The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[ArmsHeldOut]

Don't get your hopes up just yet. We still don't know if it was commissioned by the studio.

Update from Gunn

 

[J.Drangal]

Gunn commented on his account that this is "sort of true" as he's the one asking for new versions.
He also precised that it's normal process: you want the best for your project, especially when it comes to truly launching it.

I'm too lazy to get the tweet though...

EDIT: Here it is.




And since we were just talking about official arts and posters :

 

[Dr.]

Snow White is not going to get to $280 million and where are the MCU movies and Michael Jackson’s biopic????

Yeah… based on the negative/skeptical social media commentary, that figure for Snow White struck me as a tad high. OTOH… if $280M is half of a ~50/50 BO split (domestic/foreign), then it’s only in Little Mermaid territory. Not a huge hit — though not quite a complete bomb.

Likewise, if $310M is close to being right for Superman (and if the foreign BO at least matches that — and if fans and critics like it), then I presume most would count this as “success.”

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

Gunn’s Superman is probably not for you and that is ok. I would guess some people will like it or love it. Some, like you, won’t give it a chance.

You didn’t even read my post lol. I’m open to it being good and have high hopes. But I think it’ll be an uphill battle for you the audience. I think it has a good chance of failing.

I’m excited to see it. You didn’t read very carefully and just saw what you wanted to see. Any criticism against Gunn doesn’t mean I’m not going to give the movie a chance. What a joke, get a thicker skin bro. There’s nuance. I can be excited for the movie and still critical of things!

That Guy Gardner suit is fugly as hell. The 1997 JLA tv movie had a better Guy Gardner suit and that probably cost like $50 to make.

 

[dhandler01]

A lot of strange conversations popping up because of a tweet that they are finishing the trailer...

 

[Frodo]

I think...well...ever since Burton's Batman, Superman became yesterday's superhero to the majority of comic book fans and the average movie goers. It can be argued that Superman hasn't been popular for a long time.

I didn't see the majority of audiences getting excited for Superman Returns when the trailers came out. To many, it seemed like Superman was irrelevant and not interesting. Of course I will disagree.

I think in that international trailer for Superman Returns, they tried to make the film look a little more serious than it actually was, but I don't think audiences were interested. There are some small issues regarding the marketing of the movie which I think didn't help much to promote the film, particularly's Routh's suit. In some of the promotional photos, Routh just looked downright silly. Could've made a much cooler suit like Snyder's Superman. Ultimately, the suit wasn't the core problem of the film's failure. The story was incredibly mediocre and just...boooooring. The film embarassed me as a Superman fan. And Singer proved exactly what the general audience and kids of that generation all perceived Superman to be: lame.

Singer's Superman flew around, didn't have any super powered villains or fight any villains, and rarely spoke in the movie. And then the Kryptonite...mountain. Oh God...Singer was completely out of touch with the modern audience.

And wow...to this day I'm still very disappointed in 'Superman Returns'. That being said, I don't hate the film entirely. It has its moments, mostly in the first act until the elevator scene with Lois and Clark. From there, it just became super boring. Singer is a genius filmmaker, and he's made some great films, but 'Superman Returns' is not one of them. I think Singer's incompetence and refusal to read comic books is why the movie failed. Singer refused to use any of the original source material. From the guy that directed the first two X-Men movies, jeez, I expected to at least have a more interesting plot with some action sequences...and ideally, a super-powered villain. I remember at the time kids thinking the movie was so lame, but they looked forward to Spider-Man 3. And face it, those films were way more interesting and complex than 'Superman Returns'.

For the years that followed after 'Returns' and before Man of Steel was announced, I think Superman remained unpopular. (Thanks, Singer) But once critical names like Zack Snyder, and especially Christopher Nolan were on board, that attracted audiences.

