The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[Suzanne78]

It might not "transcend" the genre... but it sounds like it embraces the genre, which is exactly what I wanted it to do, and the approach I expected Whedon to take, given his background.

And that's just as good as transcending anything, IMO.

 

[Iceman]

true, topped of with pixar's recent performance, Disney really needed this.



I have a feeling THG cost a fraction of what TA did. And we don't even know if TA topped it's opening yet(It will be close I think).
-not forgetting THG's ain't no slouch domestically.

The comment you quoted was quoting a different comment about the impact on Marvel Studios. If TA did a John Carter it could have shut them down because of the implications for their future films. Marvel Studios remit is limited at the moment (they don't have the luxury of making a HG) to making films from the Marvel Universe with their biggest available characters featuring in Avengers so a flop here and it could easily be end of project. Not saying THG hasn't done amazingly well but the studio risk was only huge (partly due to the lower cost) rather than all encompassing like TA at JC numbers would have been for the future of MS. I used THG as the comparison because it's similar.

 

[Chewy]

Let's not **** our selves here. The Avengers is in fact a comic book movie and nothing more. It will sell a ton of tickets but don't be a fool, other than cramming a bunch of super heroes into one film this movie does nothing to transcend the genre.

The genre doesn't need transcending.

 

[Chewy]

Does anyone know which movie had the fastest run to a billion? Because it seems to me that TA's OS performance and projected domestic opening may put it on track to fastest billion-dollar earner. If everything stays on track.

I think it was Harry Potter

 

[Iceman]

Let's not **** our selves here. The Avengers is in fact a comic book movie and nothing more. It will sell a ton of tickets but don't be a fool, other than cramming a bunch of super heroes into one film this movie does nothing to transcend the genre.

Why is transcending the genre a primary aim? Surely that should be incidental to whatever efforts you are making to construct the best possible project?

 

[Raiden]

They haven't so long as they are good movies. Ghost Rider SOV is the perfect example of what a bad comic book movie will do with audience expectation. They ran that on a shoe string budget, and still no one gave a crap.

Can you imagine if Fantastic Four had released this year? It would probably gross 40-50M.

I still don't understand why Fox wants to hold on to the FF rights, even though the previous two FF movies were crap and were disappointing both critically and financially. I guess they just don't want to give them up and would rather risk another tens of million dollars for another go rather than letting Marvel have the rights back.

 

[Chewy]

The Dark Knight doesn't transcend any genre either. It's a mishmash of genres. A genre can't be transcended. A genre is a category something falls into.

 

[Raiden]

Let's not **** our selves here. The Avengers is in fact a comic book movie and nothing more. It will sell a ton of tickets but don't be a fool, other than cramming a bunch of super heroes into one film this movie does nothing to transcend the genre.

You make it sound like "comic book movie" is a four-letter word. Why shouldn't The Avengers just be a great superhero movie instead of trying to be a movie that is almost embarrassed to feature superheroes in the midst of trying to "transcend" the genre?

 

[Iceman]

The Dark Knight doesn't transcend any genre either. It's a mishmash of genres. A genre can't be transcended. A genre is a category something falls into.

Fantastic Four doubly transcended the comic book film genre to become an authentically bad romantic comedy. Could it be the new comic book king?

 

[Suzanne78]

Actually, yeah. Nolan's Batman trilogy is really a mix of various Batman stories, but isn't it mostly inspired by Batman Year One & The Long Halloween with a good measure of Moore's The Killing Joke thrown in?

So his trilogy embraces the comic book (mostly graphic novel) aspect of Batman's character too. It's also a great crime-action caper. And the tone's perfect for Bats...

Just like Whedon struck the right tone for Avengers, or so everyone says

 

[Marvin]

The comment you quoted was quoting a different comment about the impact on Marvel Studios. If TA did a John Carter it could have shut them down because of the implications for their future films. Marvel Studios remit is limited at the moment (they don't have the luxury of making a HG) to making films from the Marvel Universe with their biggest available characters featuring in Avengers so a flop here and it could easily be end of project. Not saying THG hasn't done amazingly well but the studio risk was only huge (partly due to the lower cost) rather than all encompassing like TA at JC numbers would have been for the future of MS. I used THG as the comparison because it's similar.

I see. I just wanted to note that THG's success also hinges on how little it costs to make, whereas TA no doubt cost more than Transformers or rather Green Lantern.

I still don't understand why Fox wants to hold on to the FF rights, even though the previous two FF movies were crap and were disappointing both critically and financially. I guess they just don't want to give them up and would rather risk another tens of million dollars for another go rather than letting Marvel have the rights back.

