BvS The Batsuit Thread - - Part 15

[Lencho01]

I hear there is a new combo move in the game that allows Batman to break out into song. Its pretty rad.

Better have Music Meister up in there.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Is this too much to ask for the movie?

It's not enough.

 

[Wise]

The great thing about Arkham games is if you don't like the suit, then just use one of the many skins. I didn't like playing the sidequests in the tattered ripped up main quest suit in Arkham City so after the main story I switched to the Earth one suit.

I wish there was a way to get a fresh batsuit after the main story.

 

[Nathan]

I see people are already talking about the new Arkham suit. I really don't like it. Like I said in the Arkham Thread, he's now a low tech Iron Man. I really disliked how the armor shifted onto his body.

 

[TheBat812]

Is this too much to ask for the movie?

Very cool art. I would love to see somebody pull this off in live action, but I have a hard time imagining being able to take it seriously even as a fan of batman. Here's hoping Snyder is able to do that exact thing and bring to life the suit from the page in a believable and utterly badass way.

 

[Shikamaru]

How can it be 'long established' when MANY disagree, including pretty much every person in charge of the non-comic mediums has chosen to go with armor because it fit their story as well as their aesthetic preference...?

You can disagree all you want, but I haven't seen any logical argument for the armored look so far. It doesn't change the fact that your (and everyone else's) reasons are, in my honest opinion, invalid. I believe my points still stand due to that.

As for the person in charge of the non-comic mediums, it depends on who you're referring to.

It kinda made sense for Burton and Schumacher in the 1980's/90's when information wasn't at the tip of everyone's fingers and CBM's were more risky. Plus I can buy that universe overall having completely different rules from our realm since they kinda play by that absurd style (especially visually). I still think they could have done a more comic book costume, but I can kinda understand their perspective as a product of the time.

When it comes to Nolan and his "realistic" take, the armored look made no sense and showed he clearly didn't do his research on the best materials for both protection and camouflage while still maintaining a light weight.

When it comes to Arkham Origins, the armor is there precisely because it doesn't make sense for Batman to wear it. That's the whole point. It's supposed to represent a younger less-experienced Batman. As his career progresses, he learns how to make a more efficient and durable suit that doesn't weight him down (the AA/AC suit). WB Montreal themselves have stated this in their interviews.

As for Arkham Knight, I'd like to exclude it for now because it isn't out yet. We don't know anything about the context and for why Batman all-of-a-sudden starts wearing something more armored. But we do know that he starts out with the AA/AC suit and gets that suit later in the game. It could be due to a number of reasons. Maybe it protects him from Scarecrow's fear gas, maybe it upgrades his body physically (reports say Batman will be stronger than ever), and the list goes on. There could be tons of reasons.

 

[Lily Adler]

I really think they overdid it with the Arkham Knight suit.

 

[DeadPresident]

Oh my God...this **** again.

 

[Lily Adler]

Don't censor me!

 

[Leevor]

It seems to me like regwec just has a low opinion of games in general. I don't like the new suit any more than you do, but I'd encourage you to open your mind a bit. They're not as immature or mindless as people might think. Just as much thought and art gets put into them, at least the good ones, as any other form of storytelling.

 

[Nathan]

I will accept the suit, if it's a precursor to the Beyond suit. Like in Origins, where he started out with a bulky suit and then slimmed down in AA/AC, Batman could start out with a bulky exoskeleton that enhances his strength, and later he slims the tech down enough, until we get the classic Batman Beyond suit.

 

[regwec]

It seems to me like regwec just has a low opinion of games in general. I don't like the new suit any more than you do, but I'd encourage you to open your mind a bit. They're not as immature or mindless as people might think. Just as much thought and art gets put into them, at least the good ones, as any other form of storytelling.

I'm sure they're great, but I can't really accommodate another time-wasting obsession.

 

[TheBat812]

You can disagree all you want, but I haven't seen any logical argument for the armored look so far. It doesn't change the fact that your (and everyone else's) reasons are, in my honest opinion, invalid. I believe my points still stand due to that.

As for the person in charge of the non-comic mediums, it depends on who you're referring to.

