BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 17

[Infinity9999x]

I agree with this statement 30 years ago, when the movies weren't set in the real world. These days we get told my actors, directors, writers etc. that the movies today are set in a real world, so, with that comes real world questions.

Exactly, the real world like the Nolan Bat films. Where there are secret Ninja societies that destroy cities, or where a man can fall 50plus feet onto a car and not break anything, where a guy can get half his face burned off and somehow still be alive AND move his eye and mouth despite the fact that the muscles required to do so are gone, where a guy can DRESS UP AS A FRIGGIN BAT, and fight crime every night and not get killed after a week.

Totally realistic.

 

[Mr. Finger]

That's actually the (in-story) point of the oval. To direct a criminal's eyes to his chest, causing them to aim there. Batman has armour and protection there (again, in-story), so he'd rather have a criminal aim for his chest than a vulnerable spot like his face.

Well, to be honest.. Ever since they put the darn oval on the chest back in '63, people have been trying to justify why it is there...
Frank Miller poked fun at it.. And people bought the idea of target fixation in the criminal's minds..

Truth? Back in '63, Batman comics were not doing well at all. Bob Cane was farming it all out and just taking credit for most of it anyway.

The yellow oval was for marketing purposes.. An easy way to print out a black bat with some contrast, and start advertising the symbol.. the book, and hope that sales went up.
Then came the T.V. Show..
The marketing idea works, and was proven to work really well back in '88 when Burton's movie was beginning their hype.

Would I like to see Neal Adam's drawings come to life? Yep..
Do I think that it is a bit silly to have a yellow oval on the chest of what I referred to as a kid, "A scary Ninja"? Yep..

I think that the Neal Adams look would be fantastic in an entire movie made with a fantasy element left in. The more "real" it gets? The more I tend to prefer wanting to see Mazzucchelli's design from "Year One"..

Snyder has already shown a preference to the desaturated, dramatic tone of "real"... So my adult mind thinks that the "Year One" style of black and grey should finally be used.

But the kid in me? I look at the trailers for the newer video games by Blurr Studios (I think it's their work?) , and I think that a totally animated movie featuring Neal Adam's Batman suit vs. Neal Adam's man-bat would be pretty darn cool.. Transformations.. A bit gory.. And full of fantastical stuff the does not need to make sense or be explained.

I know that W.B. Would not want to have multiple "Batman's" being done at the same time and compete with each other, but I would love to see it done that way.

I could care less, really, about the rest of the Justice League... I just want to see as many "Batman" movies as possible. And I have had enough of the "real" rammed down my throat.. Like the old "Elseworld" stories.. Bust this thing wide open. Even a movie based in the '40's with gangsters, Tommy-Guns, and a Batsuit that looks like Kane's original artwork.. I would love that.

It may be a long time before I get to see another solo Batflick, and that disappoints me.
I would rather see D.C. not follow Marvels lead and feel forced to tie all of these characters together.
I do not need to see an invisible plane.. Some Green whomever.. I just want the Bat..
And like the comics..
I want one shots, not these three movies at a time that slows it all down and spends too much time on the "other characters"..
I want the Bat..
I want variety..

Oooops.. Sorry.. That turned in to a rant..

Snyder's "MOS" world would look better with a "Year One" type of suit..
Snyder's "300" world would look pretty cool with a Neal Adam's Suit..

That's what I think anyhow..

 

[Travesty]

I love Grant Morrison.

 

[lukebrodyg]

While I don't like this suit (I'm hoping for a non-armored look this time), I have to give kudos to the Arkham games for being what I consider the best visual representation of batman so far. In previous games, the suits have been good, but the eerie atmosphere, personality of Gotham, his fighting technique and just the imagery in general have been fantastic. I post pics from those games all the time because they're just pure batman. They're comicy, but not cheesy and I'd love if this movie took cues from the games in terms of imagery, Gotham and batman's fighting style.

Agreed. They capture the essence of
This character better than anything outside of a comic IMO. The good thing is...I bet Snyder is very familiar with these games!

Or at least I hope.

 

[Lencho01]

That's the point most people are trying to make. You don't need a reason for the bat-symbol whether it be yellow or black. It's there because it's there.

Saying he shouldn't have a yellow one because it sticks out is a stupid argument because if he's wearing one that can't be seen, what's the point?

Or him dressing up like a bat in general.

 

[MrsKent26]

Agreed. They capture the essence of
This character better than anything outside of a comic IMO. The good thing is...I bet Snyder is very familiar with these games!

Or at least I hope.

I hope so too. He doesn't even need to play them. He can just do a google image search and see how batmany everything looks. He should also look at some gifs of the fight scenes.

 

[regwec]

No. He's saying if he's trying to be stealthy he shouldn't have any totem at all. Because no one will see it.

