The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[DarthSkywalker]

I maintain Superman IV was great on paper and could’ve made for a darn great film. It just, ya know, didn’t.

Single digit Darth loved it. The only one I hated watching as a kid was 3.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You’re ignoring the “but uniquely Gunn that won’t bear much resemblance to what’s come before” part, which feels pretty key. Gunn likes to do his own thing with the more obscure characters. Could be good or bad, but I don’t think any of those could actually be used as a real reference point if that’s what he’s doing.

 

[flickchick85]

Single digit Darth loved it. The only one I hated watching as a kid was 3.

Only watched it for the first time a year or two ago. Veeeeerrry tedious as an adult. I can’t imagine trying to sit through that as a kid.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Only watched it for the first time a year or two ago. Veeeeerrry tedious as an adult. I can’t imagine trying to sit through that as a kid.

I was a very easy to please kid. If it had Superman or Batman, I'd watch it.

 

[DKDetective]

That is not bad actually...I think it works better (personally) if that happens later in the film though. And the Ultraman idea I think works better than Bizzaro.

I think the Ultraman degrading into Bizarro works as an ultimate solution to Lex creating a Superman doppelganger he can't control. It shows Lex's hubris in making a clone because it is imperfect and also conceivably be a way for him to lose control of it.

And failed clone/Bizarro stories are often good opportunities for Superman to show his compassion for others and his ability to inspire. For instance, Lois&Clark's Vat Man or STAS's Identity Crisis. I could see Ultraman/Bizarro inspired by the real Superman to sacrifice himself to end the third act threat a la Doc Ock at the end of Spider-Man 2.

 

[flickchick85]

I was a very easy to please kid. If it had Superman or Batman, I'd watch it.

I was referring to #3 there btw. Superman IV I also watched for the first time as an adult not that long ago and found it to be a far more entertaining bad movie lol.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The beauty of adaptation. You can make the suck, cool.

I was referring to #3 there btw. Superman IV I also watched for the first time as an adult not that long ago and found it to be a far more entertaining bad movie lol.

There's kinda fun bits in both. Like the computer using Green K on Superman. And the Clois reveal where he just jumps off the rooftop with her, confirming Clark is just as prone to spontaneous jumps as she is

Though you guys are making me realise I can't remember what belongs to what movie rn, so clearly do need to rewatch them both.

 

[flickchick85]

I think the Ultraman degrading into Bizarro works as an ultimate solution to Lex creating a Superman doppelganger he can't control. It shows Lex's hubris in making a clone because it is imperfect and also conceivably be a way for him to lose control of it.

And failed clone/Bizarro stories are often good opportunities for Superman to show his compassion for others and his ability to inspire. For instance, Lois&Clark's Vat Man or STAS's Identity Crisis. I could see Ultraman/Bizarro inspired by the real Superman to sacrifice himself to end the third act threat a la Doc Ock at the end of Spider-Man 2.

Yes I like a clone story when it turns into a tragic Flowers for Algernon thing. The Superboy TV show basically did that with Bizarro and despite his horrible look in that show, I thought they did a pretty solid job with it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was referring to #3 there btw. Superman IV I also watched for the first time as an adult not that long ago and found it to be a far more entertaining bad movie lol.

This makes sense with the tedious aspect.

Weirdly I watched The Toy a lot as a kid. Pryor was the GOAT, but what a racist movie. Anyway, you'd assume I'd like him in the third flick. But nah. Never worked for me.

 

[Karelia]

Little late, but the squirrel is obviously Ch'p


Or it's just a friendly neighborhood squirrel lol.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

There's kinda fun bits in both. Like the computer using Green K on Superman. And the Clois reveal where he just jumps off the rooftop with her, confirming Clark is just as prone to spontaneous jumps as she is

Though you guys are making me realise I can't remember what belongs to what movie rn, so clearly do need to rewatch them both.

I remember 1, 2, and 4 pretty well. Not 3. Which makes it the most memed one hard on me.

 

[flickchick85]

There's kinda fun bits in both. Like the computer using Green K on Superman. And the Clois reveal where he just jumps off the rooftop with her, confirming Clark is just as prone to spontaneous jumps as she is

Though you guys are making me realise I can't remember what belongs to what movie rn, so clearly do need to rewatch them both.

