BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 9

[charl_huntress]

It's actually Ben Affleck doing pullups in the town.
Oh and I hope we get that exact look for bats now!

Hahah...lol. That suit is so hilarious that we should have that look...lol

I'm going to watch The Town. I haven't seen it in a while.

 

[matt47]

Hahah...lol. That suit is so hilarious that we should have that look...lol

I'm going to watch The Town. I haven't seen it in a while.

You know what...I think I'm going to also.

 

[BattleAngel]

LOL glad you guys thought it was as disgusting and glorious as I did. Can you imagine if they really did that? It's like... EVERY thing people on here have complained about, with the exception of armor.

I should have included a giant pair of knee pads (armored thigh high boots? lol) and a collar for good measure.

Just to wash the taste out of my mouth, I just did this manip of 'Fleck as super early Zero Year Bats.

...left the purple gloves out for this one though

(I think Rob Liefeld would approve of my use of straps that do nothing, although I don't think there are enough pouches. My bad.)

 

[charl_huntress]

^^lollolo...I can barely type the above image is just too awesome. ...oolololo

 

[Travesty]

 

[Rocketman]

In regards to Batman being the Frank Miller/conservative/Republican/drone type character, I doubt that they'll change Batman's character that dramatically after having Bale's/Nolan's for almost 10 years. It would be too much of an extreme adjustment for the general audience.

My understanding was that Affleck would be a "soft reboot", which is to say that the leap from Bale to Affleck is like Keaton to Kilmer. The character is still the "same" while being sort of ambiguously different. You don't really know if the events of The Dark Knight Trilogy happened to Affleck, and since Bruce is now a seasoned Batman, you don't really know if Bruce left Florence, Italy and returned to Gotham and became Batman again at age 40. In other words, it's Bale's Bruce Wayne replaced by Affleck's face.

Now, obviously that's not LITERALLY what Snyder/WB is doing, but that's the sort of ambiguity I think they're going for.

 

[BatFan1979]

My understanding was that Affleck would be a "soft reboot", which is to say that the leap from Bale to Affleck is like Keaton to Kilmer. The character is still the "same" while being sort of ambiguously different. You don't really know if the events of The Dark Knight Trilogy happened to Affleck, and since Bruce is now a seasoned Batman, you don't really know if Bruce left Florence, Italy and returned to Gotham and became Batman again at age 40. In other words, it's Bale's Bruce Wayne replaced by Affleck's face.

Now, obviously that's not LITERALLY what Snyder/WB is doing, but that's the sort of ambiguity I think they're going for.

I dont think they're going to imply anything from the nolan universe in the new movie. I havent seen anything from Snyder stating one way or the other, but Nolan did say his trilogy was self contained. I'd say this means any events that happened therein (including character developement) were exclusive to that trilogy, not to influence BvS.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

In regards to Batman being the Frank Miller/conservative/Republican/drone type character, I doubt that they'll change Batman's character that dramatically after having Bale's/Nolan's for almost 10 years. It would be too much of an extreme adjustment for the general audience.

My understanding was that Affleck would be a "soft reboot", which is to say that the leap from Bale to Affleck is like Keaton to Kilmer. The character is still the "same" while being sort of ambiguously different. You don't really know if the events of The Dark Knight Trilogy happened to Affleck, and since Bruce is now a seasoned Batman, you don't really know if Bruce left Florence, Italy and returned to Gotham and became Batman again at age 40. In other words, it's Bale's Bruce Wayne replaced by Affleck's face.

Now, obviously that's not LITERALLY what Snyder/WB is doing, but that's the sort of ambiguity I think they're going for.

No plz

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

In regards to Batman being the Frank Miller/conservative/Republican/drone type character, I doubt that they'll change Batman's character that dramatically after having Bale's/Nolan's for almost 10 years. It would be too much of an extreme adjustment for the general audience.

My understanding was that Affleck would be a "soft reboot", which is to say that the leap from Bale to Affleck is like Keaton to Kilmer. The character is still the "same" while being sort of ambiguously different. You don't really know if the events of The Dark Knight Trilogy happened to Affleck, and since Bruce is now a seasoned Batman, you don't really know if Bruce left Florence, Italy and returned to Gotham and became Batman again at age 40. In other words, it's Bale's Bruce Wayne replaced by Affleck's face.