Or him dressing up like a bat in general.

Thank you. Like the futility of Batman wearing armour in order to fight Superman, some people just can't grasp this.

 

[Lencho01]

Thank you. Like the futility of Batman wearing armour in order to fight Superman, some people just can't grasp this.

It's pretty much how I feel about all these comic characters and whenever people bring up the words "real" or "realistic" I roll my eyes. Sure, I can understand it in terms of the characters, their traits that make them who they are, and how they interact with each other. But why burden the story and make it so much more boring than what you fell in love with as a kid? Why want reality in all this when you're already living it. It's why I love Morrison's answer.

[YT]_8Q0bMuvBME[/YT]

So, all these things about blue versus black, trunks, white eyes, etc. are not that big of a deal whenever you're dealing with some dude who dresses up as a bat and pummels mentally disturbed people at night.

 

[RakuMon]

I actually think there are two ways you could pull off the black trunks looks on Batman that satisfies comic book accuracy and real world logic.

One way, would be to go the armored look, but have the plating be broken up around the groin area, which is kind of what the Arkham Origins suit does:

The other option would be that Batman wears tactical groin protection (like SWAT or soldiers wear).

You can see a bunch of variations of these kinds of crotch protectors that are used in the real world. It would make sense for Batman to wear this without worrying about the "superhero undies" look.

https://www.google.com/search?q=tac...www.code3tactical.com%2Friotgear.aspx;500;500

 

[bluerayer]

I think the same applies to the Bat-symbol here. Some things don't need an explanation. Like him wearing a Bat on his chest.

I like asking questions like these. It's fun. Doesnt make me an idiot.

 

[regwec]

Just realised that there were quite a few naughty words in that quote.

I smell an infractin'!

 

[X Knight]

I think the same applies to the Bat-symbol here. Some things don't need an explanation. Like him wearing a Bat on his chest.

Real crabs don't sing like Sebastian??!!

Well F***!!!

 

[shauner111]

I actually think Grant Morrison can be an idiot sometimes. He doesn't understand that there's 2 ways of doing things. If you're trying to tell a specific story then yes, why not ask all these questions that adults would ask? If it's in a comic book then i agree with him, i understand. But a movie is a different thing especially if everything is looking like planet earth and real cities with actual people.

In Burtons universe you dont need to question the logic. But that doesn't work for everything.

Grant Morrison: "its a made up story you idiot, nobody pumps the tires". Well aren't you the idiot Grant. I guess every single movie and tv show in existence, Breaking Bad, whatever, shouldn't have any logic to it or details or realistic anything because they're just made up stories too right? Fictional or not, somebody pumps the damn tires.

Questioning something is a part of having a brain.

 

[hafizbat]

I actually think Grant Morrison can be an idiot sometimes. He doesn't understand that there's 2 ways of doing things. If you're trying to tell a specific story then yes, why not ask all these questions that adults would ask? If it's in a comic book then i agree with him, i understand. But a movie is a different thing especially if everything is looking like planet earth and real cities with actual people.

In Burtons universe you dont need to question the logic. But that doesn't work for everything.

Grant Morrison: "its a made up story you idiot, nobody pumps the tires". Well aren't you the idiot Grant. I guess every single movie and tv show in existence, Breaking Bad, whatever, shouldn't have any logic to it or details or realistic anything because they're just made up stories too right? Fictional or not, somebody pumps the damn tires.

Questioning something is a part of having a brain.

I agree with the gist of this post. I think a middle-ground is the best way to approach it (as it is with most things).

Try to keep it at least somewhat believable, but don't let explaining everything hold you back from producing the best possible product. If Batman looks awesome landing on a car from a 50 ft drop without breaking his legs, let him.

 

[hafizbat]

Honestly this looks pretty great to me. It's got a Ghost in the Shell-esque look going on. It'd be a great way to keep with the modern armor take on the classic costume but differentiate it from the Nolan films.

I agree. Would just need to slim it down a tad bit, and make it a tiny bit less glossy.

Most people despise that suit buddy. I don't mind it, but I'm pretty sure that's not even close to what we're getting.

A few very vocal posters on SHH is not "most people". The vast, vast majority of people who will actually play Arkham Knight seem to love the suit.

While I don't like this suit (I'm hoping for a non-armored look this time), I have to give kudos to the Arkham games for being what I consider the best visual representation of batman so far. In previous games, the suits have been good, but the eerie atmosphere, personality of Gotham, his fighting technique and just the imagery in general have been fantastic. I post pics from those games all the time because they're just pure batman. They're comicy, but not cheesy and I'd love if this movie took cues from the games in terms of imagery, Gotham and batman's fighting style.

