BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - Part 29

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Indeed.

For once Batman doesn't look like he's wearing a big black condom, but actually looks like his comic book counterpart and there are people who don't like it and prefer the black rubber? I just don't understand it.

I think there's a bit of nostalgia at play in the unswerving allegiance some have for the black rubber suits. For those of this ilk who claim to be fans of the traditional suit regularly seen in the comics -- and yet still cling to the former -- it would appear that their perception is somehow skewed by personal feelings toward previous on-screen iterations of the character. Then you have another breed I like to call the nouveau riche fanboy, the formerly unbiased general audience member whose appreciation for the movies somehow makes him/her an overnight authority on all things Batman.
 
Well, they were gray. Granted, it was a dark gray, but it was still technically gray. But I was mainly talking about the material and type of suits (particularly the tactical, piecemeal armor look of the TDK/R suit).

I know what you're getting at, but it looked black. Even that greyish kevlar part looked black for most of the time.

Yeah, I got what you're talking about. It worked well within universe. I don't think it is the only possible approach for a grounded universe Nolan was going for and I don't like how it visually looks (TDK/R one especially), but it worked.

I think there's a bit of nostalgia at play in the unswerving allegiance some have for the black rubber suits. For those of this ilk who claim to be fans of the traditional suit regularly seen in the comics -- and yet still cling to the former -- it would appear that their perception is somehow skewed by personal feelings toward previous on-screen iterations of the character. Then you have another breed I like to call the nouveau riche fanboy, the formerly unbiased general audience member whose appreciation for the movies somehow makes him/her an overnight authority on all things Batman.

This seems to be a perfect assessment. Spot-on! :up:
 
Indeed.

For once Batman doesn't look like he's wearing a big black condom, but actually looks like his comic book counterpart and there are people who don't like it and prefer the black rubber? I just don't understand it.

Now Superman's wearing a blue condom.

But that's for another thread and another day
 
I know what you're getting at, but it looked black. Even that greyish kevlar part looked black for most of the time.

Yeah, I got what you're talking about. It worked well within universe. I don't think it is the only possible approach for a grounded universe Nolan was going for and I don't like how it visually looks (TDK/R one especially), but it worked.



This seems to be a perfect assessment. Spot-on! :up:
It was the lighting. It looked black in the dark and low light. Problem was, the cape was black, but they didn't make the helmet/neck and gloves black as well.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/34472/677909-wizard_magazine_batman_1_.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vxKeMZ1.jpg

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/6/6a/Batmanstudio59.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/Youngbat/BobCsBeginssuit.jpg~original

They most certainly could've made it much lighter, and it would've fit very well, although I think the Snyder one would work for that kind of world as well. I think about this promotional art for TDKR, which makes the suit look much lighter than it actually was:

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Now Superman's wearing a blue condom.

But that's for another thread and another day
It's not rubber, though...
 
What do you guys think of Arkham Knights' suit? I dislike it as much as the Nolan suit. Needlessly busy. I guess I'm just not fond of armor on mah Batman.
 
What do you guys think of Arkham Knights' suit? I dislike it as much as the Nolan suit. Needlessly busy. I guess I'm just not fond of armor on mah Batman.

Still looks more like Batman to me than TDK/DKRises' suit. And it has Kevin Conroy voicing him to boot so.....:batman:
 
The Arkham Knight suit is meh but I guess it's necessary for what he'll go up against.
 
It works as an extension of the Bat-mobile and definitely fits within the visual style of a video game.

Also, I have to say, I still love all the old live action Batman suits (Minus the last B&R Freeze thing) and Keaton's will always work like gangbusters, stiff neck or not.
 
I think there's a bit of nostalgia at play in the unswerving allegiance some have for the black rubber suits. For those of this ilk who claim to be fans of the traditional suit regularly seen in the comics -- and yet still cling to the former -- it would appear that their perception is somehow skewed by personal feelings toward previous on-screen iterations of the character. Then you have another breed I like to call the nouveau riche fanboy, the formerly unbiased general audience member whose appreciation for the movies somehow makes him/her an overnight authority on all things Batman.

Eh.

The idea that the traditional suit is the best assumes that Batman's comic costume is inherently the best design and/or the design people MUST prefer somehow. Or that you cannot be a fan of the traditional visual of Batman and like the movie suits.

That's silly.

You can be a fan of more than one thing.

As for the "black condomn" look comments, he kind of looks like a gray condomn in this suit. Ribbed, to be sure, but a condomn nontheless.

That said, the character of Batman looks good in a number of designs. He's always looked great in all black. Has for years. He's looked fantastic in a number of variations onscreen. Most of the costume complaints over the years have been about relatively silly things like "He can't turn his head in that mask", as if that truly mattered onscreen, or how much the actual suit weighed, or restricted an actor/stuntman, as if that really mattered onscreen. It was always more about his choreography, not his ability to move fluidly, that was the larger issue for the previous Batsuits. If TDK didn't prove that in a number of respects, nothing will.

I guarantee you this suit, while having flexibility is probably still not all that comfortable or easy to move in. It's not easy to move around in a skintight anything, with a long cape and boots and a cowl on. Been there. Done that.

Now, I think this design looks great, love the adaption of the suit and celebrate how well they've translated the comic book visuals, but I will probably still always prefer Batman's all black look, simply because I think it looks amazing and makes more sense for a creature of the night.
 
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Now Superman's wearing a blue condom.

But that's for another thread and another day

I don't find it to look as rubbery as those previous batsuits. I think that thick texture helps in that department. Also, material is only partly rubber.

