THE BATMOBILE THREAD

Discussion in 'The Batman' started by TheIronist, Feb 22, 2019.

  1. antsman41 Belongs To Prince

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    It's sort of funny, the Tumbler is essentially the perfect Batmobile for live action... and I honestly don't see anyone topping that (we saw them fail with replication ala the Snyder-mobile) unless they throw realism out the window and go crazy futuristic-sexy style ala '89/BTAS and numerous cars from the comics.

    The Tumbler was perfectly badass/tough as well as being sleek/sexy but not to the cost of practicality. Outside of the front tires being exposed, it was the essentially the best vehicle someone could design in a more elegant/faster need in the real world war, let alone Batman.
     
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  2. B [insert witty comment]

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    The Snyder-Mobile wasn't a failure, it was a lot better than the Tumbler IMO.

    Not to say I didn't like the Tumbler at all because I did, but it was just too tank like, Snyder's kept some of the qualities of the Tumbler but was a lot sleeker & closer to an actual car.

    In real life there are some military grade vehicles that can do still do upwards of 60mph after the tires have been shot out, front tires being exposed is pretty irrelevant for the most part even if you're trying to factor in realism.
     
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  3. AndrewGilkison Registered

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    If I want to see a "realistic" Batmobile I will just pop Batman Begins into my blu-ray player again and watch it. I don't want the Batman movie franchise stuck in the Nolan mindset because that means we'd be getting the same thing over and over again.

    I put "realistic" in quotes, of course. Because none of this **** is actually realistic. Batman Begins was supposed to be a "realistic" Batman but we still had glorious bull**** like Batman running over police cars with his tank and none of the officers got killed ("Damn good television"), which was a total cheat. We get those same kind of stunts in the Fast & Furious movies anyway, and no one drives a tank in those movies (or a Batmobile for that matter) so why is it necessary for Batman to do it in order to be "realistic" (as if that is something we really need to begin with)? James Bond does cool **** with his cars too and none of the cars he drives in his movies has a tank like design on it. Why do we need it for Batman?
     
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  4. antsman41 Belongs To Prince

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    Ehh, even on a design level... Snyder's was the uglier Tumbler. I very much disliked the front-middle section. It makes it look like the bill of a duck... plus the wheels seemed weirdly big for the body, while the Tumbler's rear quad-wheels fit perfectly with the more rectangle/boxy ass that it had. Snyder's essentially was the BR Ski-Boat with wheels and odd General Grievous-style plating. Especially those off flat wings on the top rear.
     
  5. Razgriz-Specter Registered

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    Something like that is my personal hope.
    has the sleek shapes of a BTAS and 89 batmobile but that "realistic" heavy duty feeling to it.
     
  6. rockandrollsoul Registered

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    Agree to disagree. Personally, I love the Snyder-mobile and, while I can appreciate it for what it is, I am not a fan of the Tumbler aesthetic.
     
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  7. B [insert witty comment]

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    Strongly disagree, I can appreciate the Tumbler for what it is, but design wise it's not great looking & it doesn't actually look like a Batmobile, it literally looks like some sort of specialised military vehicle... which is what it's actually billed as in the Nolan trilogy.

    Snyder's Batmobile actually looks like & has characteristics of a classic Batmobile, a functional one at that.
     
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  8. Rocanrol Psiconautiq

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    Snydermobile ftw
     
  9. Mani-Man Registered

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    Exactly, thats my mindset too.
    I can watch a dozen of other movies if i want to see "Grounded/more realistic" action etc...comic book movies imo should embrace the limitless possibilitys they could use.
    You dont need to stick with the same easy going lighthearted superhero...even if its superman or so.
    Even Superman can be darker or serious but still be about a superhuman alien dressed in blue and red.
    I dont see the reason for a "realistic" batmobile or a suit that the actor in real life can turn his head with...that not the foundation to build up a comic book movie imo.
    But everybody has his own idea on that, i just dont like this relying on this "grounded" and "realistic" approach.

    As for the Tumbler...eh i find it was too much.
    Snyders batmobile imo is the right mix.
    The Tumbler just looks like it causes "collateral damage" to an unnecessary amount mainly due his size alone.
    Batman should want to protect and help the city become the best it possible can...not cause millions of dollar in damage just when he drives through the city. XD
     
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    Snyder's batmobile didn't stop Snyder's batman from being the lord of collateral damage though.
     
  11. Mani-Man Registered

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    Because snyder loves to crush things.
    But the thing isnt a driving Tank that wrecks the whole City just by driving through the street.
     
  12. Hunter Rider Ronin

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    I love Nolan's Batman movies but his frivolous use of words like "grounded" has seeped into the mindset of fans to the point where we are talking about ground clearence and practicality for the Batmobile, something that is the definition of imagination. I mean if you want realistic then the cape has to go, no one who regularly engages in hand to hand combat would realistically wear a cape, and realistically anyone who goes into the situations Batman puts himself in would definitely be packing.........and then you start down the road of it no longer being Batman in the name of "realism." which is not wat I think Nolan intended, fans have just taken his concept too literally.

    Right now they are shootying a car chase for the new Bond film featuring an Aston Martin DB5, a car from the 60's, going up against modern day cars, I doubt anyone sitting in the cinema next April will be worrying about it not being realistic, and the same should go for the Batmobile, truth is there are several modern cars with radical designs that could pass for Batmobiles.



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    This one is really cool and looks like you could use some trick suspension with it.


    The Bugatti La Voiture Noire! :drl: My Dad saw this on a video I was watching the other night and remarked "It looks like a Batman car!" His nerd vocabulary is not up to scratch. :funny:
     
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    There's any number of supercar and hypercar silhouettes which would conceivably work as a Batmobile, with a few amendements and additions - not to mention, painted in black.

