The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Tra-El]

I rally wanted to… heard good things about the guy playing Superman and the whole new premise aspect of it all.

I wasn’t trying to be too mean, I was a SMALLVILLE kid and still have a soft heart for most of that up thru s6.

I also struggled to get past s1 of Titans. When also heard was different and good.

I'm the same way. I have always mightily struggled with television shows dating back to my early childhood (even when I tried to set my weekly schedule). Could never keep up. Though, Superman and Lois holds the title for longest running television interest in my life where I went back and watched. That show made me crush my viewing average. Tyler was not only a fantastic Superman, but an even better Clark. I'll even put him up there as number uno over Reeve. The directing style and overall feel of the show made the set feel as cinematic as possible, and the acting all around was superb. You can take it serious. One of these days I got to catch up and watch in its entirety if I can muster it up before the final season.

 

[Super Kal]

Fair enough.

Your info is incorrect about Gunn, however. What you are posting sounds like the made-up narrative of certain Snyder-favoring YouTube channels.

Gunn was hired to write this script before he was ever head of the studio. This was all confirmed multiple times by the trades and Gunn. There were several pitches of different Superman films. Gunn’s take won. This is absolutely his script, but when he first started writing it, it wasn’t intended to kick off a new universe, so it did go through a change after he was given the top job. But this was always his screenplay, and it never involved Henry Cavill’s Superman.

The anger toward Gunn/this production from the cult is wildly misplaced.

James Gunn himself said that the Superman Legacy was already in the works before he was brought in.

 

[flickchick85]

And this is the reason why many Snyder fans don't like Gunn fans... for this reason alone.

Your feigned objectivity here is not selling.

I take “Gunn fan” as an insult, btw. I can’t stand James Gunn or most of his movies. Vol. 3 was the first one he’s ever made that I’ve unabashedly enjoyed. Those of us excited about this movie don’t pledge our allegiance to a director/actor/whatever. We love Superman and are open-minded and excited about a new iteration, period. The Snydercult doesn’t get talked about with the respect you think they deserve because they haven’t behaved rationally for several years going now. They have been a blight on the DC fandom for nearly a decade now. The notion that this movie should feel the need to “win them back” is beyond ludicrous. They were always nothing more than a loud, obnoxious minority, and in no way represent the general audience this film is aiming to bring in.

They have their preferences. Fine. Those preferences are irrelevant to this movie.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Okay I gotta sleep

Looking forward to whatever I find when I wake up!

 

[flickchick85]

James Gunn himself said that the Superman Legacy was already in the works before he was brought in.

And he’s the one who wrote it, obviously. Where’s the confusion? That WB wanted to make a Superman movie before he was hired??? That was a given!

 

[JP]

What a glorious day. Everything is *chef's kiss*. I really couldn't be happier.

 

[Lily Adler]

Okay I gotta sleep

Looking forward to whatever I find when I wake up!

A real fan doesn't need sleep.

 

[Boom]

Your feigned objectivity here is not selling.

I take “Gunn fan” as an insult, btw. I can’t stand James Gunn or most of his movies. Vol. 3 was the first one he’s ever made that I’ve unabashedly enjoyed. Those of us excited about this movie don’t pledge our allegiance to a director/actor/whatever. We love Superman and are open-minded and excited about a new iteration, period. The Snydercult doesn’t get talked about with the respect you think they deserve because they haven’t behaved rationally for several years going now. They have been a blight on the DC fandom for nearly a decade now. The notion that this movie should feel the need to “win them back” is a beyond ludicrous. They were always nothing more than a loud, obnoxious minority, and in no way represent the general audience this film is aiming to bring in.

They have their preferences. Fine. Those preferences are irrelevant to this movie.

There is also absolutely nothing WBD or Gunn could do to appease these fans other than rehiring Snyder and picking through the charred bones of his original plans. They were never giving this a chance. There's no point in bothering with them, and instead focusing on making the best movie possible for rational, open-minded people.

 

[dhandler01]

Well, it wasn't just the eyebrows. Some pretty decent leakers had a scoop about a Superman doppelganger/clone and whereas Gunn normally shoots down such rumours or false leaks point blank, his response to that one was unusually circumspect. When the weird eyebrows showed up, some folks started to wonder.