Now, obviously that's not LITERALLY what Snyder/WB is doing, but that's the sort of ambiguity I think they're going for.

This is what I assumed to. The broad outline of events that happened in TDKT happened to Affleck, but in an aesthetic more befitting his Batman.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

In regards to Batman being the Frank Miller/conservative/Republican/drone type character, I doubt that they'll change Batman's character that dramatically after having Bale's/Nolan's for almost 10 years. It would be too much of an extreme adjustment for the general audience.

My understanding was that Affleck would be a "soft reboot", which is to say that the leap from Bale to Affleck is like Keaton to Kilmer. The character is still the "same" while being sort of ambiguously different. You don't really know if the events of The Dark Knight Trilogy happened to Affleck, and since Bruce is now a seasoned Batman, you don't really know if Bruce left Florence, Italy and returned to Gotham and became Batman again at age 40. In other words, it's Bale's Bruce Wayne replaced by Affleck's face.

Now, obviously that's not LITERALLY what Snyder/WB is doing, but that's the sort of ambiguity I think they're going for.

so bale has gone under plastic surgery and got affleck face to retain his batman life in gotham for 24x7 at the age of 40

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[TheFlamingCoco]

This is what I assumed to. The broad outline of events that happened in TDKT happened to Affleck, but in an aesthetic more befitting his Batman.

I'd say it's a reboot that's not a complete overhaul. I don't think it's the SAME Batman, but I also think that it was done in a way that implies the events in the TDK trilogy COULD have happened. In other words, I think it was done so that if Bale wanted to continue, he'd have a chance to.

But at the same time, I think that it's clear this is a different universe.

 

[Shikamaru]

What makes you think that? It's too early to say anything about it

Hence why I said it seems they're going that route. Everything I've heard on the film looks and sounds like a complete disaster so far. It seems entirely like a film pushed by suits.

Right-wing extremist Batman? Hmmm...

Batman: "get yuh blue ass the heyull outta 'Murica, illegal sunova*****!"

t:

Well, that isn't the only type of right wing extremism.

Before you pass judgement, I would do one very important thing first:

Watch the actual movie.

Now, don't get me wrong, I do understand your trepidation. When I read that Synder was directly contacting Miller I was a bit wary. Miller hasn't written anything worthwhile in years (unless you view his stuff as comedy, in which case it's hilarious) and while I appreciate what The Dark Knight Returns did for Batman as a character, parts of that story haven't aged well. I'm not a fan of how Batman acts in parts of that story, with the "she's a good soldier" attitude and forming a secret society comprised of former murdering nutjobs.

However, keep in mind that nearly every Bat-film that's been made since B89 has referenced TDKR as "inspiration" for their films, and none of them really had the full on Miller Batman treatment. We don't know how Synder is going to portray Batman in this film. Heck, we haven't even seen a bad spy-cam picture yet. So give it a bit of a chance before you condemn it.

None of the other bat-directors have went to personally ask Frank Miller for tips on the film, or at least as far as we know. Snyder openly came out and said he did/will do that. That is where the fear lies. Current Frank Miller should never have any input on anything Batman or Superman related. We also know from a tweet from someone in the production crew (forgot who it was) that Batman will be semi-retired, will have Bat-Drones all over the city, and will not be talking to Robin. That sounds very in line with the crazy right wing nut of DKR/Kingdom Come, though a lot more in line with Kingdom Come than DKR.

For the record, I loved Batman in DKR. I had no problem with his character. However, that is not the Batman I care to see on the big screen.

Also, Batman's characterizations is only the tip of the iceberg. Everything about the movie looks like a disaster. It looks like a film entirely pushed by suits. It looked that way to me since the film was first announced at Comic Con and nothing has changed since then. If anything, that belief has only strengthened. Keep in mind that people used to joke about throwing Wonder Woman in just to further complicate things. This is WB's attempt to catch up to Marvel as quickly as possible without putting in the proper time and effort that they did.

