BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - Part 27

[Bathead]

...what exactly are you implying that none of this is real?

Heresy!!!

 

[BatFan1979]

I agree completely. I don't get it either. Both characters are fictional. You'd think Superman's powers are the universal laws of physics the way people talk.

I don't think people realize how ridiculous they sound when they say "In reality Superman would squash Batman in seconds, armor or not!".

Hello? This is not reality. This is fiction and both characters are subject to whatever your imagination can come up with. Superman can be depowered or handicapped, Batman can be given a infinite amount of things to even the fight, etc.

Stop limiting your imagination, people. None of this is real, so talking about how unrealistic it is for Batman to fight Superman is silly in the first place. I love TDKR because Miller actually had the nerve to make a story where Batman beats Superman. If he limited his imagination like so many people who claim Batman wouldn't last a second against Superman, we'd miss out on one of the most monumental Batman stories ever told.

 

[KillerWolf]

I agree completely. I don't get it either. Both characters are fictional. You'd think Superman's powers are the universal laws of physics the way people talk.

I don't think people realize how ridiculous they sound when they say "In reality Superman would squash Batman in seconds, armor or not!".

Hello? This is not reality. This is fiction and both characters are subject to whatever your imagination can come up with. Superman can be depowered or handicapped, Batman can be given a infinite amount of things to even the fight, etc.

Stop limiting your imagination, people. None of this is real, so talking about how unrealistic it is for Batman to fight Superman is silly in the first place. I love TDKR because Miller actually had the nerve to make a story where Batman beats Superman. If he limited his imagination like so many people who claim Batman wouldn't last a second against Superman, we'd miss out on one of the most monumental Batman stories ever told.

Oh, definitely.

I am just saying that they should make that armor be something more than it simply being bulky metallic plate. It could be some sort of exoskeleton armor that enhances Bats' strength for example. It should have clear, well-planned purpose and there should be a good reason for Batman to choose to wear it, aside from "this steel plate should be good enough protection against the alien, I'd like to see him penetrate this" and then being proven wrong (since, as we all know, Supes has no problem penetrating metal plates). I don't expect Bats to know much about Superman and his powers at that point, but he would still look rather stupid if that were the case.

My point being, I am not fan of the armor, but given that it is already in the movie I think that Bats should utilize it in a smart way and not just seem like a jock that grabbed his bulkiest armor because he's going in a fistfight with super strong man.

 

[MrsKent26]

MrsKent, remember, Batman is in Supermans world, not the other way around. We don't have any Nolanism imbedded in this universe that we know of. The realism is still being translated and balanced as we go along. We will know soon enough how this armored suit turns out. Who knows what Wayne Enterprise technology is capable of in this universe?

I'm aware of the circumstances. And by the way, thank you for being polite and not jumping to the "OMG! You're against something from this movie?! You must like EVERYTHING realistic! Damn Nolanite!" response, but I'm not talking about "Nolanism" being added. That's not my beef. I'm well aware that none of this is real. But I don't subscribe to the "all silly comic things are equal and awesome" ideal. And this is certainly not about me not wanting superman to get beat. I know he will get beat at some point. In fact, this is about batman and it's coming from the rather large portion of my psyche that is a batman fan.

To me, the robosuit looks stupid. The glimpse we got of it in that footage looked like a bulky and heavy metal concoction. It doesn't look easy to move in. Perhaps it has some powers that make it mobile, who knows? Either way, I wasn't a fan of the DKR fight and am disappointed in the idea that we might get that. Does it mean I hate all things fantasy and have a laundry list of rules I expect to be met? Nope. I just hoped for some more creativity. Not a recreation of a fight I'd seen elsewhere.

I had hoped to see batman looking like his creature of the night self and stalking superman through some well-planned scenario in which even he is surprised to be in. Batman has such great iconography to pull from that I think it's a shame to have him spend part of the movie looking like a tin can. If batman gets beefed up to exist in a superman's world, can he not just be an extraordinarily skilled and agile fighter who exploits superman's weaknesses both physically and emotionally? Or should he just put on a big ugly suit and go full Dark Knight Returns? I prefer the former.

After all, is that not part of his appeal? He's an extraordinary human taking on a titan and he doesn't need a metal suit to do that. To me, putting him in that robo-thing makes him less batman. They could have easily avoided giving him that suit by claiming it impractical and allowing him to use his brain and the element of surprise. It's simply a choice between two fantasies: Creature of the Night or DKR/Robo suit. Also, I'm aware that I could still get Creature Bats, but I had hoped to get that throughout the whole movie and in the fights.

We've had "practical" batman, and wacky batman already. This time, I was hoping for this:

Instead of a variation of this:

They're both fantasies, but one of them is much more batman than the other IMO.

 

[KillerWolf]

Everything about the post above -

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

I get where you're coming from Mrs. Kent . You'd like to see a 'Hush' Batman v Superman type of battle (although it's not was aggressive as the DKR battle).

In the end, we'll still get the robot suit for this fight both of which I am not too excited about. But the good thing is, it will be the last time we see the robo suit (hopefully) and the fight so I look forward to that.

 

[MrsKent26]

As far as I'm concerned it's like this:

Due to the extreme disparity of physical power, supes will have to be depowered either way (slightly less so with the suit). So, batman can either fight a depowered supes looking (and moving) like batman, creature of the night, or he can fight a depowered supes in what I think is an ugly, bulky suit. Why not go that extra bit and depower supes to the point that batman can fight him without the suit? The rules of Kryptonite (or whatever they use) are variable enough to allow for that.

