BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 7

[Bathead]

To all the nay-sayers who don't buy the fact that a fabric can be bulletproof ...
I just watched a report on the local Philly morning news (KYW, ch.3.1) about a bulletproof business suit being offered by a Canadian firm. If you didn't know, you could not tell it was bulletproof just by looking at it, it looked to be an ordinary business suit and vest, yet it stopped bullets from close range. (looked to be no more than maybe twenty feet).
It apparently costs only $20,000. Surely Bruce Wayne could afford an even more advanced version for his Batsuit.

 

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[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Oh lord... leave something to the imagination.

That's horrific.

 

[RustyCage]

To all the nay-sayers who don't buy the fact that a fabric can be bulletproof ...
I just watched a report on the local Philly morning news (KYW, ch.3.1) about a bulletproof business suit being offered by a Canadian firm. If you didn't know, you could not tell it was bulletproof just by looking at it, it looked to be an ordinary business suit and vest, yet it stopped bullets from close range. (looked to be no more than maybe twenty feet).
It apparently costs only $20,000. Surely Bruce Wayne could afford an even more advanced version for his Batsuit.

What kinds of bullets? Fired from what kinds of guns?

What was the material called??

 

[The Shield]

I liked the Nolan movies and the ones before but the guy in the suit never gave off the impression that he was kicking ass.

I would have to agree with you. TDKR was really the worst in terms of his martial arts. Or lack there of. I know I'm totally reaching but I'm looking for more of a Donnie Yen fight. I wish they could have him co with the choreography. I say co bc I know Snyder would never replace his guy.

 

[Bathead]

What kinds of bullets? Fired from what kinds of guns?

What was the material called??

The one gun I saw looked like a 45 automatic. I don't recall a name for the particular fabric, it wasn't a very in depth report, it was only about a minute long, but they did mention it was supplied to the Canadian firm by the U.S Special Service.

 

[Greenollie]

Here is the story on the bullet proof business suit via youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25CL93f0f8#t=196

 

[Marvin]

To all the nay-sayers who don't buy the fact that a fabric can be bulletproof ...
I just watched a report on the local Philly morning news (KYW, ch.3.1) about a bulletproof business suit being offered by a Canadian firm. If you didn't know, you could not tell it was bulletproof just by looking at it, it looked to be an ordinary business suit and vest, yet it stopped bullets from close range. (looked to be no more than maybe twenty feet).
It apparently costs only $20,000. Surely Bruce Wayne could afford an even more advanced version for his Batsuit.

Cool but, this is the similar trap the nolan films fell into. The need for the tech to be out somewhere in the world before applying it to their film. I personally see the benefits of this approach especially for the few people in the audience that are hip to such facts but honestly, it doesn't have to exist for the film makers to present it. This is partially why Nolan made a big bulky suit that barely allowed batman to move(especially in begins) and was vastly different from the source material...cause it had to be based on real world tech.

All the film needs to do is present a material in it's own universe in a realistic way. Pelt a latex or cloth fabric in the gun range and have dude shoot it with an automatic riffle and then when the smoke clears there is lots of gun powder marks but no holes in the material. You then have the man walk up and slash the material with a knife and suggest it's flawed in that sharp slashes compromise the kinetic based design(bring on the ninja fights). Then you go on to design a suit with farrrr more aesthetic freedom that doesn't ask all that much more from the audience.
...And if anything it's even more believable due to mobility and whatnot.

...Instead of a bear suit.
For all it's silliness they tend to go this way with the bond films. He eventually did it with that Batwing vehicle.

It's why Ironman doesn't look like a construction site vehicle.

 

[Bathead]

I understand all that and agree, people rely too much on the realism factor. I'm just pointing out the bulletproof fabric to those same realism freaks who don't believe such a fabric exists and who use that as an argument in favor of heavy armor.

 

[The Shape]

I understand all that and agree, people rely too much on the realism factor. I'm just pointing out the bulletproof fabric to those same realism freaks who don't believe such a fabric exists and who use that as an argument in favor of heavy armor.

The fact that bulletproof fabric exists has been pointed out hundreds of times (though it feels like millions) in this thread over the past year. Actually seems like it's discussed almost every week.

That factoid, while true and interesting, will not serve to change anyone's opinion that they prefer Batman to look somewhat armored anymore than your opinion will be changed about Batman's trunks. At the end of the day, everyone has their own vision of "the perfect Batman" and his appearance pretty much comes down to personal preference.

 

[BatFan1979]

I want to see black eye paint some of the time, AND other times either flip-down lightly illuminated white lenses over or whited-out contacts that pop out of nowhere. Basically, like the Arkham games. The lenses would be his HUD, nightvision, and serve to intimidate. They'd go away when he doesn't need those features, kind of like whenever Tony Stark opens the mask on the Iron Man suit.

Either way, I say they should blend the mask into the eye area so that it looks like the actors eyes are part of the mask. That's the point of the black make-up after all, but no live action Batman mask has nailed this yet.

I feel the same way - it's always just looked like a good quality pull-over Halloween mask for the most part. I also want it to mimic more of the comic look. Blending it into the eyes would definitely be a new approach to the cowl. It'll be hard to get right, but with today's realistic CGI effects, I think it's very possible.

 

[BatFan1979]

The fact that bulletproof fabric exists has been pointed out hundreds of times (though it feels like millions) in this thread over the past year. Actually seems like it's discussed almost every week.

That factoid, while true and interesting, will not serve to change anyone's opinion that they prefer Batman to look somewhat armored anymore than your opinion will be changed about Batman's trunks. At the end of the day, everyone has their own vision of "the perfect Batman" and his appearance pretty much comes down to personal preference.

