BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 8

[Boom]

Honestly, I'd just go for a skirt instead of the one-piece bathing suit.

Something akin to Sif in Thor.

 

[Rorschach2012]

Honestly, I'd just go for a skirt instead of the one-piece bathing suit.

Something akin to Sif in Thor.

agreed. JMC's design is pretty much perfect. Battleskirt ends all the debates about sexism

 

[Rorschach2012]

If women really couldn't accept the fact that WW wears what she does, then why has she existed for so long? There doesn't even really seem to be much controversy around her costume because she's portrayed so respectfully in her characterization.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Well, firstly, I have more female friends than male, so you are making a significant assumption there. Secondly, I think the respect afforded to WW transcends the manner in which she is occasionally drawn. The flesh she exposes is, generally, treated as incidental by writers, though the art tends not to suggest that. Overall, I would argue that WW is a character that embodies many feminist virtues; but has bare legs. I would be more troubled by the contemporary treatment if characters like Firestar or Catwoman.

WW does embody many feminist virtues in a way, but at the same time, we still can't ignore that she's obviously drawn as a sex object. I personally wouldn't mind giving her a costume that's a little less ridiculous. I love to see beautiful women as much as the next hot blooded heterosexual male, but at the same time, it would be nice to see a comic film expand it's presentation of its female characters. As much as I love the medium, it's not exactly renown for being all that progressive on its depiction of comic females.

 

[charl_huntress]

This is not true. Over the years plenty of women have complained about her costume in the comics. Yet, most comic fans who are women are accepting of that look in the comics. It fits in that medium where everyone is stylized, but in a modern movie that I might take a young female to see....no haps!

 

[Infinity9999x]

If women really couldn't accept the fact that WW wears what she does, then why has she existed for so long? There doesn't even really seem to be much controversy around her costume because she's portrayed so respectfully in her characterization.

Women have complained about the look. But there isn't a huge group of female comic readers. And WW hasn't been portrayed in live action popular media for going on 40 years. So that's why you haven't heard much about it.

 

[MrsKent26]

Women have complained about the look. But there isn't a huge group of female comic readers. And WW hasn't been portrayed in live action popular media for going on 40 years. So that's why you haven't heard much about it.

Thank you.

 

[Rorschach2012]

lol its really simple. Give her a battleskirt. This conversation will go away.

 

[regwec]

Women are the ones that know what's "feminist" and "sexist" to them. Not men.

That may be but, just as you don't have to be an ethnic minority to be offended by racism, so too can men be offended by sexism. And I do know where you're coming from. I merely feel that the treatment afforded to WW is more nuanced than that directed at most comic book superheroes, whose sexuality appears to be the raison d'etre.

 

[Infinity9999x]

That may be but, just as you don't have to be an ethnic minority to be offended by racism, so too can men be offended by sexism. And I do know where you're coming from. I merely feel that the treatment afforded to WW is more nuanced than that directed at most comic book superheroes, whose sexuality appears to be the raison d'etre.

I would agree with this. Though, like I said earlier, you can't deny that the way she is drawn is still very much an objectification.

I think the battleskirt look could be all right if done well. I personally liked Sifs look in Thor, though she had a skirt and trousers. I would like something like that.

 

[MrsKent26]

That may be but, just as you don't have to be an ethnic minority to be offended by racism, so too can men be offended by sexism. And I do know where you're coming from. I merely feel that the treatment afforded to WW is more nuanced than that directed at most comic book superheroes, whose sexuality appears to be the raison d'etre.

Fair enough. And I was specifically talking about her costume and poses. She has been portrayed well in other ways at times.

 

[regwec]

she's obviously drawn as a sex object.

I'm really not sure that this is accurate. Some artists- the usual suspects- do turn her briefs into a thong and draw her from the perspective of her mid thighs. But they draw all women that way, and I doubt that WW or her costume is much to blame.

Viewed from a certain distance, WW dresses like a track athlete. I don't think that's beyond the pale.

 

[Lencho01]

So, how about that Batman, right?

 

[Rorschach2012]

ugly^

 

[Marvin]

Is it just me or that's how Bale pretty much looked in TDK and TDKR.
Now that I look back at those movies, there isn't really any sense of magic or mysticism regarding his costume and his posture as Bats. The result is a bland impression that is not on par with the true spirit of the character of The Batman.

had to

 

[NosfeRomas]

Maybe in an elseworlds story but for live action hell no.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm really not sure that this is accurate. Some artists- the usual suspects- do turn her briefs into a thong and draw her from the perspective of her mid thighs. But they draw all women that way, and I doubt that WW or her costume is much to blame.

