BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 17

[John-An]

The problem with the sleek gray classic design from the comics is that much of the movie audience may look at that and wonder why a human is wearing what is basically a thicker Underarmor shirt. Superman can get away with a totally unarmored suit because the audience knows he's an alien. But the dilemma is that MOS established the world as being basically our world, and in our world, humans need protection from harm. Not giving Batman even a decent amount of either armor (whether it's above or below the fabric of the suit) will leave a good deal of the audience rolling their eyes. The fans of comics would obviously love to see a classic suit, but these huge movies aren't generally made for that audience. They're adaptations that have to appeal to a much, much wider audience.

It doesn't need to be an armor. It could be an special clothing very protective not seeming like a shirt but something more thicker but that seems to be tights.
If its an armor I'd say the only thing factual here is slender armor under his suit. no need for a bulky armor. IMO we need a fast, agile batman.

 

[John-An]

Uh, then why keep the trunks in the first place...?

I don't know maybe they'll find a way to make Batman look different as Superman and to make trunks work. And also they can take them out and I'd be happy too. You see my point?

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I love how bothered people are by the idea of trunks.
I don't really couldn't care less if they're used or not,but I'd be lying if I said that the emotional distress that they would cause some people wouldn't bring me great joy.

 

[InJustice]

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but what I was trying to allude to was the texture and flexibility of the owlman costume, along with its incorporation of the trunks ( which, if they were to have the briefs, weren't as noticeable because of the fit and its seamless integration with the rest of the pant area). I was not implying that they copy the costume, only that they apply the small details what made the costume so appealing even when separated from the context of the material. If they truly want to add briefs and keep a "classic" batman aesthetic, I don't think owlman is a bad place to start. I am not sure why certain design cues would feel so entirely out of place.

Even then, you can't really use Nite Owl as a basis for assuming that they'll be using the same materials for Batman's suit. After all, it's been 5 years since Watchmen was released, and Snyder probably has a greater sense of costuming since then. Furthermore, if you look closely at Nite Owl's movements in Watchmen, he still suffers from the "stiff cowl" syndrome, and his fighting movement was limited to an extent. Don't get me wrong, it's an improvement over Nolan's suits, but it's because of these things that I hope Snyder uses more fabric for Batman since it'll provide flexibility and comfort for the actor. Hell, I hope he uses something different since I'm getting sick of Batman getting rubber suits, and having ****** action scenes because of it.

 

[Wise]

I'm not overly fussed on long or short ears... but I do think the Keaton ears were the perfect length.

Bob Kane had a pretty radical dress sense.

 

[Pre 52 Batman]

I like how you chose images where the trunks are almost completely obscure to make your point about how they look good

Yes, the Jim Lee suit is perfection. But what people don't realize is that there is nothing special about it. It's just a grey bodysuit with black gauntlets, boots, etc. Just like about 90% of all Batsuits in the comics.

What makes Lee's Batman so visually impressive is the greek god-like musculature and the skill of the artist.

Well, I don't think it is just that. For instance, his cape and cowl are a shade of blue, not black. Secondly, the cowl is, imo, the best cowl ever seen. Although I love the suit, I am somewhat glad they probably won't use it because, if this turned out to be bad or unlike the comics (something I highly doubt will happen, but it can happen), then I don't want it associated with my favorite comic.

(Rant incoming)

Now, it is totally obvious that we will get a Batman that is nowhere near as bulky. I think this stinks...I just don't find it believable for him to be fighting off bane or croc (Batman is known for being able to adapt to anyone...smart, strong, and skilled.) while being smaller than bodybuilders that have lifted for less than 4 years. Sure, Ben and Henry might be big to the general population, but they are going to be average to any weightlifters (unless their goal is to gain strength while limiting muscle growth, then I would be ok with it onscreen). Henry, in the context of being Superman, doesn't need to be bigger than he already is because he is an alien that is 100 times (if not more) stronger than humans. Ben, however, will be playing a human. IF a human want to become peak strength (or even normal weightlifting strong), they need to have some (if not a lot) of muscle.