I mentioned before that while I did like Man of Steel, that isn't to say that I didn't have problems with it. It is a divisive film and it is loaded with flaws. But when that first trailer for 'Man of Steel' came out, (not the teaser) which, if I recall was released in December 2012, the trailer really won the general audience over. People were interested and they wanted to see Superman. Mostly due to Christopher Nolan and Zack Snyder being attached to the film. According to some websites that I recall, Man of Steel was voted the most anticipated film of 2013. It looked refreshing, visually stunning. It looked like it was going to take Superman more seriously as if he really existed in our world. Non-Superman fans looked impressed. Ultimately, people were excited about Superman. If only the film had lived up to the hype...

And then Zack Snyder blew it...well, for some people, they did like it, and a small portion of people did become Superman fans. But it wasn't enough to impress the majority of the general audience, sadly. The disaster porn, lack of character development, people dying and Superman...no, there's too many problems to name.

But compare an old-fashioned superhero like Superman to Captain America.

In some aspects, I've always looked at Captain America as the Superman to Marvel movies. I'm not saying Cap and Supes are the same, but both characters share many of the same values, and they're both patriotic. But similar to Superman, Captain America was fairly unpopular for a time, until the Russo Brothers made 'Captain America: The Winter Soldier'. That movie kicked ass and made the former non-Captain America fans become actual Captain America fans. Captain America become cool.

That's what I want to see happen with Superman. I see some potential in James Gunn. Gunn is clearly passionate about the comic book characters and knows them well. I just hope the film isn't silly. I hope Gunn can prove to the general audience that Superman is cool. I hope he is at least aware of Superman's popularity of lack of popularity with the general audience. Ignorant people still argue with me to this day and conclude that Superman is lame even when they haven't watched a single Superman related media show or film.

*I feel like it might be worth mentioning that the Superman animated series in the 90's wasn't that great in comparison to the Batman animated series. And I like Superman more. In the animated series though, Superman was a little too straight and dull and didn't change his personality that much when he was Clark Kent, but I'm also talking about the voice actor, Tim Daly. He had a great voice for Superman, but I feel didn't provide enough sense of humor, which may be partially why his Superman came across as too boyscout and dull. Performance aside, I think some of the stories weren't that great in STAS, and I think the way the writers de-powered Superman was a bit irritating to say the least, but I understand why the writers wanted to de-power Superman, but it made Superman look weaker than he really should be. But in retrospect, I found that Superman was much better in the Justice League animated series. The final episode in Justice League Unlimited, showing Superman pummeling Darkseid was by far, Superman's greatest moment.

As someone who grew up in the Reeve era pre Keaton's Batman, It definitely felt like something of a shift after 1989.

Batman 89 changed things in alot of ways , and when the films , good or bad ,kept making money, rushing Superman to the big screen, just wasn't as big a priority .

To be fair, there were a number of factors playing into that, including weak scripts , a series of Superman related TV shows such as Superboy, Lois and Clark, and Smallville, etc.

But Batman definitely had become WB favorite child, so to speak.

Superman is still a beloved character and a pop culture icon , but at the same time, when the Reeves films were out , they basically the only serious game in town in term of Superhero films.

Yeah, there was the WW 70s show and the 70s Hulk show , but most live action Marvel product in the 90s was a joke .

They weren't serious competition to Batman or Superman.

But then in the 00s, Marvel got their acts together, live action wise, and we got X Men, and Spiderman , then eventually, the MCU .

Superman as a film character , is no longer unique in being the only one on the big screen, the way he was in the late 70s through the 80s.

We live in an era where, in one way or another , all of DC and Marvel's A list characters, have been exploited on the big, or small screen ,at least once .

That wasn't the case when I was growing up and was searching through Blockbuster , Wearhouse, and Tower Records video, looking for rare superhero tv movies and serials.

In the 90s , I had always hoped we'd have the world we have today where Superhero films were just another genre like cop films or dramas, but ironically, it meant that an OG character like Superman would have to contend with a parade of newer characters , as far as the GA was concerned.

There also wasn't an abundance of live action Superhero tv shows back in the day .

So the landscape has definitely changed from when Superman , as a film property, was at the top of the world.

 

[emielaen]

A lot of strange conversations popping up because of a tweet that they are finishing the trailer...