We will see...if such a thing is happening we likely know about it soon enough.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Actually, the script that James Gunn was writing was not written by James Gunn, Gunn himself admitted that in a Twitter post, and he said that this script was actually a script that WB has had in preparation 6 months prior to James Gunn being announced as the head of WB...

Thanks for clarifying, however it still stands that Gunn was already working on a Superman movie that was meant to be separate from the DCEU at the time that they brought Cavill back to cameo, so he had no say in how WB handled their business with Henry.

James Gunn had also said in the past a year prior that he had no interest, absolutely zero interest in writing a Superman film or directing anything from Warner Brothers, of course he would go on to say that he did not want to run or had no interest in running WB by himself, that's why we had David Zaslav along with him handling the financial side, and James Gunn handling the creative side...

He also has some really vile tweets that he admits were done in poor taste and regrets doing them. James cleared up why he changed his mind on Superman anyway. He said that basically when he was in talks with WB after being let go from the MCU they offered him a few titles, one of them being Superman. At that time, he didn't feel like he had a good enough approach to tackle something as iconic as Superman so he opted to go with something more in his wheelhouse (TSS), and that part of the inspiration for him to finally tackle Superman was seeing his dad reading a Superman comic before he died. Just because he has a differing opinion now, than he previously did doesn't mean he's a liar. People grow and evolve...ideally.

I think the anger for Gunn comes from the fact that Gunn took over WB completely, renamed it, and instead of using the known actors that were portraying the characters, he went to rely on a script that was not his, and was a script that the prior regime had on a back burner...

Because Gunn could have used the current actors, and applied the vision that he had, and you could have seen Henry Cavill in this exact same suit, or a suit possibly similar to what we saw today... I do think that when Gunn was given the reins, he could have done something that would have mended the bridge that Walter Hamada and the past regime burned, but he didn't, and that's probably why these people hate Gunn so much... because there was potential, and instead of blossoming that potential, he gave up.

If he had mended that bridge, I guarantee you, we would not see the vitriol and hatred that Snyder fans have for Gunn, and I do believe that the fan base would have been more unified if Gunn took into consideration the fan base that the Snyderverse had, and still has to this day, And transitioned the DCEU into the DCU by finishing out what Snyder had originally planned... I really truly do believe if he did that

In a perfect world with no war, homelessness, or disease then yeah WB would have capped everything off nice and neatly but that's not how the real world entertainment business works so why expect as much? The DCEU has more failures than successes and they already lost their asses last year with 4 big budget movies that underperformed at the box office. By contrast, all of Gunn's projects since GotG1 have been wildly successful. That's 5 well received projects in a row, so he's pretty much earned the right to do what he feels is best to deliver what both fans and general audiences want to see in a superhero extravaganza. Outside of people who feel strongly about the Snyderverse, I don't understand why a man with his knowledge, talent, and resume would be expected to continue the previous universe when 1) it was already highly divisive 2) it was obviously failing.

Would I have wanted to see some sort of send off to the Snyderverse before Gunn starts the DCU? Sure! That would've been ideal for the diehard fans, but they already gave Snyderfans the director's cut of Justice League when they didn't necessarily have to. Why expect the same corporation to spend millions more on a dead brand?

Gunn was hired to write this script before he was ever head of the studio. This was all confirmed multiple times by the trades and Gunn. There were several pitches of different Superman films. Gunn’s take won. This is absolutely his script, but when he first started writing it, it wasn’t intended to kick off a new universe, so it did go through a change after he was given the top job. But this was always his screenplay, and it never involved Henry Cavill’s Superman.

The anger toward Gunn/this production from the cult is wildly misplaced.

That sounds more like what that I've read and heard.

 

[The Batman]

I really do think James Gunn screwed over the vision of Zack Snyder, Henry Cavill, and ever person who was supporting the DCEU in spite of the fact that leaders at WB at the time were treating Superman as if he were a secondary or 3rd character, or a side character, because the way Snyder pictured Superman with Man of Steel, Superman not a side character.