Now, why am I ranting about this? Because I think it is silly to have Batman larger than Superman, but because Superman isn't "huge" (in a bodybuilding or weightlifter context) I don't know how they will get any body-fitting costume right. For instance, tall people have long limbs (I have noticed that most tall people have longer arms than the usual ratio. My arms are 6'8" and I am 6'4", while most shorter people have their wingspan and height much closer.), so to have the appearance of being filled out they are going to have to compensate a lot more mass in the arms (Cavil has short arms, so this wasn't a problem). But he can't have a larger physique than SUPERMAN, for obvious reasons.

So, what do you propose should be done? This has been bugging me for months, and now that shooting is beginning so soon, I am starting to worry that he isn't even going to look like he lifts at all.

/rant.


Edit: How do you set up a picture? Can't figure out how to do it.

 

[The Riddler]

i hope for a sleeker suit and short ears. basically jim lee's but with a few (not many) techy frills.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

The Batman Returns suit is the best movie cowl so far.

I concur!

 

[SuperWig]

Don't want to repost this if it was already posted, but did anyone read Jennifer Garner's quote about Ben's suit? She said something about the cape taking too much room in their closet?

 

[keith_v]

It doesn't need to be an armor. It could be an special clothing very protective not seeming like a shirt but something more thicker but that seems to be tights.
If its an armor I'd say the only thing factual here is slender armor under his suit. no need for a bulky armor. IMO we need a fast, agile batman.

I agree, but he challenge will be to depict a protective clothing that, to the average viewer not familiar with the comics (which there will be many), looks like it can withstand a solid hit or small caliber bullet.

 

[The Man of HEEL]

Don't want to repost this if it was already posted, but did anyone read Jennifer Garner's quote about Ben's suit? She said something about the cape taking too much room in their closet?

Yeah, I think she's moreso talking about ego that comes with the batsuit rather than the physical size of it.

 

[Bathead]

I agree, but he challenge will be to depict a protective clothing that, to the average viewer not familiar with the comics (which there will be many), looks like it can withstand a solid hit or small caliber bullet.

It shouldn't be a problem with a short explanation of his bulletproof fabric (ten seconds or so) and a quick demo of Batman being shot at with no harm. It doesn't have to look like armor, especially not heavy armor plate, it just has to be a more substantial looking fabric, such as the body suit on the Arkham Asylum and City costume.

 

[Mr. Finger]

Now, it is totally obvious that we will get a Batman that is nowhere near as bulky. I think this stinks...I just don't find it believable for him to be fighting off bane or croc (Batman is known for being able to adapt to anyone...smart, strong, and skilled.) while being smaller than bodybuilders that have lifted for less than 4 years. Sure, Ben and Henry might be big to the general population, but they are going to be average to any weightlifters (unless their goal is to gain strength while limiting muscle growth, then I would be ok with it onscreen). Henry, in the context of being Superman, doesn't need to be bigger than he already is because he is an alien that is 100 times (if not more) stronger than humans. Ben, however, will be playing a human. IF a human want to become peak strength (or even normal weightlifting strong), they need to have some (if not a lot) of muscle.


So, what do you propose should be done? This has been bugging me for months, and now that shooting is beginning so soon, I am starting to worry..

Well, considering that we have yet to see Ben in the suit? We do not know that we will NOT see a bulkier Batman.
I am one that thinks it is ok to have Batman built up more than his natural appearance when seen as Bruce Wayne in his nice suit and tie. I think back to Keaton, who looked frail in his tux and suits.. But I didn't mind his transformation once in the bat-suit.
I liked the way he looked.

These days? I get that the body underneath carries more importance.. And we want to see that sculpted anatomy to show the muscles, the training, and the strength. But that said, perhaps , since we are getting to an older Bruce this time around? To me? Ben doesn't look that far off.. He still has an imposing physic.

Let us imagine, for a moment, that like Keaton in days past.. The new Bat-Suit was created with a similar mentality? Imagine Ben's physic and stature surround by a well defined muscle suit.. Wrap some slightly textured dark grey fabric around that.. A big ass black bat on his chest.. And voila..

I like the Batman to look fit, but not too big myself. I prefer the agility and muscle tone over the huge body builder type of look. I think that it is very possible to take Ben's frame and dress it up a bit with some padding in all of the right places. He may end up being the most comic book accurate, imposing Batman that we have yet to see?

and hopefully, we get a nice cowl that allows the head to turn without the neck buckling, or the chest needing to turn as well.
Black and Grey.. Short ears.. A suit that contains some badass muscle definition.. I still have hope.. Won't be long now I hope.
I look forward to seeing it..