Viewed from a certain distance, WW dresses like a track athlete. I don't think that's beyond the pale.

That's really my point. The comic genre isn't known for it's progressiveness in its depiction of its female characters. They do draw almost all their women like that, and I would like to see something that's less of an objectification in live action. I would agree that WW's costume isn't really worse than any other superheroine costume, but that doesn't mean it still isn't an objectification. That's like trying to say one Klu Klux Klan member isn't racist because he acts just like all the others I think they could come up with something that's more respectful and still retains the spirit of the character. I wouldn't mind something akin to what Lady Sif wore in Thor.

Anywho, Batman. I would like to see something more comic-oriented. As I've said before, I really, really, REALLY want a silicone mask that moves with his face and can display a variety of emotions, like he can in the comics. I would also like white contact lenses, because if he has a mask that allows him to emote, the "you need the eyes" argument basically becomes invalid.

Also, I'd like to see them really play around with the majesty of the cape, let it be a bit more ethereal and horror-esque. The CGI cape in MOS looked very good, I wouldn't mind them utilizing that tech to make Batman's cape seem a bit more otherworldly.

 

[charl_huntress]

Also, I'd like to see them really play around with the majesty of the cape, let it be a bit more ethereal and horror-esque. The CGI cape in MOS looked very good, I wouldn't mind them utilizing that tech to make Batman's cape seem a bit more otherworldly.

This is one thing I really want. I missed Bats cape action in the Nolan movies.

 

[Amadeus Arkham]

I like the way that the cape is used in the Arkham games. It's a gliding mechanism plus it has weights in the bottom to be used in an offensive manner. Just give us the Arkham Batsuit and we'll be happy.

 

[Marvin]

Honestly, I'd just go for a skirt instead of the one-piece bathing suit.

Something akin to Sif in Thor.

Sif's outfits are lame, overworked and forgettable
imo. Then again, maybe it's her role, or those films. I would hope for something more present. There was alot of improvement in the second film, I'll give them that.

Cool

Spoiler

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Comic Con

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Branagh style.

 

[Caekzor]

Her Thor 2 outfit is better.

 

[The Guard]

But I wasn't paying attention to the effect of music and editing. What got to me was how the image of Batman in the Bat coincided with Wayne's triumph of the Pit. In that first image of Wayne's triumph, we see that the fear of death has been re-instilled, and as such the fear of dying gives him a reason to live. In other words, he wants to live life to the fullest rather than be in depression. So when you get to the scene where Batman is sitting on the Bat, his eyes signify that Bruce Wayne no longer needs Batman. It's Bruce Wayne's catharsis at play.

You might not have been. But you were apparently fooled by them nontheless.

Gotta be honest, I don't recall him looking blankly at the screen after his triumph in The Pit.

I don't see any fear of death on his face in The Bat. I don't see much of anything. He's just blank, maybe calm. But since we haven't seen him "descend" into calm, it's got next to no impact as a performance. They're utilizing a classic cinematic trick. The actor does more or less NOTHING, and the camera either pushes in, or they work with editing and sound and lighting.

But he's doing next to nothing there as an actor, even with his eyes. Well, that's not fair, he closes his mouth. The least they could have had him do is slowly close his eyes, a la Ra's Al Ghul in BATMAN BEGINS. That would at least have been full circle, tying him to and separating him from Ra's and also full circle from when he opens his eyes as adult Wayne in the prison in BEGINS.

But nope. He just stares out the window. Bale gave more emotion to "I've got to steeply climb The Bat over this tall building" than this supposed moment of reflection and tranquility. Heck, he gave more emotion to "waiting for the canopy of The Bat to close".

 

[Marvin]

But he's doing next to nothing there as an actor, even with his eyes. Well, that's not fair, he closes his mouth. The least they could have had him do is slowly close his eyes, a la Ra's Al Ghul in BATMAN BEGINS. That would at least have been full circle, tying him to and separating him from Ra's and also full circle from when he opens his eyes as adult Wayne in the prison in BEGINS.

Clever.

 

[The Guard]

Careful. When you say that, raptors attack.

 

[Bathead]

I don't don't understand the both or neither argument for the trunks.Is it that one would look weird next to other if only one was wearing them?
What about when they eventually make a JL movie?
Not all the other hero's wear trunks,so would superman and batman not look strange next to them in the same way?

I don't get it either. It would be like saying, if Batman has a cowl, then so should Superman, or conversely, if Superman doesn't have a cowl, then neither should Batman. Just because one has or doesn't have a certain feature on his costume then the other should be the same makes no sense.