The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[hopefuldreamer]

Yup. And he's just a terrific storyteller. Been a fan since Slither.

Him doing Superman is just icing on the cake.

I haven't loved everything he's done, but GOTG is for sure my fave MCU film.

It's everything I want from a Superhero movie really. It got me immediately emotionally invested, was thoroughly entertaining via interesting character dynamics, variety of visual environments, comedy, soundtrack etc, explored relatable themes of identity, grief, found family, overcoming past trauma etc, and had a decent high stakes threat for the group to come together to face. And it was allowed to be both fun and heart warming, often in this wonderfully, unapologetically cheesy way (See: 'WE are Groot' ).

I know there's still lots of ways we could be unpleasantly surprised, but I feel fairly certain that if most of that translates to this movie... I'll be happy.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

What Gunn did with Guardians was pretty extraordinary. He took characters nobody cared about and made them all movie stars.

Rarely does a director get to infuse so much of his personality into a MCU film.

 

[DCDAVE]

Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was by far the best MCU movie since End Game. Basically made $800 million at the box office with a talking raccoon as the lead character. That movie was goofy, silly but had so much heart.

 

[Adrian Chase]

Guardians of the Galaxy 3 was by far the best MCU movie since End Game. Basically made $800 million at the box office with a talking raccoon as the lead character. That movie was goofy, silly but had so much heart.

It is a far superior film to Endgame in every way.
If you take away the collective experience of Endgame, as with No Way Home, there is very little left.
The Russos have neither the tact nor the talent of an auteur like Gunn. They are honest shooters and nothing more, and their recent career is there to prove it.

The success of IW and EG is mainly the result of the work of Kevin Feige and all his collaborators and the excellent programming work carried out from 2008 to 2019.
Beyond the taste of the each one regarding the single films, the whole operation is titanic and brilliantly executed.

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[solidsnake86]

If Safran becomes the head of WB overall movie division like some of the rumors suggest. I think that would be the most telling sign of what the suits at WB think of Gunn’s Superman movie. I personally don’t think Superman is the make or break of the DCU either.

Make no mistake, superman is make or break in the sense that it is launching a universe. If this thing makes less than Man of Steel did 12 years ago I don't think you can spin that in a positive way.

That said, I think this time around they probably are more focused on it's reception and it has to hit with the general audience, so I also don't think it needs to reach a billion.

 

[Tra-El]

Given David's natural good hair, I still find myself disappointed with the final result.

David has got the best natural Superman hairstyle since Brandon Routh imho.

I can't help but think that as well. Corenswet's hair is not only a layup, but an absolute slam dunk. That said, I do feel principal photography was really good and he looks solid. The picture flick posted is obvious pickup-shots where his hair is noticeably way shorter (the scissor cuts of the shorter hair during those pickups are noticable and somewhat distracting, but not bad either). Principal photography was great with length, but the style could be better in many ways, especially how natural and thick David's hair is.

 

[Tra-El]

He wasn't our first choice.

The jury is still out for me. It's so incredibly strange that Gunn, at the end of the day, is arguably an even bigger enigma than Zack is (excluding styles and their body of cinematic work/results). He's a lightening rod in unpredictable ways in how he goes about things and is an interesting cat. He can say something that would make you feel you're on the way to loving him, then he would say and come off in a certain way that walks those thoughts back. I can't put a finger on the dude.

I will say, that it is obvious how intimidating Superman is for Gunn. I feel when you go back throughout the first wave of interest and watch him talk about the character, that he knows Supes is out of his wheelhouse to a degree. At the same time? I admire him making the decisions that he has and then taking on the reboot/Superman. That takes major balls, and I really, really respect that. Though Superman may give Gunn some fits mentally, he could also be the director that nails the vision the studio is currently looking for. July is one of the biggest months for not only Superman, but for DC and Warner as a whole..maybe ever.

 

[Tra-El]

Make no mistake, superman is make or break in the sense that it is launching a universe. If this thing makes less than Man of Steel did 12 years ago I don't think you can spin that in a positive way.