James Gunn fired Zack Snyder back in 2016?

James Gunn benched Cavill Superman after three appearances that polarized fans and underperformed at the Box Offfice?

James Gunn was also the guy who was using Cavill as a pawn in a power struggle, making promises he couldn't keep?

Huh, here I thought he was still at Marvel for the majority of that time period.

 

[dhandler01]

I think personally I think David has the potential do fine, but would I go back to Henry Cavill? Hands down, in less than a heartbeat
Would I support Snyder over Gunn when it concerns finishing the vision of the DCEU? In a heartbeat, yes

Snyder never understood Superman and by the end of his "Superman Arc" Superman was barely in the film. I like Snyder but he should never be anywhere near Superman ever again.

Cavill did well in MOS but after that he was Superman in Name Only. Whether that was on Snyder or him we will never know, but he is not a good enough actor to get rid of that stink.

 

[emielaen]

If he had mended that bridge, I guarantee you, we would not see the vitriol and hatred that Snyder fans have for Gunn, and I do believe that the fan base would have been more unified if Gunn took into consideration the fan base that the Snyderverse had, and still has to this day, And transitioned the DCEU into the DCU by finishing out what Snyder had originally planned... I really truly do believe if he did that

Why should he feel inclined to do this though?

 

[Herolee10]

Maybe the first time movie Perry is in an action scene together with Lois? It's cool seeing he might be a bigger part of the plot.

Well...

And there's also Lois and Perry seeing Superman fight Zod in MOS.

 

[dhandler01]

They can feel how they feel, I don’t care. Doesn’t change that they have zero credibility if they’re s***ting on a performance they haven’t seen. No perceived “injustice” (which in my view is total BS for the record) is gonna change that, I’m afraid. No one who disses a performance they haven’t seen is remotely credible by definition. Because they haven’t seen it and therefore aren’t going off anything but personal bias.

What injustice were they given anyways? The movies never lived up to the hype and even when Cavill gambled and came back for Black Adam that didn't help that film from crashing and burning. How many bites at the apple do they think they deserved?

(and yes I know someone will say "But the Snyder Cut Was Liked!!" but that ignores the fact that most of that was good will because the fans fought for it. If that film had been released in theaters instead of the Whedon Cut it would have tanked with reviewers and would have at best underperformed)

 

[Tra-El]

“The Snyder-verse is dead. Bury it. Consider it mercy.”

This is here nor there, but in 10 years time I'll go out on a limb and say Snyder will get his Final Crisis, especially with the latest word of him rekindling relationships with the studio. But anyway..

 

[Boom]

Snyder never understood Superman and by the end of his "Superman Arc" Superman was barely in the film. I like Snyder but he should never be anywhere near Superman ever again.

Cavill did well in MOS but after that he was Superman in Name Only. Whether that was on Snyder or him we will never know, but he is not a good enough actor to get rid of that stink.

I'm perfectly happy to meet halfway and say that Snyder understood Superman to a point. His interpretation simply didn't click with a wide enough audience to give his plans legs. It happens.

If The Batman Part II torpedoes at the box office, do people think we're gonna get Part III, despite whatever uunderstanding Reeves has towards the character? No way.

 

[flickchick85]

What injustice were they given anyways? The movies never lived up to the hype and even when Cavill gambled and came back for Black Adam that didn't help that film from crashing and burning. How many bites at the apple do they think they deserved?

(and yes I know someone will say "But the Snyder Cut Was Liked!!" but that ignores the fact that most of that was good will because the fans fought for it. If that film had been released in theaters instead of the Whedon Cut it would have tanked with reviewers and would have at best underperformed)

Don’t ask me, I said it was BS.

 

[dhandler01]

And I wonder, how many people crapped on Halle Berry being Catwoman before they saw her perform, because I've seen quite a bit of that movie, and her performance was atrocious... and those people at that time who thought Halle Berry was a terrible decision were absolutely right, so there is precedence for These particular individuals having extreme caution...
outright flamboyant anger and rage? I would say no, but I can understand why they feel that way

Just because they turned out to be right in the end doesn't make their opinion wrong beforehand. That isn't how this works. If drive blindfolded because I think I can use The Force and end up not killing anyone and end up at my destination that doesn't mean I actually have The Force and should continue driving that way.

