BvS The Batsuit Thread - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[rockandrollsoul]

There's no such thing. The only things in that area that express emotion are the eyebrows and some of the muscles surrounding the eyes. The only thing the pupils in the eyeballs show is what direction someone is looking. This notion of "the eyes being the window to the soul" and what some seem to take from that (that you need to see the pupils to see emotion) is utter nonsense.

I totally understand if you prefer the lenses, but on the subject of eyes, respectfully, the entire acting/film-making community disagrees with you. It's human instinct to look into another person's eyes, especially when they are expressing something of significance. Whether or not they literally display a specific emotion is irrelevant. They reveal truth. When you're watching a great performance, I guarantee you're looking into the actor's eyes.

 

[morningmimosa]

What if they decided against the lenses because Bruce is gonna have several scenes or one longer scene with his cowl hanging down and it looks weird for him to have those eyes then? If that's the case, I would gladly accept it <3

 

[The Shape]

There's no such thing. The only things in that area that express emotion are the eyebrows and some of the muscles surrounding the eyes. The only thing the pupils in the eyeballs show is what direction someone is looking.

Sorry, but that is utter nonsense.

This notion of "the eyes being the window to the soul" and what some seem to take from that (that you need to see the pupils to see emotion) is utter nonsense.

There is certainly more to the eyeball/eyelid area than simply the pupils, or tiny block dots at the center of our eyes.

Also, I think people are underestimating the power of eye contact between people, and in this case, fictional characters.

 

[Bren]

To each their own and I may be in the general minority but I'd love to see a well-done white-lensed Batman slowly emerging from the shadows and going to town on a group of thugs. I'll get to see his eyes with the cowl off or in Wayne-mode.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I'm in no way begrudging anyone's preference for lenses, but the notion that the eyes aren't expressive is flat out wrong.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that you want the lenses despite a loss in emotional connection. I wouldn't want Spider-man to have his eyes (or any of his face) exposed as he wouldn't look like Spider-man, but I accept it's at the expense of that connection.

Those of you who do accept that trade off, but feel that the almost inhuman detachment that comes with the lenses is a plus, well I can at least see where you're coming from, but I still find it wholly unnecessary. Batman has been portrayed with and without lenses, both in comics and in other media, and he still looks like Batman. It's hardly a defining characteristic, so why cut off the audience from the character for something so superficial?

 

[rockandrollsoul]

To each their own and I may be in the general minority but I'd love to see a well-done white-lensed Batman slowly emerging from the shadows and going to town on a group of thugs. I'll get to see his eyes with the cowl off or in Wayne-mode.

That's another thing, usually the less expressive an actor can be in the costume, the less you'll see of them in costume. Especially, if Batman was portrayed to the audience as this detached, almost demonic type figure at all times, you can bet we'd be seeing a lot more of Bruce.

 

[Lencho01]

I still think transparent lenses with a light silvering would do it - you'd be able to see the real eyes in close-up for acting scenes, but could have them be glowing points in wide shots or any other time you like by bouncing a light off them.

Best of both worlds.

I think the way it was done in the Green Lantern posters would be a good way to go.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I think when a ton of gunfire is starting to happen, the white lens should cover his eyes. Or when he wants to see better in complete darkness, perhaps working as some added sight benefit when looking through them We could see him with both regular eyes and the white lens look. Regardless I'm not huge on needing them for live action. I'm good without them.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I want to see the Batsuit in all its glory in the next poster.

 

[Knightfall]

I want to see the Batsuit in all its glory in the next poster.

Let alone the next trailer. We still haven't got much in terms of footage with the suit.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Let alone the next trailer. We still haven't got much in terms of footage with the suit.

No we haven't but i'm sure we will in the next trailer. Hopefully that is next month.

 

[TheBat812]

Lenses could work in a more stylized version of batman. But to work, it will probably have to follow the same idea used by thy animation lenses - they need to b able to change shape and interact with the eyebrows to convey various expressions. Otherwise lenses are kind of useless and lifeless.