You're right that people have their own vision of the "perfect Batman". I've more or less liked the armored suit over the past 8 years, and in the games and some artwork, but am just ready for a new fresh look that will add to the diversity of this great character.

I also agree that even thought they have realistic bulletproof tech that lays precedent for a fabric-type suit, the new Batman universe doesn't need to rationally explain everything like they did in Nolan's vision. James bond was a good example. Also, in an animated example, the Incredibles...humor me here. When Edna was showing Helen "Elastigirl" the new suits she had created, their abilities weren't overly explained; she just highlighted them and moved on. A quick and satisfying scene I'd say.

 

[hafizbat]

All they have to do is show just one shot like this to show what the Batsuit is capable of. This is after being drowned in a vat of deadly acid. Without saying anythig, its obvious that the suit can take that kind of damage and still protect Bruce.

Or this.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I'm gonna bring this up again - which one?
1. regular eyes without black eye paint
2. regular eyes with black eye paint
3. white eyes with lenses on cowl
4. white eyes with lenses directly on eyes

Regular eyes with black eye paint!
Can't fix what isn't broken.

It would be kind of cool if they were able to pull off something like the Arkham cowl.
Smaller eye holes....
Eliminating the need for eye paint.

Might be kind of obstructive to his range of vision though....

 

[BatFan1979]

Regular eyes with black eye paint!
Can't fix what isn't broken.

It would be kind of cool if they were able to pull off something like the Arkham cowl.
Smaller eye holes....really just big enough for his eyes.

Smaller eyes holes do look much better.

 

[hafizbat]

I wonder how he turns his head in that massive neck.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Alot of what's done in the Arkham games is pretty much perfect in my eyes.
Hope they have some influence on the team behind this movie.
Arkham games+Zack snyders style

I wonder how he turns his head in that massive neck.

Alot of it is Bruce's actual neck.

 

[BatFan1979]

I wonder how he turns his head in that massive neck.

I hear ya - I think that's why the games give a false sense of what the suit can be. A Batman with that much armor and bulk on wouldn't be able to fight hand-to-hand effectively, much less run and jump. I mean it's been said many times on this forum that even the Nolan style suits translated to pretty awful fight scenes on screen due to the bulky nature of the suit.

 

[Marvin]

I'm really hoping for contacts of some sort(even though snyder didn't do it in watchmen), snyder has a way of really getting to the root of the visual source material.

I'd even take another puffy suit if it meant contacts of some sort.
It's the diff between a guy in a suit

And an something not quite human.

There is a moment in the xfilms when storms eyes go white and you can mark the second it changes from halle to a badass creature. Why not capture that moment in a bottle with batman? It's that simple imo.
Hell even black contacts if you really want get serious and strike fear into the superstitious and cowardly lot and nail that demonic presence they directors go on about.

Whiting eyes a real compromise that works imo.
Take my avy here, white eyes and little is lost, few things are gained.


Not a fan of the full lens approach, they result in spiderman like expression issues.

I hear ya - I think that's why the games give a false sense of what the suit can be. A Batman with that much armor and bulk on wouldn't be able to fight hand-to-hand effectively, much less run and jump. I mean it's been said many times on this forum that even the Nolan style suits translated to pretty awful fight scenes on screen due to the bulky nature of the suit.

To be honest the nolan suit doesn't really restrict that much outside of those early neck issues, it mostly comes down to his choreo and editing.
-The power ranger movie suits were just as bad and they still moved awesome.
-The ninja turtle movie suits were about 10x more cumbersome(3 fingers?) in all areas outside of the neck and those fighter was simply designed to be mostly awesome.
Fix the neck and work on better fight design.

 

[BatFan1979]

To be honest the nolan suit doesn't really restrict that much outside of those early neck issues, it mostly comes down to his choreo and editing.
-The power ranger movie suits were just as bad and they still moved awesome.
-The ninja turtle movie suits were about 10x more cumbersome(3 fingers?) in all areas outside of the neck and those fighter was simply designed to be mostly awesome.
Fix the neck and work on better fight design.

Good point. I'm sure with Snyder's history of action, Batman's fighting style will definitely be better than we've seen before on screen.

 

[Shikamaru]

The fact that bulletproof fabric exists has been pointed out hundreds of times (though it feels like millions) in this thread over the past year. Actually seems like it's discussed almost every week.

That factoid, while true and interesting, will not serve to change anyone's opinion that they prefer Batman to look somewhat armored anymore than your opinion will be changed about Batman's trunks. At the end of the day, everyone has their own vision of "the perfect Batman" and his appearance pretty much comes down to personal preference.

The problem is that they try to argue that the bulky black armor is realistic and makes more sense than the bulletproof fabric, which is not the case.

 

[BatFan1979]

Here's a manip I put together. It's along the lines of the type of suit I'd like to see in the new film.

 

[John-An]

Here's a manip I put together. It's along the lines of the type of suit I'd like to see in the new film.

like it but could you put the texture of the glasses as the spidey's suit?

 

[Mister Meddle]

Regular eyes with black eye paint!
Can't fix what isn't broken.

It would be kind of cool if they were able to pull off something like the Arkham cowl.
Smaller eye holes....
Eliminating the need for eye paint.

Might be kind of obstructive to his range of vision though....

I think it would look better with smaller eye holes too. The only problem is that cowl would have to be so tight against the face that it would be a mother just to get it on and off.

 

[Rowsdower!]

No eyeholes. That way he'll be blind as a bat!