That said, I think this time around they probably are more focused on it's reception and it has to hit with the general audience, so I also don't think it needs to reach a billion.

Putting the pressure of the Big B on Superman is the exact thing studio execs did to Man of Steel that put it on nervous water. I do feel Man of Steel came out during a time where the studio saw the character that was in need of the trajectory that Zack gave, and with that, came a sense of the unknown where the result could have went either way.

Now that we have really come full circle, the studio is now presented with WAY MORE information as where to take Superman maybe now more than ever. It's nerve-wracking to say the least because if Superman doesn't at least do well in one or two of the major metrics, then maybe he isn't a presentable character on the big screen after all. The stakes couldn't be higher at this point. The BO numbers is still an unknown commodity in what the studio is aiming for giving the ongoing reset of the world and entertainment, especially on the big screen. We also still don't know the budget, so..a tough cookie to crack in what would indeed be seen as a success. There's a lot of question marks, STILL..and we're only 4 months out to release.

I said it in my last posts a few weeks ago that David Zaslav gives me the hibbity-jibbity vibes, along with Safran. Just a feeling.

 

[Frodo]

Make no mistake, superman is make or break in the sense that it is launching a universe. If this thing makes less than Man of Steel did 12 years ago I don't think you can spin that in a positive way.

That said, I think this time around they probably are more focused on it's reception and it has to hit with the general audience, so I also don't think it needs to reach a billion.

I agree.

Superman is a big deal to the studio, no matter how you shake it.

The film has gotta appeal to the General Audience first and foremost .

The last Superman film to really appeal to audiences across the board , came out during The Reagan Administration .
I mean, this is what pop culture was like the last time WB made a Superman film, that pleased most audiences.



Since then , Warner Brothers has had trouble cracking the code to getting the character right enough to really please, and wow, Theatrical Audiences.

Hopefully Gunn can break the pattern and give us a film that most audiences truly embrace .

 

[DCDAVE]

Make no mistake, superman is make or break in the sense that it is launching a universe. If this thing makes less than Man of Steel did 12 years ago I don't think you can spin that in a positive way.

That said, I think this time around they probably are more focused on it's reception and it has to hit with the general audience, so I also don't think it needs to reach a billion.

If it gets to $600 million world wide in two weeks before F4 it will get to billion by the end of the summer. You really can’t compare it to Man of Steel. It was a different time. I think Man of Steel did fine. The problem was it had so much competition and WB saw Avengers money so they jumped the shark with a Batman/Superman movie. Then kind of forgot about Supes story.

 

[Tra-El]

If it gets to $600 million world wide in two weeks before F4 it will get to billion by the end of the summer. You really can’t compare it to Man of Steel. It was a different time. I think Man of Steel did fine. The problem was it had so much competition and WB saw Avengers money so they jumped the shark with a Batman/Superman movie. Then kind of forgot about Supes story.

We haven't even heard David talk as Superman yet in the role, and the full trailer is still weeks away, let alone the marketing. It's virtually impossible at the moment to put a finger on where this thing is heading BO wise. We won't have an idea until pre-sales hit a month in advance and even then, any trajectory can happen. I would be shocked if Superman did $600 mil within a two week timeframe. That is about as massive as massive can get, especially givin the history of the character on the big screen. My personal opinion, $600 mil is a good average to set as the films overall performance WW, give or take the tides of what the rollercoaster of the Box will determine, but that's just a gut number for me. Man of Steel had stiff competition, and the emergence of Zombies and World War Z was the left field film that over performed expectations that cut into MoS's run. Superman has Fantastic Four and Jurassic World to contend with. It's not going to be easy.

 

[Mysteryman]

If it gets to $600 million world wide in two weeks before F4 it will get to billion by the end of the summer. You really can’t compare it to Man of Steel. It was a different time. I think Man of Steel did fine. The problem was it had so much competition and WB saw Avengers money so they jumped the shark with a Batman/Superman movie. Then kind of forgot about Supes story.

BINGO!

