BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 34

[Sawyer]

People bringing up Schumacher's suits in relation to Bafleck's...

Good Gawd.

 

[SheldonLevene]

People bringing up Schumacher's suits in relation to Bafleck's...

Good Gawd.

I think the comparison in construction is probably fair, but the execution, as well as the materials used in this version seem worlds apart.

On the topic of changing the suit - if they're hell bent and determined, I wouldn't mind a slightly slimmer sculpt and potentially making the cowl, cape, gauntlets and boots dark blue. Short of that, I'd prefer no changes, just give Ben a clean (non-battle damaged) suit to start JL.

 

[jasontodd]

I'd be ok with a more pristine version of the same suit but Dark blue and the same gray. That would look good in a Justice League setting.

 

[Travesty]

I'd be ok with a more pristine version of the same suit but Dark blue and the same gray. That would look good in a Justice League setting.

I agree, that would look awesome.

And bring back the Oval, damn it.

 

[Proximo]

I think the comparison to the Schumacher suits is valid seeing as Jose Fernandez, the man behind the construction of the Affleck suit also did most of the Schumacher suits. He has a certain style to his work, which can be seen in all of his previous work.

As a big fan of the Schumacher suits and Jose's work I see plenty of similarites in the Affleck suit to the ones he did for the Schumacher films. Especially in the cowl sculpt which is basically a combination of the Kilmer Panther, Clooney and the Affleck Daredevil cowl.

 

[Lencho01]

People bringing up Schumacher's suits in relation to Bafleck's...

Good Gawd.

That's what happens when you make your suits so "anatomically accurate".

 

[Lencho01]

I don't know if Batfleck will ever have lenses, but it's definitely the #1 thing on my wishlist for a future Batsuit. With Deadpool, Daredevil, and Black Panther all rocking the lenses, I don't see why Batman can't. Others may disagree, but I think it would be a big improvement. And there's always room for innovation, like Marvel did with Spidey's squinting lenses to cover a range of eye shapes (brilliant!).

This looks SO DAMN GOOD.

And yeah, after seeing the Schumaker comparisons I can't help but see the similarities in the Batfleck suit. It's undoubtedly a monumental step away from the black rubber days, but there is still room for improvement.

And even if the eyes weren't animated, I think Batman being able to "emote" was never a problem. If an actor can't show how Batman is feeling due to his voice and body language, I don't seen why he should be playing the character. Cox's suit showed him blinking at times and that graveyard scene.

 

[Travesty]

Well, for Daredevil, I think it works, because he's blind. That's one thing I always said about Batman having lenses, is that he would look like a blind person. And this was before DD even came out.

 

[Jekecy]

Well, for Daredevil, I think it works, because he's blind. That's one thing I always said about Batman having lenses, is that he would look like a blind person. And this was before DD even came out.

Well, bats and blindness go together as well...

 

[Saint]

People bringing up Schumacher's suits in relation to Bafleck's...

Good Gawd.

They're very much on the same spectrum--just at opposite ends. I don't mean that as an insult; it's just a reality. They are both extremely over-the-top aesthetics; they are merely different in the qualities they emphasize.

Similarly, the design of the Arkham games is on the same spectrum as the design of the Schmacher films--again, at opposite ends.

 

[Lencho01]

Well, for Daredevil, I think it works, because he's blind. That's one thing I always said about Batman having lenses, is that he would look like a blind person. And this was before DD even came out.

Eh, maybe if they gave him white eyes like a real blind person like Stick. But, since characters like Daredevil show it's clearly coming from the mask, I don't see how that would be a problem. Like, not matter what color the lenses are, it's not really his eyes.

They're very much on the same spectrum--just at opposite ends. I don't mean that as an insult; it's just a reality. They are both extremely over-the-top aesthetics; they are merely different in the qualities they emphasize.

Similarly, the design of the Arkham games is on the same spectrum as the design of the Schmacher films--again, at opposite ends.

Yep. That's what I mean when I say they're similar, but just different approaches. Looking at my old comments in the previous threads, I can seen where people may not have understood what I was going for when I said them.

 

[Travesty]

Eh, maybe if they gave him white eyes like a real blind person like Stick. But, since characters like Daredevil show it's clearly coming from the mask, I don't see how that would be a problem. Like, not matter what color the lenses are, it's not really his eyes.

I'm not talking about the eyeballs, that's not the point I'm making. The point, is that blind people tend to always look forward, because there's no need to have their eyes roam around. With lenses, it just looks like Batman would be looking forward in a fixed state the entire time. Unless you CGI it like Deadpool, but that would probably end up looking silly for a live action Batman, that wasn't in the style of Sin City.

It works for Deadpool, cause he's a walking satire.

 

[harryoscop]

I'm not talking about the eyeballs, that's not the point I'm making. The point, is that blind people tend to always look forward, because there's no need to have their eyes roam around. With lenses, it just looks like Batman would be looking forward in a fixed state the entire time. Unless you CGI it like Deadpool, but that would probably end up looking silly for a live action Batman, that wasn't in the style of Sin City.

It works for Deadpool, cause he's a walking satire.

Also Black Panther and now Spidey.

 

[Saint]

I'm not talking about the eyeballs, that's not the point I'm making. The point, is that blind people tend to always look forward, because there's no need to have their eyes roam around. With lenses, it just looks like Batman would be looking forward in a fixed state the entire time. Unless you CGI it like Deadpool, but that would probably end up looking silly for a live action Batman, that wasn't in the style of Sin City.

