The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

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The thing that grinds my gears about the Pattinson situation is the reasoning behind it. I’ve seen people say that they don’t “fit together”, and I gotta say, that is the entire point and appeal of a crossover

I think a lot of people are just used to the MCU way of doing things where all of the characters just homogeneously blend together when Gunn wants the DCU to have diversity
No it isn't. It isn't that they don't work together it's that the universes don't match at all. The gymnastics needed to explain it would be terrible.
 
I've got an idea: maybe they should just let the incredibly talented director do what he wants instead of being forced to obey the constraints of some other guy's vision.
It's even worse than that because they'd both be at each other constraints. For both parties it's a horrible idea. No one would benefit from it.
 
I've got an idea: maybe they should just let the incredibly talented director do what he wants instead of being forced to obey the constraints of some other guy's vision.
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Superheroes goes smash, though!
 
No it isn't. It isn't that they don't work together it's that the universes don't match at all. The gymnastics needed to explain it would be terrible.
I don’t think Pattinson will ever cross over with Corenswet Superman, but I think they could because it is fiction and they could write it that way.
 
I don’t think Pattinson will ever cross over with Corenswet Superman, but I think they could because it is fiction and they could write it that way.
The problem is that the writing in question would more likely than not be bad.
 
The reason they don't fit together is not "one is dark the other one is bright". That's fine and desirable when it comes to the Superman-Batman dynamic. In fact I'm actively hoping that despite the fantastical nature of the DCU Batman he'll keep the darkness that's made him so compelling in the modern era of comics.

The reason they don't fit is because Pattinson's world is very decidedly NOT a world in which heroes exist and have existed for a long time. It is not a world with sci-fi technology like the ones that Mr. Terrific has, it is not a world where stuff like the Creature Commandos exists, and Pattinson's Batman is very very very much not designed to be up against the threats that a world like that has to offer, he's designed to be an urban crime fighter that'd be a big deal in a realistic world like our own and making the transition from that to one that can stand toe to toe with Mr. Terrific, Hawkgirl, Metamorpho, Green Lantern, let alone Superman would be very very very hard and kinda destroy the whole character in the process.
I don’t see a reason why those characters couldn’t have existed in the Batman universe. Just because those characters doesn’t mean they have to be mentioned?

I once again disagree with the idea of aesthetic contrast being a bad thing, when that’s interests me about it. The idea of a Batman as grounded as Pattinson existing in the same world as Metamorpho is what makes that crossover exciting

Gunn is on record saying this too, that he wants all of these properties to feel like they come from different WORLDS — just like the comics; that he doesn’t want them all cut from the same cloth e.g MCU. I don’t need Batman to wear trunks and be campy just because Superman does, if anything , that’s why he shouldn’t

People forget that Batman started out as a grounded detective in the comics too before intermingling with the fantastical
 
That is completely dependent on who wrote it.
It's such a tough nut to crack and it kinda inherently fills the entire character of Pattinson's Batman and its Gotham with so many holes I really do think that no matter who'd write it you'd kinda be doomed from the get-go. It's not even trying to fit a round peg on a square hole; it's trying to build an igloo on the Sahara desert. The DCU is very clearly not designed for a Batman like Pattinson's, and Pattinson's Batman isn't designed from the DCU.


I don’t see a reason why those characters couldn’t have existed in the Batman universe. Just because those characters doesn’t mean they have to be mentioned?

I once again disagree with the idea of aesthetic contrast being a bad thing, when that’s interests me about it. The idea of a Batman as grounded as Pattinson existing in the same world as Metamorpho is what makes that crossover exciting

Gunn is on record saying this too, that he wants all of these properties to feel like they come from different WORLDS — just like the comics; that he doesn’t want them all cut from the same cloth e.g MCU. I don’t need Batman to wear trunks and be campy just because Superman does, if anything , that’s why he shouldn’t

People forget that Batman started out as a grounded detective in the comics too before intermingling with the fantastical
But it isn't just an aesthetic thing dude. It's the entire foundation of Reeves Batman. Every single decision he made regarding that film and Pattinson's character was viewed through those lens. Matt went on the record about it. Batman is supposed to be the one fantastical thing in a realistic universe; he even said the only way a Superman crossover could work is if Superman is presented as yet another fantastical thing surrounded by realism, which is very much not what James is doing. The foundation for the DCU is that it's a world where heroes have existed for a long time and where all sorts of crazy nonsense is already commonplace.
 
It's such a tough nut to crack and it kinda inherently fills the entire character of Pattinson's Batman and its Gotham with so many holes I really do think that no matter who'd write it you'd kinda be doomed from the get-go. It's not even trying to fit a round peg on a square hole; it's trying to build an igloo on the Sahara desert. The DCU is very clearly not designed for a Batman like Pattinson's, and Pattinson's Batman isn't designed from the DCU.
Holes? The basis of any crossover, is the odd couple nature of it. Saying Battinson isn't built for the DCU itself is a faulty premise, as would be saying SuperCorn isn't built for Reeves' Batman.
 
Holes? The basis of any crossover, is the odd couple nature of it. Saying Battinson isn't built for the DCU itself is a faulty premise, as would be saying CorenSupes isn't built for Reeves' Batman.
If the Jimmy/Timmy Power Hour can exist, then I don't see why we can't force Matt Reeves into a cinematic universe.

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In what world is this eye roll worthy?
You can say that about any story idea. I can tell you "Yeah if they made a movie where suddenly Nolanverse Batman travelled to Mars and fought aliens it'd probably suck because it's a bad idea", or "Yeah if Joaquin's Joker suddenly met Gorilla Grodd and founded the Legion of Doom in Joker 3 that'd make no sense and would probably make for a bad movie" and you can say "but what if it was good though"
 
You can say that about any story idea. I can tell you "Yeah if they made a movie where suddenly Nolanverse Batman travelled to Mars and fought aliens it'd probably suck because it's a bad idea", or "Yeah if Joaquin's Joker suddenly met Gorilla Grodd and founded the Legion of Doom in Joker 3 that'd make no sense and would probably make for a bad movie" and you can say "but what if it was good though"
Ok but what if it was good though?
 
You can say that about any story idea. I can tell you "Yeah if they made a movie where suddenly Nolanverse Batman travelled to Mars and fought aliens it'd probably suck because it's a bad idea", or "Yeah if Joaquin's Joker suddenly met Gorilla Grodd and founded the Legion of Doom in Joker 3 that'd make no sense and would probably make for a bad movie" and you can say "but what if it was good though"
We're talking about a Batman/Superman crossover. A pretty common crossover. Sometimes bad, sometimes good, sometimes great.
 
We're talking about a Batman/Superman crossover. A pretty common crossover. Sometimes bad, sometimes good, sometimes great.
And we're talking about a very very very specific version of Batman that was built through some very specific lens and was very carefully crafted in every single way. You're also talking about a version of the DC Universe that likewise seems to have already an extremely clear and planned idea of what it is going for and has already laid a lot of groundwork for what its history is supposed to be even before anything from it released.

It's not just any Batman/Superman crossover, it's one with two universes fundamentally incompatible with each other in which to do a crossover you'd have to waste a lot of time trying to rationalize the existence of Pattinson's Batman in the DCU (and the fact he'd be able to keep up with the other heroes at all) and where you'd probably have to scrap stuff like the Teen Titans movie and who knows what other future plans they have. Not to mention probably entirely derail Pattinson's story.
 
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