 

[Bathead]

I love how bothered people are by the idea of trunks.
I don't really couldn't care less if they're used or not,but I'd be lying if I said that the emotional distress that they would cause some people wouldn't bring me great joy.

I agree to an extent. If they can make a more traditional style suit look good without trunks, as they did with the MOS suit, I'll be happy, probably a lot happier than those who want rid of the trunks would be if they made the suit with the trunks and made it work.

 

[lujho]

It shouldn't be a problem with a short explanation of his bulletproof fabric (ten seconds or so) and a quick demo of Batman being shot at with no harm. It doesn't have to look like armor, especially not heavy armor plate, it just has to be a more substantial looking fabric, such as the body suit on the Arkham Asylum and City costume.

Batman being shot shouldn't leave him unharmed. Like real armour, it should be like being hit in the chest with a baseball bat or worse, AND should leave the armour (or at least the part of it that was shot) damaged and needing to be replaced. Batman getting shot should be a big deal, and I don't want to see him strolling through a firefight with bullets bouncing off him left and right.

 

[lujho]

I like the Batman to look fit, but not too big myself. I prefer the agility and muscle tone over the huge body builder type of look.

I can't believe some people seem to think Batman should look like a Mr Universe contestant. He's not a bodybuilder. He's a fighter.

 

[Bathead]

Batman being shot shouldn't leave him unharmed. Like real armour, it should be like being hit in the chest with a baseball bat or worse, AND should leave the armour (or at least the part of it that was shot) damaged and needing to be replaced. Batman getting shot should be a big deal, and I don't want to see him strolling through a firefight with bullets bouncing off him left and right.

I'm not saying that. With current bulletproof fabric armors, the most one will get from a direct shot is various degrees of bruising with a minor amount of tissue damage. Ideally, Batman will depend on his speed, stealth and agility (which fabric armor would allow) to avoid being shot in the first place, and the fabric armor being a "just in case".
I am not advocating he be as bulletproof as Superman, just hard to hit, with fabric armor in a supportive role.

 

[The Man of HEEL]

You can add faux muscle to a guy without making it look cheesy. I mean, they faked Arnolds physique in Terminator 3, and he wasn't wearing anything at all in that scene. That was 11 years ago!

 

[regwec]

I find the endless "muscle" debate so dull. I'm sure there are plenty of places where you can look at very muscular people being muscular. It is not the most interesting thing about comicbook mythologies, however, and I really don't think it should be such a dominant concern for costume designers.

 

[DarkKnight]

I find the endless "muscle" debate so dull. I'm sure there are plenty of places where you can look at very muscular people being muscular. It is not the most interesting thing about comicbook mythologies, however, and I really don't think it should be such a dominant concern for costume designers.

Regwec, I meant to tell you this before, but due to your avi, I read every one of your posts in the Ra's Al Ghul voice from BTAS. LOL

 

[Pre 52 Batman]

If batman isn't incredibly strong I will have to say bye bye.

P.S. If you are wondering how big I want batman, it is about this size.

It is big (not comic size obviously) but it is a good compromise for strong and fast (Not that comic batman isn't strong or fast, however.).

 

[Pre 52 Batman]

Regwec, I meant to tell you this before, but due to your avi, I read every one of your posts in the Ra's Al Ghul voice from BTAS. LOL

lolololololololol same here. t:

 

[regwec]

If batman isn't incredibly strong I will have to say bye bye.

Unless you are suggesting that Batman should be as freakishly strong as Croc, then it is moot, because he will always be out-muscled. He survives and thrives by speed, skill, quick-thinking and sometimes gadgetry.

Strong and fit though Batman is, he isn't a metahuman with "super strength".

 

[Blackbat]

So we are going into mid May soon. The shooting should start soon and there is no batsuit reveal yet. what WB is doing?

 

[The Man of HEEL]

So we are going into mid May soon. The shooting should start soon and there is no batsuit reveal yet. what WB is doing?

Sitting on a mountain of cash, laughing at our misery?