The minute Fox get's some creative talent behind FF(and they may just have), the likes of Whedon, then they've got a mega property on their hands. Tim Story lol.

-the things James Cameron could do with FF, a kid can dream.

You make it sound like "comic book movie" is a four-letter word. Why shouldn't The Avengers just be a great superhero movie instead of trying to be a movie that is almost embarrassed to feature superheroes in the midst of trying to "transcend" the genre?

Sucks that we consider superhero films a genre unto themselves. Luckily comic books don't work that way.

 

[Iceman]

I see. I just wanted to note that THG's success also hinges on how little it costs to make, whereas TA no doubt cost more than Transformers or rather Green Lantern.

Yes, it's a separate point but one I very much agree with. The great thing is they are almost guaranteed two more blockbusters that won't cost exorbitant amounts to make.

 

[spider-neil]

The genre doesn't need transcending.

it's like when people claim TDK 'transcends' the genre but are quick to lump it back in with the genre when they want to compare it with other superhero movies. that pretty much defeats the object of transcending the genre.

I want a movie to EMBRACE the genre, I grew up reading about larger than life characters in cheesy settings beating the **** out of each other and that is exactly what I want to see on the big screen.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Variety report on the latest $260m numbers ...

http://www.boffo.com/2012/05/box-office-avengers-reaches-260m-abroad.html

Wow! This is impressive.

 

[Iceman]

it's like when people claim TDK 'transcends' the genre but are quick to lump it back in with the genre when they want to compare it with other superhero movies. that pretty much defeats the object of transcending the genre.

I want a movie to EMBRACE the genre, I grew up reading about larger than life characters in cheesy settings beating the **** out of each other and that is exactly what I want to see on the big screen.

Yeah, go and join crimemoviehype.com and discuss it there if you're that desperate for genre transcension.

 

["_____"]

it'll easily make over a billion

 

[Saitou Hajime]

So much for the theory that Comic Book movies have run their course....

Haters just have to face reality: superheroes OWN summer and will do so for the foreseeable future. TA is just setting up the money pile that TASM and TDKR is going to inflate in a couple of months.

 

[metaphysician]

The genre doesn't need transcending.

What he said. The only people who talk about "transcending genre" are people who think anything "genre" is intrinsically inferior.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I believe avatar holds the record to fastest billion 17 days.

As for whether TDK transcended any genres, it was the first major comic book blockbuster type film that was considered legitimate awards caliber cinema. I mean it affected the oscars, its the reason the academy expanded best film nomination from 5 to 10 the year after tdk came out.

 

[Iceman]

Haters just have to face reality: superheroes OWN summer and will do so for the foreseeable future. TA is just setting up the money pile that TASM and TDKR is going to inflate in a couple of months.

Also the Avengers has guaranteed (the guarantee coming from the critic proof overseas market) at least one more (if not 10 t $1BN worldwide gross in about 3 years time.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

this movie does nothing to transcend the genre.

Thank god for that. Was really worried that no one would try to make the best comic book movie possible instead of throwing up their hands and making a movie that tried to be something else.

The genre doesn't need transcending.

I still don't understand why Fox wants to hold on to the FF rights, even though the previous two FF movies were crap and were disappointing both critically and financially. I guess they just don't want to give them up and would rather risk another tens of million dollars for another go rather than letting Marvel have the rights back.

As was mentioned, it's possible they could see what Whedon did (according to accounts) and think "What if we make a good one?". But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

it's like when people claim TDK 'transcends' the genre but are quick to lump it back in with the genre when they want to compare it with other superhero movies. that pretty much defeats the object of transcending the genre.

I want a movie to EMBRACE the genre, I grew up reading about larger than life characters in cheesy settings beating the **** out of each other and that is exactly what I want to see on the big screen.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

"They always talk about transcending the genre and I don't believe in transcending the genre. I believe in the genre." - Joss Whedon (about fantasy and science fiction)

 

[JeetKuneDo]

"They always talk about transcending the genre and I don't believe in transcending the genre. I believe in the genre." - Joss Whedon (about fantasy and science fiction)

 

[Raiden]

"They always talk about transcending the genre and I don't believe in transcending the genre. I believe in the genre." - Joss Whedon (about fantasy and science fiction)

Sig worthy!

 

[Gamma Burst]

So, the new excuse of the nolanites to counter Avengers tremendous success is that it doesn't ''transcend'' the genre...