I agree 100% Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Travesty]

I agree with the gist of this post. I think a middle-ground is the best way to approach it (as it is with most things).

Try to keep it at least somewhat believable, but don't let explaining everything hold you back from producing the best possible product. If Batman looks awesome landing on a car from a 50 ft drop without breaking his legs, let him.

And that's exactly what Grant Morrison is saying, LOL

 

[InJustice]

I agree with the gist of this post. I think a middle-ground is the best way to approach it (as it is with most things).

Try to keep it at least somewhat believable, but don't let explaining everything hold you back from producing the best possible product. If Batman looks awesome landing on a car from a 50 ft drop without breaking his legs, let him.

The problem with this is that regardless of whether you take the middle ground, you will still have people complaining. Case in point, people still whine about how Bruce Wayne was able to return to Gotham in TDKR even though we already knew that he was trained to be stealthy and resourceful.

 

[shauner111]

I agree with the gist of this post. I think a middle-ground is the best way to approach it (as it is with most things).

Try to keep it at least somewhat believable, but don't let explaining everything hold you back from producing the best possible product. If Batman looks awesome landing on a car from a 50 ft drop without breaking his legs, let him.

I agree. But that's not what Grant Morrison usually says. He always says it like they shouldn't have to explain a single thing because it's a fake superhero story. And i call b.s on that.

 

[shauner111]

The problem with this is that regardless of whether you take the middle ground, you will still have people complaining. Case in point, people still whine about how Bruce Wayne was able to return to Gotham in TDKR even though we already knew that he was trained to be stealthy and resourceful.

There needs to be a middle ground yeah. Bruce getting back into Gotham is obvious and fine because he's the Batman and he's done **** like that before. Maybe for Punisher or Wolverine, it would make no sense at all if he suddenly popped back up in the city. But it's Bruce Wayne we're talking about here.

 

[InJustice]

And that's exactly what Grant Morrison is saying, LOL

Did you read Grant Morrison's quote?

He's basically implying that because it's fictional, people should take it for what it is with no questions asked, instead of building your story around a set of logic that works for the world that they're creating.

He's basically saying "Nobody pumps the tires....BECAUSE SHUT UP IT'S FICTION FOR GOD'S SAKES."

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Grant Morrison: "its a made up story you idiot, nobody pumps the tires". Well aren't you the idiot Grant. I guess every single movie and tv show in existence, Breaking Bad, whatever, shouldn't have any logic to it or details or realistic anything because they're just made up stories too right? Fictional or not, somebody pumps the damn tires.

You really managed to miss the point didn't you? He never said a story needs no internal logic or consistency. He's saying not everything needs to be explained.

Asking things like "How does Superman fly?" would be akin to asking why did Walt grow the goatee? When did he leave Holly at the Fire Station? Why did Walt choose to study chemistry? How do the dragons breathe fire in GoT? Why did the Dalek's choose a plunger in Doctor Who? Why does Superman look human? Why were there bats at Wayne Manor?

Some things just are the way they are and shouldn't be explained.

Questioning something is a part of having a brain.

But questioning without thought demonstrates stupidity.

 

[Travesty]

Did you read Grant Morrison's quote?

Oh, you mean that big quote by Grant Morrison? Yes, yes I did.

He's basically implying that because it's fictional, people should take it for what it is with no questions asked, instead of building your story around a set of logic that works for the world that they're creating.

You really managed to miss the point didn't you? He never said a story needs no internal logic or consistency. He's saying not everything needs to be explained.

Exactly.

 

[regwec]

There's no BS to it, really. Firstly, the Morrison is clearly talking about his own material, which is in a medium that allows him to be expansive, literary and surreal. Secondly, the g-spot of verisimilitude varies depending on the context that the storyteller communicates to his or her audience. It is not unlikely that Jack would meet a giant once he had climbed an enormous beanstalk. I would argue that the verisimilitude surrounding a masked bat-themed man who brings down the mob with his bare fists does not become less tranquil because we are not told how his costume came to be, or why it features a yellow-and-black symbol on its chest.

The first two Nolan films are great on their own terms but, since their "context" excludes the more surreal elements of the mythos, I think a different approach is required for a more expansive and less restrictive DC Universe. Perhaps an approach with a few more shakes from the Grant Morrison bottle.

 

[regwec]

But questioning without thought demonstrates stupidity.

I think it's immaturity rather than stupidity. It reminds me of an argument I had with my English literature teacher during my schooldays: we had to give our impressions on the poem "The Lady of Shalott". I said that it was a complete misrepresentation of Dark Age Britain, and that Tennyson's belief in a romantic, chivalric era was false and betrayed his ignorance. My teacher said I was missing the point. She was right.









Yep, I was a cool teenager.

 

[Travesty]

*Goes and looks up verisimilitude.