As for "don't judge till you watch", the argument's greatest flaw is the assumption that I am pessimistic over the film. I'm not. Instead of sticking to the optimistic or pessimistic position, I choose to stick to the least biased position of all - the realistic position. Optimism over an upcoming film is good, but you also have to keep a realistic mind about it. And given all the factors and everything we've heard over the film, the chances of this film being good are very low for many reasons. The biggest reason is Goyer and Snyder going solo again. I cannot buy for a second the notion that the guys who barely did an ok job with Superman's origin story with getting extra time on it will now do an amazing job with a crammed, studio-pushed, prematurely-released Batman/Superman film that seems to have already taken more deviations than MOS did. Not only that, but I'm also supposed to buy that Goyer and Snyder will find a way to make this feel natural (since MOS was just a setup film). Nope. Sorry but that is a huge stretch.

 

[regwec]

so bale has gone under plastic surgery and got affleck face to retain his batman life in gotham for 24x7 at the age of 40

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Or the film studio credits its audience with maturity sufficient to understand that these are fictional characters played by actors who can be replaced.

 

[Shikamaru]

In regards to Batman being the Frank Miller/conservative/Republican/drone type character, I doubt that they'll change Batman's character that dramatically after having Bale's/Nolan's for almost 10 years. It would be too much of an extreme adjustment for the general audience.

I think it is their way of saying "Oh, look how much cooler this Batman is so accept him!" only for him to be "cooler" in a very superficial way. Seriously. "He has cool drones now and isn't talking to that annoying boy wonder. He's badazz!" That's entirely what it comes off like.

My understanding was that Affleck would be a "soft reboot", which is to say that the leap from Bale to Affleck is like Keaton to Kilmer. The character is still the "same" while being sort of ambiguously different. You don't really know if the events of The Dark Knight Trilogy happened to Affleck, and since Bruce is now a seasoned Batman, you don't really know if Bruce left Florence, Italy and returned to Gotham and became Batman again at age 40. In other words, it's Bale's Bruce Wayne replaced by Affleck's face.

Now, obviously that's not LITERALLY what Snyder/WB is doing, but that's the sort of ambiguity I think they're going for.

I kinda do and don't think they're going for that. More specifically, I think Affleck is entirely stunt casting at the hands of WB because they're afraid people won't accept a new Batman so soon.

This is no ordinary Batman reboot. This is the first time a franchise that left a good taste in people's mouths is being rebooted and is being rebooted so soon. With WB being the confidence-lacking superhero filmmakers that they are, what better way to avoid any small chance there is of people missing Bale if you cast an A-list recently Oscar-winning star that looks the part? It seems like the perfect business decision given the type of studio WB is and the stance they take on superhero films & reboots, and this being a Batman much older than Superman is the perfect narrative tool to cover that up.

The amazing thing about it? It worked like a charm. Remember all the loud Nolanites that were screaming off the top of their lungs to get Nolan's Batman in the shared universe? Who argued that severely altering or stripping all other superheroes of their powers is worth it as long as Bale comes back? Who argued that a reboot would only be successful if they recast Bale? Who said bringing in a new Batman would kill their love for Batman altogether, would never live up to Nolan's take because "he's done everything" and all other biased fanboy-ish claims such as those? Now all those people are flocking to Affleck because "Er Mah Gerd he's a huge star, he won teh Oscar and has teh Bat-Man chin!!1!" The general audience seems to be excited for the same reason. "He's a huge star right now with a huge career so this is a great idea." Not that Affleck has no chance of playing a good Batman, but those specific reasons given by the GA and (previous) Nolanites are entirely superficial and lack depth.

But of course, WB knows that and that is what they're taking advantage of. Bale has been a complete afterthought in the minds of the GA since the Affleck news came out.

 

[hafizbat]

I couldn't tell this is the Batsuit thread anymore lol.

This pic is pretty cool, I think it shows how drastically different (infinitely superior) it looks with a simple fabric/mesh layer on top of the armor.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Shikamaru,

I understand what you're saying about being realistic, and believe me, I share many of the same reservations you have. However, when you come down to it, worrying about this can only do so much. I'm not expecting this to be great, but I'm saying that I would wait until we have some actual information to go off of besides tiny tid-bits of information that the actors/producers/directors have said (and little snippets like that are basically worthless).

The amazing thing about it? It worked like a charm. Remember all the loud Nolanites that were screaming off the top of their lungs to get Nolan's Batman in the shared universe? Who argued that severely altering or stripping all other superheroes of their powers is worth it as long as Bale comes back? Who argued that a reboot would only be successful if they recast Bale? Who said bringing in a new Batman would kill their love for Batman altogether, would never live up to Nolan's take because "he's done everything" and all other biased fanboy-ish claims such as those? Now all those people are flocking to Affleck because "Er Mah Gerd he's a huge star, he won teh Oscar and has teh Bat-Man chin!!1!"

