Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5 - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[MauriSSio]

Oh the chitauri did go flying back when Thor hit them alright. Cap is a super solider, of course he'd hurt them fighting hand to hand...:

The chitauri didn't go flying. Certainly not very far. Cap is a super soldier but strength still within human limits and still had some trouble when fighting regular human strengths people in tws. So for reference, someone getting hit by the hammer would probably just look similar to the punch iron man does in im1 on the terrorist. Funny, but not a messy explosion of blood and guts.

 

[TheVision]

TeeKay: Cap saved the planet from HYDRAs bs, very proud of him, but Iron Man destroyed an alien battle station in SPAAAACE with a Nuke / singlehandedly saving NYC... RECOGNIZE!

 

[MauriSSio]

Well I guess now you're gonna be questioning the science of how exactly Thor summons lightning.

I'm not questioning anything. The movie does a good job of showing it. Iron Man gets the credit for all those chitauri. His methods is very similar to thors. They both used outside sources.

 

[ctsketch]

The chitauri didn't go flying. Certainly not very far. Cap is a super soldier but strength still within human limits and still had some trouble when fighting regular human strengths people in tws. So for reference, someone getting hit by the hammer would probably just look similar to the punch iron man does in im1 on the terrorist. Funny, but not a messy explosion of blood and guts.

they all went flying screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rn3gm_DEdo

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I'm not questioning anything. The movie does a good job of showing it. Iron Man gets the credit for all those chitauri. His methods is very similar to thors. They both used outside sources.

That's complete BS and you know it. You're just trying to start another pointless argument by splitting some hairs. A nuclear missile is not one of IM's weapons/skills so is an outside source. Mjolnir is controlled by Thor in every battle/fight so it's not an outside variable that has to taken into account. Calling Mjolnir an outside force is like calling Cap's Shield, BW's widow stingers, or Hawkeye's bow and arrow the same.

 

[TeeKay]

The chitauri didn't go flying. Certainly not very far. Cap is a super soldier but strength still within human limits and still had some trouble when fighting regular human strengths people in tws. So for reference, someone getting hit by the hammer would probably just look similar to the punch iron man does in im1 on the terrorist. Funny, but not a messy explosion of blood and guts.

They did. Watch the scene he's fighting with Hulk on top of the Leviathan. Cap took on a Quin Jet in Cap 2, what's your point? If you're referring to the elvator scene, there were way too many people in there and it was a small space. Of course he had trouble fighting them. I recall him owning the terrorists in that ship at the start without breaking a sweat. The only person Cap had trouble fighting was Bucky (because he received a super soldier serum as well). He kicked everyone else's ass.

I'm not questioning anything. The movie does a good job of showing it. Iron Man gets the credit for all those chitauri. His methods is very similar to thors. They both used outside sources.

It was still all a group effort regardless ended the invasion.

 

[ctsketch]

That's complete BS and you know it. You're just trying to start another pointless argument by splitting some hairs. A nuclear missile is not one of IM's weapons/skills so is an outside source. Mjolnir is controlled by Thor in every battle/fight so it's not an outside variable that has to taken into account. Calling Mjolnir an outside force is like calling Cap's Shield, BW's widow stingers, or Hawkeye's bow and arrow the same.

exactly...this is more Trolling.....just like saying Hawkeye would only make 65 mil and calling 150mil low budget :P

 

[Zoom]

That's complete BS and you know it. You're just trying to start another pointless argument by splitting some hairs. A nuclear missile is not one of IM's weapons/skills so is an outside source. Mjolnir is controlled by Thor in every battle/fight so it's not an outside variable that has to taken into account. Calling Mjolnir an outside force is like calling Cap's Shield, BW's widow stingers, or Hawkeye's bow and arrow the same.

Or he has a hard time understanding the difference between Thor using his innate powers to destroy the leviathans while iron man strongest attacks couldn't even penetrate the hide of one of them. LOL. Using an weapon launched by SHIELD doesn't count, as Thor could've done the same.

 

[Iceman]

In the Avengers, Thor hits the chitauri with the hammer while fighting. They don't go flying around or explode upon impact. For reference black widow and Captain America fight them hand to hand and still hurt them.


nice try but. ...no. that move was nothing compared to the destruction iron man brought them at the end of avengers.

Thor didn't fire that lightning out of his arse either. It came from a weapon.

Bit not from him. Got it.

Thor directed the lightning like iron man directed the nuke.

The nuke didn't come from Iron Man like the lightning didn't come from Thor. Thor didn't manifest that lightning from nothing. It came from mother Earth and he redirected it, much like the nuke was in a way. Not to mention Thor probably shocked a ton of people in the b building to death.

Lucky for Stark he was born with armour that can fly him around the world and through intergalactic portals!

 

[MauriSSio]

That's complete BS and you know it. You're just trying to start another pointless argument by splitting some hairs. A nuclear missile is not one of IM's weapons/skills so is an outside source. Mjolnir is controlled by Thor in every battle/fight so it's not an outside variable that has to taken into account. Calling Mjolnir an outside force is like calling Cap's Shield, BW's widow stingers, or Hawkeye's bow and arrow the same.