It works for Deadpool, cause he's a walking satire.

This problem is potentially exacerbated by Batman limited range of head motion. If Batman's eyes can't tell us where he's looking, and he can't turn his head, he would basically have to be square with whatever he's supposed to be looking at, all the time.

This is less of a problem today than it was twenty years ago, but even Affleck's suit doesn't have a natural range of motion, and when he does turn his head it twists the cowl in a non-flattering way. Bale had the best range of motion. These aren't movie killing problems but they do limit an actor's options in their performance.

Lenses have a place on film, I think, but maybe not as a permanent fixture of the cowl. There are scenes that would be better with lenses and scenes that would be worse. Likewise, a certain type of performance would be wounded, another enhanced. Daredevil's performance is enhanced.

 

[Deserana]

Wow I don't think I've ever been in this thread but people are moaning about the suit??

 

[hafizbat]

Well, for Daredevil, I think it works, because he's blind. That's one thing I always said about Batman having lenses, is that he would look like a blind person. And this was before DD even came out.

I think that's actually a nice perk. It would help put more emphasis on the "Bat" than the "man". Like the cape and cowl, white lenses would add to Batman's ghoulish, supernatural aesthetic. I think that would be a really cool effect, especially because it hasn't been done in a Batman movie before. Not to mention that going with white lenses would put even more emphasis on the Bat-voice, so white lenses plus a great bat-voice would be win-win in my book.

If I were a criminal, I'd be much more afraid of these dead white eyes peering into my soul during an interrogation.

 

[hafizbat]

Lenses have a place on film, I think, but maybe not as a permanent fixture of the cowl. There are scenes that would be better with lenses and scenes that would be worse. Likewise, a certain type of performance would be wounded, another enhanced. Daredevil's performance is enhanced.

Agreed. The easy solution is to have Arkham-style drop-down lenses. Best of both worlds if used right.

 

[Lencho01]

I'm not talking about the eyeballs, that's not the point I'm making. The point, is that blind people tend to always look forward, because there's no need to have their eyes roam around. With lenses, it just looks like Batman would be looking forward in a fixed state the entire time. Unless you CGI it like Deadpool, but that would probably end up looking silly for a live action Batman, that wasn't in the style of Sin City.

It works for Deadpool, cause he's a walking satire.

I don't see how that's an issue though. I mean other characters don't point it out when interacting with him to bring attention to it. If it's wanted for the audience to know where he's looking, he can just look in that direction. I'm sure they can be transparent enough to see his actual eyes if they wanted it that way.

 

[Legendver2]

Wow I don't think I've ever been in this thread but people are moaning about the suit??

This is what ahppens when you talk a movie to death

Also Black Panther and now Spidey.

We've got a few clips at best for Panther and Spidey, so we don't know the extent of how the actors can emote through the suits. And so far, teh realistic take on the MCU doesn't have Panther emoting through the eyes like deadpool, so it's still a wait and see if this works on film.

Agreed. The easy solution is to have Arkham-style drop-down lenses. Best of both world if used right.

That would be the best case scenario. I do like seeing his actual eyes, especially in the Knightmare scenes, where his eyes portrayed that fear he has, even under the cowl. Having the lens active during detective mode type scenes would be best. And those would probably work best in a solo movie where Batman has the most screen time to show off his toys and suit functions. I doub't we'll get too much of that in JL, since there's 6 other characters to focus on. At that time, I'd be way more interested in the other 3 new character's outfits, suits, and toys.

 

[hafizbat]

True, but honestly to me, it translates a whole lot better than I would have expected. I NEVER wanted the "bodypaint" or "naked man" look, but this suit manages to pull it off without it looking completely silly - I guess it's the fabric texture and creases that makes it work. Without those, it would just look like 89/Forever/& Robin.

From what I can see in your avatar, the musculature looks perfect! It looks hardened and aesthetic without going full-schumaker.

Do you have a bigger image?

 

[Travesty]

I don't wanna get into the lens debate again, but I'll just say, I don't see it. We've seen it 2x now(3 if you count the mech suit), and it looked silly. The only time it looked good, was with the mech suit in BvS. It looks good in the comics and animation, but so far, every attempt in the regular cowl has looked bad. If they prove me wrong, more power to whoever does it, but again, I just can't see it looking good for Batman in live action.

That's it.

 

[harryoscop]

I don't wanna get into the lens debate again, but I'll just say, I don't see it. We've seen it 2x now(3 if you count the mech suit), and it looked silly. The only time it looked good, was with the mech suit in BvS. It looks good in the comics and animation, but so far, every attempt in the regular cowl has looked bad. If they prove me wrong, more power to whoever does it, but again, I just can't see it looking good for Batman in live action.

That's it.

The execution was terrible in the Nolan/Forever films. It's all about the execution.

 

[Lencho01]

Yeah, it's like saying the grey and/or cloth look can't work because of how it was done in the West show or in fan films. But, here we are.

 

[Saint]

Wow I don't think I've ever been in this thread but people are moaning about the suit??

Nobody's "moaning" about the suit, we're talking about the suit.

 

[matt47]

Leading up to the film I wasn't in love with the grey they used but after seeing it, man alive is it perfect.