 

[Tra-El]

Honestly? Warner Bros Discovery is on thin ice, and quite frankly, I'm tired of worrying about all of this. Give me a great Superman film. That's all I want..and we'll go from there.

 

[Lily Adler]

I agree.

Superman is a big deal to the studio, no matter how you shake it.

The film has gotta appeal to the General Audience first and foremost .

The last Superman film to really appeal to audiences across the board , came out during The Reagan Administration .
I mean, this is what pop culture was like the last time WB made a Superman film, that pleased most audiences.
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Since then , Warner Brothers has had trouble cracking the code to getting the character right enough to really please, and wow, Theatrical Audiences.

Hopefully Gunn can break the pattern and give us a film that most audiences truly embrace .

It's Britain's greatest monster kissing Princess Di!

 

[DCDAVE]

We haven't even heard David talk as Superman yet in the role, and the full trailer is still weeks away, let alone the marketing. It's virtually impossible at the moment to put a finger on where this thing is heading BO wise. We won't have an idea until pre-sales hit a month in advance and even then, any trajectory can happen. I would be shocked if Superman did $600 mil within a two week timeframe. That is about as massive as massive can get, especially givin the history of the character on the big screen. My personal opinion, $600 mil is a good average to set as the films overall performance WW, give or take the tides of what the rollercoaster of the Box will determine, but that's just a gut number for me. Man of Steel had stiff competition, and the emergence of Zombies and World War Z was the left field film that over performed expectations that cut into MoS's run. Superman has Fantastic Four and Jurassic World to contend with. It's not going to be easy.

The only movie that anyone is talking about is Superman. I don’t even think the hype for Fantastic 4 lasted for a couple days. Captain America hurt Marvel and people don’t seem to want to admit it. Do you realize that Aquaman 2 will probably outperform Captain America world wide. Jurassic world 4 hype didn’t even last 24 hours. Superman is still going strong. You are right about one thing though, the dialogue in the 1st full trailer will go along way into taking this movie into another stratosphere.

 

[Adrian Chase]

Captain America hurt Marvel and people don’t seem to want to admit it.

I think Eternals, Quantumania and Love&Thunder back to back destroyed Marvel almost on the level of what BvS, Suicide Squad and Justice League did with the DCEU. The horrible TV series, the lack of planning and narrative coherence are doing the rest.

The fan base was larger and more consolidated over the years, but most of the general public has lost it and it is never easy to win it back.

 

[DCDAVE]

I think Eternals, Quantumania and Love&Thunder back to back destroyed Marvel almost on the level of what BvS, Suicide Squad and Justice League did with the DCEU. The horrible TV series, the lack of planning and narrative coherence are doing the rest.

The fan base was larger and more consolidated over the years, but most of the general public has lost it and it is never easy to win it back.

Bingo. If Superman is legit. Look out.

 

[Tra-El]

The only movie that anyone is talking about is Superman. I don’t even think the hype for Fantastic 4 lasted for a couple days. Captain America hurt Marvel and people don’t seem to want to admit it. Do you realize that Aquaman 2 will probably outperform Captain America world wide. Jurassic world 4 hype didn’t even last 24 hours. Superman is still going strong. You are right about one thing though, the dialogue in the 1st full trailer will go along way into taking this movie into another stratosphere.

I don't think Brave New World will affect FF4 in the slightest. If anything, FF4 may be beneficial to the MCU brand if it is a hit because fans are salivating for these properties to hit again and the fanbase may be waiting on that film since Mackie is a carryover from the older storylines that doesn't seem to have that much interest or pull. Plus, having Captain America as a title and not having Steve Rogers in the film is asking for trouble. FF4 set as a summer MCU Blockbuster should not be takin lightly in the slightest and Jurassic World being an alternative for the audience after two superhero genre releases is a good spot for that franchise.

Superman has its online distractors, and every single day is a new Warner Bros Discovery mishap of the company in dire waters. Superman can be the hit we all need it to be if you want to live in hyperbole, but we got ourselves trapped in this bear claw before and when it snaps, there's no recoil. All I'm saying, is tread this thing lightly. Throwing around the Big B word and talking about next level stratosphere's reminds me of yesteryear. If it does reach those heights? More power to us, and we're off to the races. I'm just approaching things with cautious expectations a tad differently than last go-around because at this point, seeing is believing.