Yumyum is an OUTSIDE source. Not only that The lightning itself is an outside source. It came, not from Thor or yumyum but from the clouds/sky. He simply redirected it. Much like iron man redirected the nuke.

 

[MauriSSio]

Or he has a hard time understanding the difference between Thor using his innate powers to destroy the leviathans while iron man strongest attacks couldn't even penetrate the hide of one of them. LOL. Using an weapon launched by SHIELD doesn't count, as Thor could've done the same.

The stark armors are coded so only he (and rhodey) can use them. Much like thors hammer probably is in the mcu.

 

[TheVision]

Yumyum? whatever. Dude why do you act like a bratty 12 year old in here? I dont get it

 

[Iceman]

Yumyum is an OUTSIDE source. Not only that The lightning itself is an outside source. It came, not from Thor or yumyum but from the clouds/sky. He simply redirected it. Much like iron man redirected the nuke.

All of Iron Man's powers are external in this case. He's just a normal guy in terms of physical powers. Thor actually has some internal powers without Mjolnir and could have done what Iron Man did himself with the nuke using his own natural abilities.

 

[MauriSSio]

Lucky for Stark he was born with armour that can fly him around the world and through intergalactic portals!

Thor want born with the hammer in his hand (presumably). Not only that, in the mcu Thor is simply an Alien probably not much different than human. His advancements might even just be nanotech in his blood introduced after birth. Or maybe just alien altered dna.

 

[MauriSSio]

All of Iron Man's powers are external in this case. He's just a normal guy. Thor actually has some internal powers without Mjolnir and could have done what Iron Man did himself with the nuke using his own natural abilities.

We saw in Thor 1 what Thor was like with his given powers speed away. His natural powers made him about as strong as a regular person.

 

[ctsketch]

Yumyum is an OUTSIDE source. Not only that The lightning itself is an outside source. It came, not from Thor or yumyum but from the clouds/sky. He simply redirected it. Much like iron man redirected the nuke.

He has the power to manipulate weather.


Are you saying Stark has the power to call forth Nukes to redirect?

 

[MauriSSio]

Yumyum? whatever. Dude why do you act like a bratty 12 year old in here? I dont get it

I'm just using a silly Thor 1 reference, don't be so hurt about it. Have a sense of humor!

 

[ctsketch]

We saw in Thor 1 what Thor was like with his given powers speed away. His natural powers made him about as strong as a regular person.

No, he was changed from Asgardian to HUMAN, all Asgardians are stronger than humans. the way he fought on earth wasn't his "normal" powers. he was made mortal. without Mjornir he is still superstrong...long living and durable

 

[ctsketch]

I'm just using a silly Thor 1 reference, don't be so hurt about it. Have a sense of humor!

can't even get that right. It's Meowmeow

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

We saw in Thor 1 what Thor was like with his given powers speed away. His natural powers made him about as strong as a regular person.

have you ever read a comic in your life?

 

[ctsketch]

He's either a troll or ignorant...the question is what he would rather be?

 

[Silvermoon]

*walks in....sees where conversation has gone*

Sooo...... back to those Thor pictures (JustJared I believe has some that weren't included in HunBoy's post). It looks like in some of them there's a dusting of snow on the ground... something Thor has done or just 'local weather' and not relative to the story??

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Yumyum is an OUTSIDE source. Not only that The lightning itself is an outside source. It came, not from Thor or yumyum but from the clouds/sky. He simply redirected it. Much like iron man redirected the nuke.

Yumyum

He generates the lightning though, so effectively it does come from him, or are you suggesting that the lightning was coincidental

 

[Iceman]

Thor want born with the hammer in his hand (presumably). Not only that, in the mcu Thor is simply an Alien probably not much different than human. His advancements might even just be nanotech in his blood introduced after birth. Or maybe just alien altered dna.

The point is that Iron Man needed external powers to redirect the nuke. Your point was that Thor's accolades in that battle don't really count as he's using external forces like Mjolnir but Iron Man is too.

 

[JJ01]

They sad TWS had the biggest tie in to AOU


So, now that you have watched TWS a zillion times t:, what in your opinion leads to AOU?

- "An AI that keeps rewriting itself ?" (for some reason when Natasha said that, I couldnt help but to think Ultron

- Bad guys plan B after Project Insight failed?

- Tony privatizing global security? (Hill was hired by SI, and in an AOS episode, she mentions that he privatized global security)

- the Government forced to create Ultron after Widow blew them off? "You won't arrest us, because you need us". So if they have Ultron to protect Earth, they won't need the Avengers anymore

- Zola's algorithm evolving? the Avengers were identified as a threat by the algorithm; so if it's the case here, that would explain why the Twins team up with the rest of the team (unless Thor finds and uses the scepter to set their minds free of Hydra's control)




IDK, lol

I can see the government creating Ultron as a response to Stark's Avengers. Maybe that's where Rhodey comes in? Ultron putting him in a coma and manipulating Jarvis would make it really personal to Tony.