It kinda made sense for Burton and Schumacher in the 1980's/90's when information wasn't at the tip of everyone's fingers and CBM's were more risky. Plus I can buy that universe overall having completely different rules from our realm since they kinda play by that absurd style (especially visually). I still think they could have done a more comic book costume, but I can kinda understand their perspective as a product of the time.

When it comes to Nolan and his "realistic" take, the armored look made no sense and showed he clearly didn't do his research on the best materials for both protection and camouflage while still maintaining a light weight.

When it comes to Arkham Origins, the armor is there precisely because it doesn't make sense for Batman to wear it. That's the whole point. It's supposed to represent a younger less-experienced Batman. As his career progresses, he learns how to make a more efficient and durable suit that doesn't weight him down (the AA/AC suit). WB Montreal themselves have stated this in their interviews.

As for Arkham Knight, I'd like to exclude it for now because it isn't out yet. We don't know anything about the context and for why Batman all-of-a-sudden starts wearing something more armored. But we do know that he starts out with the AA/AC suit and gets that suit later in the game. It could be due to a number of reasons. Maybe it protects him from Scarecrow's fear gas, maybe it upgrades his body physically (reports say Batman will be stronger than ever), and the list goes on. There could be tons of reasons.

Yet art is about the perception of the audience - he wanted Bruce to feel human, as if the armor was necessary to be the batman. He didn't think people would believe in his mortality without it. Nolan want his films to BE realistic, but rather have it FEEL relatable and believable.

I've seen all the research about cloth based armor, and yes, I see the arguments for it and still would love to see it pulled off. But none of that discounts the fact that more hard bodied armor wouldn't have its advantages either. That recent video that's been making it's way around shows just how mobile a hard bodied suit could be, and notice they also went with hard bodied armor not cloth based despite it being a high budget project that likely tried more fabric based cloth in their testing.


But most importantly it comes down to purpose of story and how they want him to come across to the audience. I'm sure theres a place for a sweet cloth based suit, but we haven't seen it yet. Nor would it's success render physical hard armor a moot point - it would be because it fits the particular purposes of the piece.

 

[TheBat812]

I'm sure they're great, but I can't really accommodate another time-wasting obsession.

Haha, it's definitely time consuming. But the stories and storytelling are getting incredible and take advantage of the medium in a way that those stories are best told through the interactive experience and wouldn't be as strong in another medium. Hell, two of my favorite stories of the year were video game stories - bioshock infinite and last of us.

 

[Leevor]

I'm sure they're great, but I can't really accommodate another time-wasting obsession.

Wasn't suggesting you should start playing them, and certainly not to time-wasting obsession levels, just saying there's a lot of gold to be found. Interactive storytelling is a form of media some artists and writers are really running with.

Anyway, the new suit also makes sense thematically, maybe? This is supposed to be the climax of the Arkham story, Batman at the best he could be. In Kingdom Come, where the classic heroes were, power-wise, godlike exaggerated versions of themselves, they put Batman in a robot suit. Maybe using technology to augment his own body is just the logical endpoint for a man who relies on gadgets and intellect.

 

[Fallen Angel]

Is this too much to ask for the movie?

Now that would look awesome if they went this way for the film.

 

[Mindreaper21]

Is this too much to ask for the movie?

I love Batman, but I just don't want this suit in live action.

 

[John-An]

Costume designer tweet...

 

[B:TAS]

Just my 2 cents, I actually really love the new Arkham suit

 

[Lando81]

Can someone explain how the Batmech above is "badass", but this is "hideous" or whatever:

HAHAHAHAHAHA You're not serious right? I'd assume that you, as an (I assume) adult human being, would be able to compare the two and parse that information yourself.

 

[ThePhantasm]

They aren't that different. Same type of aesthetic.

 

[B:TAS]

They aren't that different. Same type of aesthetic.

They are pretty freakin different

 

[Lily Adler]

Not really.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

They are pretty freakin different

 

[ThePhantasm]

They are pretty freakin different

Oh my gosh, when you say the exact opposite of what I say it is soooooo persuasive.