 

[Tra-El]

I think Eternals, Quantumania and Love&Thunder back to back destroyed Marvel almost on the level of what BvS, Suicide Squad and Justice League did with the DCEU. The horrible TV series, the lack of planning and narrative coherence are doing the rest.

The fan base was larger and more consolidated over the years, but most of the general public has lost it and it is never easy to win it back.

In a weird way, Endgame did. Once that saga concluded, there was nowhere to go but a step back. The MCU and their wokeness and missteps was a major reason, but for years all we heard was how the MCU can afford it givin' how enormous their brand is. A franchise like FF4 as the next big thing can position Marvel again practically overnight if they hit.

 

[flickchick85]

Cautious optimism is the way to go imo. Each of the big 3 July releases seem to have equal potential to either over-perform or disappoint. All 3 have unique factors in their favor AND going against them that previous entries in their franchises did not. There’s no telling at this stage which will do what. And we won’t really have a more solid idea until June-ish, probably, when presales start to paint a picture.

So for now I just hope that the excellent teaser is representative of the actual film and that the subsequent marketing continues to move people and make believers out of the GA. It was always gonna be an uphill battle but I think they’re off to a good start. Just gotta continue building that positive momentum with the next trailer and eventual marketing blitz.

 

[Adrian Chase]

Captain America 4 will not affect the box office of Fantastic 4 because fans will always go to the theater, but they are few and not enough, but as with other franchises the occasional and general audience will go to the theater depending on the film and not regardless as an MCU film like they did before.
There will be highs (GOTGVOL.3, Deadpool & Wolverine, Fantastic 4?) and failures (Captain America 4, The Marvels, Thunderbolts?). At least for the moment.

 

[Tra-El]

Cautious optimism is the way to go imo. Each of the big 3 July releases seem to have equal potential to either over-perform or disappoint. All 3 have unique factors in their favor AND going against them that previous entries in their franchises did not. There’s no telling at this stage which will do what. And we won’t really have a more solid idea until June-ish, probably, when presales start to paint a picture.

So for now I just hope that the excellent teaser is representative of the actual film and that the subsequent marketing continues to move people and make believers out of the GA. It was always gonna be an uphill battle but I think they’re off to a good start. Just gotta continue building that positive momentum with the next trailer and eventual marketing blitz.

I agree with this. To me, the next trailer and marketing blitz will be the tell-all. I feel nothing has truly begun as of yet and we are in a wait and see standstill until this next trailer. It's pretty much impossible to tell as of now. But in the same breath, it's right around the corner.

 

[Adrian Chase]

In a weird way, Endgame did. Once that saga concluded, there was nowhere to go but a step back. The MCU and their wokeness and missteps was a major reason, but for years all we heard was how the MCU can afford it givin' how enormous their brand is. A franchise like FF4 as the next big thing can position Marvel again practically overnight if they hit.

A single success is not enough to win back the general audience. Did the success of D&W also turn Cap 4, Daredevil and Thunderbolts into successes?
It will take time, planning and a much higher average quality. And it is not even certain that you will be able to regain the audience you had before back again.

 

[Tra-El]

Captain America 4 will not affect the box office of Fantastic 4 because fans will always go to the theater, but they are few and not enough, but as with other franchises the occasional and general audience will go to the theater depending on the film and not regardless as an MCU film like they did before.
There will be highs (GOTGVOL.3, Deadpool & Wolverine, Fantastic 4?) and failures (Captain America 4, The Marvels, Thunderbolts?). At least for the moment.

The genre basically hit a reset after Endgame + post pandemic. There are exceptions to every rule like DP&W, but as a whole, it's there for the taking for the next big thing as flick said. It's basically a crap-shoot at this point. The audience is more conditioned at the moment to trust Marvel above any else,. especially in comparison to DC as their is a stigma there. But everyone loves a Cinderella story, and Superman can be just that.