I like how they're using lenses in BvS so far, in that it's used for a special suit that requires more tech.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Lol why exactly is there two pages discussing white lenses?

Don't we have blatant confirmation there are not going to be white lenses in the film?

This is more like talk before a potential new reboot.

 

[Steve Holt]

what are your thoughts on contact lenses that can change between clear and opaque as opposed to Lenses built into the cowl.

 

[Urich Leeds]

Lol why exactly is there two pages discussing white lenses?

Don't we have blatant confirmation there are not going to be white lenses in the film?

This is more like talk before a potential new reboot.

We don't have confirmation that there won't be lenses. If anything, this little beauty from SDCC....

..... confirms that we will see lenses; retractable, like the ones featured in The Dark Knight.

Or, it could just be cool set dressing for the Batcave.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

Lenses could work in a more stylized version of batman. But to work, it will probably have to follow the same idea used by thy animation lenses - they need to b able to change shape and interact with the eyebrows to convey various expressions. Otherwise lenses are kind of useless and lifeless.

I like how they're using lenses in BvS so far, in that it's used for a special suit that requires more tech.

Agreed. As someone said before, they would work really well in a Sin City style film, but that's still putting style before substance.

I, too, like the use of lenses on the armored suit. If it's used for one action oriented scene, I don't take issue.

what are your thoughts on contact lenses that can change between clear and opaque as opposed to Lenses built into the cowl.

Personally, I could take it or leave it. I guess if it was used briefly for some kind of detective mode, it'd be fine, though it might come off as gimmicky.

We don't have confirmation that there won't be lenses. If anything, this little beauty from SDCC....

..... confirms that we will see lenses; retractable, like the ones featured in The Dark Knight.

Or, it could just be cool set dressing for the Batcave.

I really doubt that the "tech cowl" fits underneath the regular cowl.

 

[MurkeNyou]

How could you not see it is the understructure pof the cowl. It may not fit on the actor, but this is rigged to show this is what Wayne has under the rubbery leather outer material.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

How could you not see it is the understructure pof the cowl. It may not fit on the actor, but this is rigged to show this is what Wayne has under the rubbery leather outer material.

And where do all those wires go ? No, 100% sure he's not wearing that under his cowl. It's either used in the batmobile or batwing, over his regular mask for some special vision or aiming.

 

[matt47]

I still think it's under the mech suit

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Or the mech suit, yeah.

 

[TheTarkKnight]

They might choose to have the lenses appear only in intimidation or detective mode situations. That would let you have the white lenses (which I would like to see), and also be able to see his eyes. Although I think the lenses would help with his boogeyman style, in scenes where he needs to show emotion, he will need his pupils to show, I agree.

 

[ThePhantasm]

"better put up my lenses, its time for me to show emotion!"

 

[TheTarkKnight]

"better put up my lenses, its time for me to show emotion!"

LOL - awesome point of view. But how else would you give the viewer both? Especially while intimidating bad guys in the dark. Don't tell me you don't get goosebumps when you see Batman emerging from the dark, starting with his white glowing eyes?

 

[souperman]

...those lenses are just in case Bats needs to read the fine print on his pain meds bottle.

Bat-Bifocals...

 

[rockandrollsoul]

They might choose to have the lenses appear only in intimidation or detective mode situations. That would let you have the white lenses (which I would like to see), and also be able to see his eyes. Although I think the lenses would help with his boogeyman style, in scenes where he needs to show emotion, he will need his pupils to show, I agree.

I personally think the actor's eyes could be way more intimidating than lenses, animated or otherwise. Look no further than Michael Keaton's crazy eyed Batman. You just can't capture that with lenses (whether cg or practical). Also, though the aesthetic of lenses might fit a more ghostly Batman or a techy Batman, I don't think it suits the organic, beastial look they went for.