It was the lighting. It looked black in the dark and low light. Problem was, the cape was black, but they didn't make the helmet/neck and gloves black as well.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/34472/677909-wizard_magazine_batman_1_.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vxKeMZ1.jpg

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/6/6a/Batmanstudio59.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y182/Youngbat/BobCsBeginssuit.jpg~original

They most certainly could've made it much lighter, and it would've fit very well, although I think the Snyder one would work for that kind of world as well. I think about this promotional art for TDKR, which makes the suit look much lighter than it actually was:

bde23bc64df23d0da20aea425faa5f1a_large.jpeg

Yup, it's most definitely the lighting. But I guess that if they wanted it to make it appear grey in the film, they'd take certain lighting conditions into equation, like Wilkinson did for MOS and BVS suits. And yeah, it always rather annoyingly stood out to me how the cape was pitch black and the cowl wasn't.

As for Snyder's suit, it seems to hit the same mark that "Batman Begins" suit (my second favorite live action batsuit) was aiming for - bestial appearance. It's their decision to go for more tactical look in other two movies that gave birth to TDK/R suit.

What do you guys think of Arkham Knights' suit? I dislike it as much as the Nolan suit. Needlessly busy. I guess I'm just not fond of armor on mah Batman.

I don't like it. At all.

Not just that I don't like armored batman, but it is busy as hell. No subtlety at all. It's your typical over-the-top video game design.
 
I think there's a bit of nostalgia at play in the unswerving allegiance some have for the black rubber suits. For those of this ilk who claim to be fans of the traditional suit regularly seen in the comics -- and yet still cling to the former -- it would appear that their perception is somehow skewed by personal feelings toward previous on-screen iterations of the character. Then you have another breed I like to call the nouveau riche fanboy, the formerly unbiased general audience member whose appreciation for the movies somehow makes him/her an overnight authority on all things Batman.

I just prefer an all-black Batsuit. I guess in a way I'd be lying if I said nostalgia played no part in my reasons for liking the all-black. But it's not necessarily nostalgia in terms of fond memories, more of the fact that I just instantly connected to the all-black more and it's been my preference ever since. I grew up with the grey and black/blue just like everyone else. My first introduction to Batman was the Adam West/1966 Series because of all the re-runs being shown heavily in my youth and it was always grey/black/blue in the comics when I was younger. I really do just like the all-black look better, it just added something to the character that wasn't really there before for me, I just think it looks cooler and it probably doesn't hurt that black is my favorite color.

All that said, I do agree that this is the best batsuit we've seen so far, I want to make that very clear, I have absolutely no problem with this suit and no complaints that it's not all black. The cowl and the cape design, the materials and detail are far more advanced than the black rubber suits. I definitely understand the complaints about the rubber look, even with the old suits being all-black the rubber aspect was always alittle suspect. The materials used in those older suits just don't stack up to this suit.

But I would love to see an all-black version of this Wilkinson design. I understand why alot of people wouldn't want to see it go back to the all-black but let's say the Wilkinson suits get used for 7 movies, I'd like to see the all-black once, I don't think it would kill anybody if we got it just once out of 7 movies. It's not because I'm not happy with this suit, I think it's great and I'm not demanding we go back to all-black right away or even anytime soon, but I would like to see an all-black Wilkinson suit, I think he's the best costume designer we've ever seen in terms of superhero costumes so I would love to see his take on the all-black just once before he moves away from comic book movies, which is inevitable.
 
Yeah, don't really like the AK batsuit, especially compared to the old beauty.

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It was from the weakest of the games (though not by too much), but the Origins suit is my fav from the series.


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Best combination of armor and style.
 
I'm too lazy to look.

Are the BVS and SS Batsuits the same? Do they have the same battle damage and whatnot?
 
They look substantially identical, so far as I can tell.

All "Arkham" costumes are dreadful, incidentally.
 
I'm too lazy to look.

Are the BVS and SS Batsuits the same? Do they have the same battle damage and whatnot?

They appear to have:

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Which makes me think... if it is the same suit that gets damaged in BvS, then it would also have bullet holes by now (as we've seen it get them in the trailer). If it is different suit altogether, why does it have same scratches?

I am probably overthinking this, though...
 
So are they going to CGI in the cape onto Batman in that chase scene? I thought they like to do these things practically these days though.
 
Well, that was a reference to the body proportions underlying it. But, yes, I do have form on this.
 
^ I somewhat liked the suit from the first game; then things got out of hand.
 
So are they going to CGI in the cape onto Batman in that chase scene? I thought they like to do these things practically these days though.

Yes they will CGI on the cape.

Filming a cape in action scenes

a) Sucks to film because it can go anywhere thanks to wind

b) Can get stuck in things

c) Sucks to clean for every take

d) Can be boring as hell to look at. Notice in MOS all the cape porn. You can't get that kind of movement without setting up a ton of wire and wind machines.

A CGI cape for these sequences is the more practical option.
 
Yes they will CGI on the cape.

Filming a cape in action scenes

a) Sucks to film because it can go anywhere thanks to wind

b) Can get stuck in things

c) Sucks to clean for every take

d) Can be boring as hell to look at. Notice in MOS all the cape porn. You can't get that kind of movement without setting up a ton of wire and wind machines.

A CGI cape for these sequences is the more practical option.

I think this was their main reason. Imagine if it were to stuck in the wheel of the car while filming the scene.
 
Compare Reeve's cape to Cavill's and you'll see why it's CGI. But mostly because of safety, they didn't have a cape when filming the Batpod scenes TDK Trilogy.
 
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