The Clois reveal is from IV which is basically the highlight of the movie. And then I get enraged when he gets that heart-to-heart conversation off his chest and then immediately erases her memory AGAIN!!!

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The Clois reveal is from IV which is basically the highlight of the movie. And then I get enraged when he gets that heart-to-heart conversation off his chest and then immediately erases her memory AGAIN!!!

Yeah... one of many reasons I could never be a big fan of those movies in general

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I remember 1, 2, and 4 pretty well. Not 3. Which makes it the most memed one hard on me.

I remember Lana. I remember the bar scene and scrap yard scenes. Those are 3, right?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I remember Lana. I remember the bar scene and scrap yard scenes. Those are 3, right?

Yep.

 

[DKDetective]

Yes I like a clone story when it turns into a tragic Flowers for Algernon thing. The Superboy TV show basically did that with Bizarro and despite his horrible look in that show, I thought they did a pretty solid job with it.

Exactly!

@dhandler01 since you said you have a hard time seeing the whole picture, this is my rough guess at a potential way the film could play out.

This is a world of heroes. Most like Terrific, Hawkgirl, and Guy are part of officially sanctioned/corporate sponsored teams. Along comes Superman who goes about things his own way and according to his own moral code. He can do that because he is more powerful than anyone else.

There is some sort of international crisis, Supes intervenes in an independent way taking no sides. The US government doesn't like that because he makes them look bad for picking a side. He starts to inspire the other heroes to act independently. The gov decides he is a threat. They commission Luthor to make them their own Superman they can control.

Luthor makes a clone, Ultraman. Clark gets really mad when the doppelganger does something horrible. Confronts Luthor, gets arrested by Ultraman. Ultraman starts to want to be Superman. Takes the suit. Tries to be Superman but starts degrading and people are scared of him.

Ultraman/Bizarro lashes out by getting something from Luthor's labs or the Fortress or something to remake the world in his distorted image. Luthor has lost control. Superman needs to be freed to face this threat. Big third act doomsday sequence that requires Supes to work along side a newly independent JLI. During the process, Supes convinces Bizarro to change his mind by being compassionate to him (not reacting in horror). The threat basically needs a Kryptonian to sacrifice themself to save the world. Supes is going to do it, but Bizarro having been inspired does it himself.

Superman ushers in a new period of independent heroes who just do what is right and not others' bidding.

There is a bunch of missing elements, but that is conceivably how I could see a big chunk of the film going.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Yes I like a clone story when it turns into a tragic Flowers for Algernon thing. The Superboy TV show basically did that with Bizarro and despite his horrible look in that show, I thought they did a pretty solid job with it.

I'm literally 3/4s through a Superboy rewatch at present, and ended up skipping the last Bizzaro episode that came up. Think it was a 2 parter... 1 was more than enough.

 

[Chris B]

Can I just hope he's pale because he's been through a Green K ordeal please?

Sure! Lol

 

[Lily Adler]

The Clois reveal is from IV which is basically the highlight of the movie. And then I get enraged when he gets that heart-to-heart conversation off his chest and then immediately erases her memory AGAIN!!!

And if SR is canon, he knocked her up and erased it again.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

And if SR is canon, he knocked her up and erased it again.

To be fair, I feel like they unspokenly retconned that she hadnt had her sex memory erased in that one.

 

[Lily Adler]

To be fair, I feel like they unspokenly retconned that she hadnt had her sex memory erased in that one.

That sounds much more worse.

 

[Lily Adler]

I really wish Donner got his 2 film deal at the time and gave us the To Be Continued cut where Lois survived and one of the war heads fires into space freeing Zod. Then Part 2 would have Clark having to save Lois by reversing time.

 

[DKDetective]

I really wish Donner got his 2 film deal at the time and gave us the To Be Continued cut where Lois survived and one of the war heads fires into space freeing Zod. Then Part 2 would have Clark having to save Lois by reversing time.

Thing is Donner changed the ending to STM himself and that was before he was fired if I recall correctly. Basically, he was going to have to come up with a new ending to II one way or another.

 

[Ninjablade]

Yep.

Ahh, the good ol' days when even the bad movies looked pretty good and had depth.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

That sounds much more worse.

I mean... I feel like not even rembering having had sex and then finding out you are pregnant would be worse... no?