Perhaps I'll still get what I want at some point, but I'm aware that I'll probably just have to accept the suit and hope that it grows on me after seeing the final product.

 

[Mrs. Wayne]

Yup, we can only hope they make it look good. It's Snyder so I think it'll look good.

 

[hafizbat]

Apparently Batman, a resourceful and practical man, putting on an exo-suit to battle the most powerful being on Earth means he has to give up his "creature of the night" pro card forever. Even if it's a part of his own history...

 

[Black Narcissus]

As far as I'm concerned it's like this:

Due to the extreme disparity of physical power, supes will have to be depowered either way (slightly less so with the suit). So, batman can either fight a depowered supes looking (and moving) like batman, creature of the night, or he can fight a depowered supes in what I think is an ugly, bulky suit. Why not go that extra bit and depower supes to the point that batman can fight him without the suit? The rules of Kryptonite (or whatever they use) are variable enough to allow for that.

Perhaps I'll still get what I want at some point, but I'm aware that I'll probably just have to accept the suit and hope that it grows on me after seeing the final product.

Eh, Superman is always holding back against Batman anyway. Don't worry. Having said that, batman will kick his boy scout ass back to krypton.

 

[regwec]

Can't remember the publication, but it is a speculative impression of the BvS suit. It's quite old.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Where's this picture from? Haven't seen it before. Anyone know?

Inspired by the pic. It isn't legit.

 

[The Slang]

Superman is strong enough to kill or cripple Batman with a single punch, whereas Batman doesn't even have the strength necessary to hurt Superman. Without the Bat armor, we can't even see them exchange blows. It would just be a matter of Batman avoiding Superman until he could lead him into some kind of trap that neutralizes his powers.

With the armor however, we can see superman throw batman through a wall and we can see batman knock superman to the ground.

 

[regwec]

Yeah, I would far prefer the first option.

 

[matt47]

Just watched TDKR BvS fight scene again. They really did a good job of showing how powerful Superman is even though he is really weak. Everytime he punched Batman you could see it hurt him. The only part I thought was a bit much was the construction site bit, the way Batman was swinging that wrecking ball around was bad.

I'm just curious if they are actually going to make Superman weak for the fight and of course, why they are fighting.

 

[The Slang]

Yeah, I would far prefer the first option.

With or without the armor, Batman's only hope is to lead Superman into a trap that neutralizes his powers. The armor just allows them to actually 'fight' before hand. In what sense is it a fight if they don't engage each other first.

 

[regwec]

Why does it have to be a "fight"?

Again, if Superman can lift an oil rig, he can crush any "armour" Batman wears like burnt paper. "Armour" would merely force Batman to look more awkward during the split second in which he is destroyed.

If Superman wants to genuinely harm Batman, then Batman will be dead in the blink of an eye. If he is "holding back", then "armour" would just require him to "hold back" an imperceptibly small amount less.

 

[The Slang]

I think that within the context of the story the armor will provide more protection than you're implying. If the armor were really as effective as burnt paper, then I'd agree that there's no point using it. The armor actually will offer some resistance against projectiles (like heat vision or thrown objects) and otherwise lethal impacts. It can also enable Batman to knock Superman around, like Faora did in MOS. The enhanced strength, along with Batman's superior martial arts skills will make him far more difficult to simply grab and overpower.

I guess it doesn't have to be a fight, but even if ultimately the armor is not enough to beat Superman, it still makes sense for bats to wear if it offers any protection or advantage that can buy him time.

 

[AnneFan]

It's been raised many times, but it could be interesting if they didn't use kryptonite, but the Krypton atmosphere angle from MoS. That way Superman would be depowered but not completely weakened and in pain. Any armour Batman had would really count for something, and even though Batman is going to be the better martial artist every day of the week, they could explore Superman's heroism against the odds. His quick thinking and improvisation. An interesting reverse of the dynamic where Batman is usually the one biding his time, looking to use tricks.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

It's been raised many times, but it could be interesting if they didn't use kryptonite, but the Krypton atmosphere angle from MoS. That way Superman would be depowered but not completely weakened and in pain. Any armour Batman had would really count for something, and even though Batman is going to be the better martial artist every day of the week, they could explore Superman's heroism against the odds. His quick thinking and improvisation. An interesting reverse of the dynamic where Batman is usually the one biding his time, looking to use tricks.

This is how I've always felt about the situation and why I never understood some Superman fans' uneasiness about it. Don't you want to see Superman actually in danger? Don't you want to see him overcome all odds despite being depowered?

 

[John-An]

The thing is that the kryptonian atmosphere make him a normal person, he was in pain before because he wasn't used to that enviroment, but then he adapted. If that happens (I'm not sure how they can possibly make that happening with the BZ in the PZ) Superman would be a normal guy and Batman would beat the **** out of him.

I prefer Kryptonite over that. But a well used one. Just like on a fight with Metallo on Public Enemies where his powers are decreasing slowly, he has strenght but he is being poisoned slowly and feeling pain, not the automatically Supes in the ground without powers. And that's what I want to see with Kryptonite, and I think Snyder may do something similar.

 

[Boom]

We are so very close to seeing this thing in color.

Get hyped.

 

[John-An]

So yeah Daredevil's look is good for a TV series... but for the ones that said it is the best, well I have seen a better cowl right now

by Reevz

 

[Travesty]

Well, looks like the Batsymbol is definitely black. And the suit looks extremely battle worn. Looks cool.

 

[-Arya-]