    I get the argument that sometimes we have to let go of realism; that a cape isn't a practical thing for a superhero to actually have, so why not drop it if we're going down the realism route? But I see the Batmobile as a very different proposition. Fight scenes and so on can be shot without a cape and it can be added in post production nowadays with CGi.

    But unless a Batmobile is filmed entirely using visual effects, it's going to be incredibly impractical looking onscreen (not to mention impractical in terms of actual live stunt work) for it to have the ground clearance of a typical supercar or hypercar. I'm not talking about extremes like scaling rough terrain or clambering over rooftops like the Tumbler did. I'm talking about even basic, fundamental scenes like driving down an average off ramp from a parking lot, which a Lamborghini or Ferrari struggle with unless driven at a slow pace and at certain angles. For the type of driving Batman will be engaged in, the car needs ground clearance - and when you elevate a supercar or hypercar's suspension to allow ground clearance, it looks ridiculous. When it has a military connotation however, it doesn't look ridiculous.

    Now with that said, if the vehicle's suspension was adjustable mid-drive - that could change things completely. It could be raised by Batman when needed, and lowered for higher speeds on smooth surface.

    As I mentioned in an earlier post, I also think this next vehicle should be fully electric, for a multitude of reasons.
     
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  14. B [insert witty comment]

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    In the pure scope of realism, even the Tumbler or Snyder-Mobile wouldn't be realistic or practical either. Both of them are insanely wide so basically to beat either Bale or Affleck's Batman in a car chase a narrow street or ally would lose him. Not to mention the pair of them probably handle like a bus & realisticly those things probably would have a relatively low top speed overall as in 100mph or less..

    I'd be fine with them going with a more sporty version of Batmobile along the same lines of the shameless car porn you've posted :D, however I'd like the panels & whatnot to not have such a fancy paintjob, matte black or even have a similar functional aesthetic to the Snyder mobile basically to give the illusion that it's not a fragile hypercar.
     
  15. Blind Bat Bat out of Hell's Kitchen

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    What I don't understand is why we have to have a binary choice on this? Like it has to be hyper-realist or hyper-fantastical. It's the same type of thing when talking about the Batsuit. Why can't we do both? Why can't we have a Batsuit and Batmobile that look cool af but still look semi-practical (in a comic book kind of way)? If the Arkham series can do it why not the films?

    Now on that note I do want something that leans more into the 1989 Burtonmobile style, but I do still want it to look heavy duty. Along with my Batsuit idea, if we got something like this I would be ecstatic.
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  16. Marvel united Omega level Mutant

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    The Fast & Furious films employ sports cars and they pull off wayyy crazier stunts and action scenes than we've ever seen with the Batmobile on film. And nobody in the audience cares if it's "realistic" or not, that's what suspension of disbelief is for.

    I'm tired of the realism argument being applied to and used as a crutch on Batman. Any number of those sports cars Hunter Rider posted would be a great template for the Batmobile. That's what I hope Reeves goes for, something sleek as opposed to another Tank on wheels because "realism"
     
  17. Invader Joker Registered

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    This. Use more imagination, people.
     
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    Why do we need to "incorporate both"? Didn't the SnyderMobile try to do that already? Because it pretty much looked like a cross between the Tumbler and the 89 Batmobile. Both things we've already seen before. That doesn't really give us anything new or fresh.
     
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    The Snydermobile didn't look anything like Arkham Asylum's Batmobile, which is what we keep proposing
     
  20. Marvel united Omega level Mutant

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    Both of them have tank-like attributes. I'm tired of hulking Batmobiles. Really hope Reeves goes for something different
     
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    Some of you are conflating realism with verisimilitude. There's a difference.
     
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    I love the Tumbler, I also love variety. And we already got the Tumbler.

    Let's get sportsy.

    Let's get sleek.

    Let's get long.
     
  23. Hunter Rider Ronin

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    I think there are a few things to factor in, for instance here you set your chase sequence, then the fact on these movies when they have a special car they only use the real one for selected shots and it's known as the hero car, the rest are often bodykits bolted onto cheaper cars with good chassis for the actual stunt driving, then it's down to shot selection and the editing room to sustain the illusion.

    Most Supercars and Hypercars have a lift mode these days to raise the car up to go over bumps, but I'm not sure at what speeds it can be activated.



    However the technology is there and in the case of Batman you can simply say he's advanced the tech to activate it at high speeds and you use your editing to make that work. The design below that BobJM posted looks like it could believeably have some trick suspension, like have you seen the motorbikes in Hobbs & Shaw? I was thinking something like that with this car.

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    As far as it being electric, Tony Stark drove the Audi e-tron GT in Endgame and like hm Bruce is always on the cutting edge of technology development, but I can see the counter argument of the lack of engine noise would dilute a chase sequence. Maybe a hybrid could be the way to go, so Batman can go into stealth mode just using the electric motor and then the engine kicks in as the chase starts/continues and of course the electric capacity combining will give incredible acceleration.


    Fair points, there are the odd big vehicles that handle pretty well, like the Lamborghini Urus, but it's in context of what it is, the Snyder Batmobile looked at least like it would go fast, the Tumbler's strength was acting like a monster truck.

    Just some visual aids! :funny: I agree that the paint job needs to be all black, I was really just showing examples of some of the radical designs out there, like the Aston Martin Valkyrie, that could serve as a starting point more than as something to use as is. The concept below as anm intereesting mix of styles IMO.


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  24. Gamma Goliath Engine of Destruction

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    I still love this as the base design for a batmobile. It would be down right spooky to see this thing in a bat motif.
     
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