 

[Super Kal]

Your feigned objectivity here is not selling.

I take “Gunn fan” as an insult, btw. I can’t stand James Gunn or most of his movies. Vol. 3 was the first one he’s ever made that I’ve unabashedly enjoyed. Those of us excited about this movie don’t pledge our allegiance to a director/actor/whatever. We love Superman and are open-minded and excited about a new iteration, period. The Snydercult doesn’t get talked about with the respect you think they deserve because they haven’t behaved rationally for several years going now. They have been a blight on the DC fandom for nearly a decade now. The notion that this movie should feel the need to “win them back” is a beyond ludicrous. They were always nothing more than a loud, obnoxious minority, and in no way represent the general audience this film is aiming to bring in.

They have their preferences. Fine. Those preferences are irrelevant to this movie.

I never said that the Snyder cult deserves respect... I said that their critiques have merit. There's a difference between respect and merit. A person can have no respect from anyone at all, yet still make a point that has merit, like a broken clock... it is right twice a day, even though it's broke...

And the way you express your feelings about the Snyder fans... I can't help but be reminded of the state of the Star Wars franchise right now, and how Disney is literally burning that franchise to the ground...

I'm not saying that the Superman franchise is like the Star Wars franchise, burning to the ground or circling the toilet, i'm just simply stating an observation that I'm seeing... and, yes, it's troubling.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Okay, 5 more minutes...

CLOIS!

 

[flickchick85]

I think Snyder understood Superman. He just didn’t understand Superman’s appeal. I mean, he admitted to never liking the “traditional superhero stuff.” That says it all, really. He doesn’t get why people like that stuff, plain and simple.

 

[flickchick85]

I never said that the Snyder cult deserves respect... I said that their critiques have merit. There's a difference between respect and merit. A person can have no respect from anyone at all, yet still make a point that has merit, like a broken clock... it is right twice a day, even though it's broke...

And the way you express your feelings about the Snyder fans... I can't help but be reminded of the state of the Star Wars franchise right now, and how Disney is literally burning that franchise to the ground...

I'm not saying that the Superman franchise is like the Star Wars franchise, burning to the ground or circling the toilet, i'm just simply stating an observation that I'm seeing... and, yes, it's troubling.

Disney made Andor which is the best product EVER produced by the Star Wars franchise by a country mile, so once again you sound like you’re just parroting those talking points frequented by the cult’s favorite YouTube channels.

It’s rage bait, and nothing more. No “merit” to be found. They don’t “critique” (which you can’t do with something you haven’t seen), they whine and yell.

 

[Babillygunn]

I honestly don't have any loyalty to anyone... when the concerns this character, I'm loyal to Superman and Superman only.

To say that "Snyder" had enough movies for a fairly heavy Blu Ray set... I question that, because when it concerned the original lineup for what Snyder wanted to do with the DCEU, there were a number of movies that were never originally meant to be made, yet those movies were the very movies that hurt the DCEU and made it the laughingstock that had turned out to be... Black Adam was meant to try and bring back the original vision that Snyder had, and I honestly do think if Black Adam was released in China, it would have made a much better international box office run than what it originally made.

You keep saying that you are only loyal to the character of Superman, but you are purposefully diverting attention from the day where set photos of his new movie are coming out to justify the Snyder bros’ animosity toward this film.

Snyder’s Superman lacked many of the core aspects of the character. He murdered, he moped, he saw his powers as a burden, and his parents, who have always been his moral compass, encouraged him to look out for himself and to reject self-sacrifice.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of James Gunn. I liked Guardians 1 and loved 3. I hate Super, I hate Brightburn, and I hate Slither. But so far, everything that has been said about this Superman film and everything that I’ve seen has been spot on. So I am very excited.

 

[Herolee10]

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Okay, 5 more minutes...

CLOIS!

Somewhat curious to find out whether Lois already knows Clark's secret or if she'll find out before the end of this film.