I'd have to disagree here. Worked like a charm? Did you see the backlash Affleck got? Internet-wise, there was a HUGE amount of dissension (which I also think was an overreaction). The "Nolanites" were also severely unhappy. However, the reason you don't still hear them complaining is because...the people rooting for Bale to come back have already realized that it's not going to happen. And even internet comic fans can only complain for so long.

I would say Affleck's Batman casting has worked...moderately well. It hasn't caused the uproar that Heath did when first cast as the Joker, but it's been a lukewarm reception. Many people hate it, some seem to be fine with it, and a good number are still skeptical.

 

[John-An]

I couldn't tell this is the Batsuit thread anymore lol.

This pic is pretty cool, I think it shows how drastically different (infinitely superior) it looks with a simple fabric/mesh layer on top of the armor.

Nice manip

 

[Sub-Zero]

I couldn't tell this is the Batsuit thread anymore lol.

This pic is pretty cool, I think it shows how drastically different (infinitely superior) it looks with a simple fabric/mesh layer on top of the armor.

i have a feeling that this is the closest to the real thing. and it's gray and blue.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Love that manip.

 

[The Shape]

Hence why I said it seems they're going that route. Everything I've heard on the film looks and sounds like a complete disaster so far. It seems entirely like a film pushed by suits.

 

[The Shape]

My understanding was that Affleck would be a "soft reboot", which is to say that the leap from Bale to Affleck is like Keaton to Kilmer. The character is still the "same" while being sort of ambiguously different. You don't really know if the events of The Dark Knight Trilogy happened to Affleck, and since Bruce is now a seasoned Batman, you don't really know if Bruce left Florence, Italy and returned to Gotham and became Batman again at age 40. In other words, it's Bale's Bruce Wayne replaced by Affleck's face.

Now, obviously that's not LITERALLY what Snyder/WB is doing, but that's the sort of ambiguity I think they're going for.

No, I don't think that's the case at all.

 

[roach]

My understanding is that this Batman is a complete reboot...there just isn't a need to retell his origin or have an inexperienced Batman this soon after The Dark Knight Trilogy.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I couldn't tell this is the Batsuit thread anymore lol.

This pic is pretty cool, I think it shows how drastically different (infinitely superior) it looks with a simple fabric/mesh layer on top of the armor.

Badass.

 

[Nathan]

That looks freaking awesome.

 

[Shikamaru]

Shikamaru,

I understand what you're saying about being realistic, and believe me, I share many of the same reservations you have. However, when you come down to it, worrying about this can only do so much. I'm not expecting this to be great, but I'm saying that I would wait until we have some actual information to go off of besides tiny tid-bits of information that the actors/producers/directors have said (and little snippets like that are basically worthless).

The film being prematurely released, pushed by suits, in the hands of Goyer and Snyder going solo, Batman being made older than Superman, and Wonder Woman being added in all constitute as "tiny tid-bits of information"? Yes, a lot of stuff really is just that (i.e. Batman being a right wing extremist with drones) but all the major things revealed up until now make the film look like a complete mess.

I'd have to disagree here. Worked like a charm? Did you see the backlash Affleck got? Internet-wise, there was a HUGE amount of dissension (which I also think was an overreaction). The "Nolanites" were also severely unhappy. However, the reason you don't still hear them complaining is because...the people rooting for Bale to come back have already realized that it's not going to happen. And even internet comic fans can only complain for so long.

I would say Affleck's Batman casting has worked...moderately well. It hasn't caused the uproar that Heath did when first cast as the Joker, but it's been a lukewarm reception. Many people hate it, some seem to be fine with it, and a good number are still skeptical.

It worked like a charm to the general public, which is most of the population. All other groups (comic book fans, Nolanites, etc.) are a very small minority in comparison. All the general public is hyped up over this, and naturally so because they got such a huge name. As for the hardcore Bale extremists, yes, that was their initial reaction but a lot of them have turned around in the past few months. The current reaction for a lot of them is...as I said..."Er Mah Gerd he's a huge star, he won teh Oscar and has teh Bat-Man chin!!1!"

Thank you for your intellectually stimulating response.