or at least some of them) the most

 

[TheVision]

"Well, this all seems...horrible" I love those kinds of lines!

 

[starkresilient]

Glasses swapping is as wild as we get these days. Happy swapping on Memorial Day weekend with Mark and Bob @robertdowneyJr

 

[TheVision]

LOL! Those guys with their funky eyewear

 

[Tony Stark]

Well I trust the actors when they say that Joss dialed it up a notch. This film has a chance to have an emotional undertone that Avengers 1 didn't. This is the one thing DOFP has over Avengers, and don't get me wrong because I think Avengers is the better film, but there's no emotional depth to it, mainly because it's an origin film and these folks are meeting for the first time.

Also don't forget folks. JAMES FREAKING SPADER IS ULTRON!!!! The fact that it's the first film Downey and he have done together since Less than Zero. I don't know that there's any film that's coming out with that kind of gravitas attatched to it.

DOFP had a great ensemble film, but 90% of the cast is window dressing (and that included Quicksilver).

No one does ensemble films in this genre better than Joss. Everyone gets their day in the sun, and no one feels short changed.

 

[TheVision]

As awesome/satisfying as Avengers is, I feel like Joss didnt get the chance to really push the boundaries with it. I think its mainly because it was a huge chance/first time ensemble movie. Noone knew what would happen really until it went through the roof like it did. With AOU all the doors are open and he has the time/money to make it an epic story. It sounds like the script is definitely up to the next level from A1 as the actors have noted.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Well I trust the actors when they say that Joss dialed it up a notch. This film has a chance to have an emotional undertone that Avengers 1 didn't. This is the one thing DOFP has over Avengers, and don't get me wrong because I think Avengers is the better film, but there's no emotional depth to it, mainly because it's an origin film and these folks are meeting for the first time.

Also don't forget folks. JAMES FREAKING SPADER IS ULTRON!!!! The fact that it's the first film Downey and he have done together since Less than Zero. I don't know that there's any film that's coming out with that kind of gravitas attatched to it.

DOFP had a great ensemble film, but 90% of the cast is window dressing (and that included Quicksilver).

No one does ensemble films in this genre better than Joss. Everyone gets their day in the sun, and no one feels short changed.

While Avengers wasn't deep in philosophy or what have you, I wouldn't call it absent of emotional depth.

You have Tony's virtue challenged by Steve, which he then proves by his willingness to sacrifice himself.

You've got Tony telling Steve that they're not soldiers after Coulson's death, which obviously struck parallel to Yinsen grief in him. Steve however also knows about what it's like to live and lose as a soldier, considering Bucky.

Bruce talks about how he tried to kill himself, about how he was 'good', and how he doesn't 'every time get what he wants' while pushing a baby cradle. Tony extends kindness and encouragement to Bruce which the Hulk later repays by saving Tony and being concerned about him not waking up immediately.

Natasha has regrets and a desire to do some good.

Clint lost himself.

Thor has to deal with the fact that Loki's pretty far gone.

Loki's lost and desperate for a cause. He wants to be important, because he never felt important in Asgard.

It's subtle stuff, like, there isn't sad violin music in the background, or dramatic dark closeups of characters looking into the distance with a forlorn expression, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

 

[The Endless]

It was hard enough to make Avengers work at all. It's like running before you can walk.

Sometimes i think people under estimate what the guy did with that film. He took those 4 characters and meshed them together in a way that works. And i'm not just talking about the characters themselves, but their worlds and tones from their solo movies.

Now they have been successfully blended together, we can see them go a bit more ambitious.

 

[ctsketch]

While Avengers wasn't deep in philosophy or what have you, I wouldn't call it absent of emotional depth.

You have Tony's virtue challenged by Steve, which he then proves by his willingness to sacrifice himself.

You've got Tony telling Steve that they're not soldiers after Coulson's death, which obviously struck parallel to Yinsen grief in him. Steve however also knows about what it's like to live and lose as a soldier, considering Bucky.

Bruce talks about how he tried to kill himself, about how he was 'good', and how he doesn't 'every time get what he wants' while pushing a baby cradle.

Natasha has regrets and a desire to do some good.

Clint lost himself.

Thor has to deal with the fact that Loki's pretty far gone.

Loki's lost and desperate for a cause. He wants to be important, because he never felt important in Asgard.

It's subtle stuff, like, there isn't sad violin music in the background, or dramatic dark closeups of characters looking into the distance with a forlorn expression, but that doesn't mean it isn't there.

The great thing about the baby cradle part was it was improv

 

[TheVision]

Avengers was an appetizer, AOU will be a smorgasbord!

 

[TheFirstAvenger]

Was DOFP good? I want to see it next weekend.

 

[starkresilient]

damn edgar wright left ant-man. I was looking for him to be in mcu and bring those characters to avengers 3

 

[RockSP]

damn edgar wright left ant-man.

Hm. Unexpected.

 

[TheVision]

Ant Man: Sort of a shock. I just dont get why they spent years working on it and now suddenly Edgar is leaving. He mustve had some drastic new idea changes.

Im not a huge fan of hs movies to be honest, I just want the film to be great.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

damn edgar wright left ant-man. I was looking for him to be in mcu and bring those characters to avengers 3

What?!?! Man I wonder what brought that about?!

 

[starkresilient]

it's all over internet at the moment

it was edgar wright's passion, he was working on it since 2006. something bad must have happened between him and marvel. very dissapointed at that news

“Marvel and Edgar Wright jointly announced today that the studio and director have parted ways on ANT-MAN due to differences in their vision of the film,” a statement read. “The decision to move on is amicable and does not impact the release date on July 17, 2015. A new director will be announced shortly.”

The Wrap

 

[TheVision]

What I dont get is why it took so long for them to know about Edgars ideas. Didnt they have meetings for a long time? Weird