Everything involving the DCU is being transposed into drama. People seem to be on the look out for bumps in the road and reasons to think it can and will fail.

 

[Lily Adler]

 

[DCDAVE]

You didn’t even read my post lol. I’m open to it being good and have high hopes. But I think it’ll be an uphill battle for you the audience. I think it has a good chance of failing.

I’m excited to see it. You didn’t read very carefully and just saw what you wanted to see. Any criticism against Gunn doesn’t mean I’m not going to give the movie a chance. What a joke, get a thicker skin bro. There’s nuance. I can be excited for the movie and still critical of things!

That Guy Gardner suit is fugly as hell. The 1997 JLA tv movie had a better Guy Gardner suit and that probably cost like $50 to make.

Happy Thanksgiving. Hopefully you will give it a chance. Guy Gardner’s Laterns suit has always been ugly even in the comics. There is reason Gunn has Gardner looking and acting the way he does. If you look at all of Gunn’s DC live action movie and Max shows, the costumes look weird and different. After you get into the characters you kind of forget about what they look like. Peacemaker and Vigilante come to mind.

 

[emielaen]

That Guy Gardner suit is fugly as hell. The 1997 JLA tv movie had a better Guy Gardner suit and that probably cost like $50 to make.

Lol we just saying anything at this point.

 

[Alien Anal]

As someone who grew up in the Reeve era pre Keaton's Batman, It definitely felt like something of a shift after 1989.

Batman 89 changed things in alot of ways , and when the films , good or bad ,kept making money, rushing Superman to the big screen, just wasn't as big a priority .

To be fair, there were a number of factors playing into that, including weak scripts , a series of Superman related TV shows such as Superboy, Lois and Clark, and Smallville, etc.

But Batman definitely had become WB favorite child, so to speak.

Superman is still a beloved character and a pop culture icon , but at the same time, when the Reeves films were out , they basically the only serious game in town in term of Superhero films.

Yeah, there was the WW 70s show and the 70s Hulk show , but most live action Marvel product in the 90s was a joke .

They weren't serious competition to Batman or Superman.

But then in the 00s, Marvel got their acts together, live action wise, and we got X Men, and Spiderman , then eventually, the MCU .

Superman as a film character , is no longer unique in being the only one on the big screen, the way he was in the late 70s through the 80s.

We live in an era where, in one way or another , all of DC and Marvel's A list characters, have been exploited on the big, or small screen ,at least once .

That wasn't the case when I was growing up and was searching through Blockbuster , Wearhouse, and Tower Records video, looking for rare superhero tv movies and serials.

In the 90s , I had always hoped we'd have the world we have today where Superhero films were just another genre like cop films or dramas, but ironically, it meant that an OG character like Superman would have to contend with a parade of newer characters , as far as the GA was concerned.

There also wasn't an abundance of live action Superhero tv shows back in the day .

So the landscape has definitely changed from when Superman , as a film property, was at the top of the world.

Oh man I know this so bad, I would take to any film that featured powers. Meteor Man was a classic. Alex Mac (the TV series) and many more...I just wanted to see good folks with powers doing good. I'm 37 so I have been waiting for the Superman film that makes me want to show others.

 

[DyeLorean]

A lot of "internal" conversations from the business that surely happens all the time should stay internal, in my opinion. There's this constant urge from scoopers to drop every single bit of news that I don't think is healthy or worthy in any way.

There was this podcast with Nicholas Hoult where he talked about how weird it was to have everyone know how his different auditions went. Same with this trailer thing. There's a lot of "news" that are not relevant to the final product/project. It's all part of the process.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[Frodo]

Oh man I know this so bad, I would take to any film that featured powers. Meteor Man was a classic. Alex Mac (the TV series) and many more...I just wanted to see good folks with powers doing good. I'm 37 so I have been waiting for the Superman film that makes me want to show others.

I remember Blankman and 90s TV shows like Night Man, M.A.N.T.I.S. , and My Secret Identity .




I was a bit too young to catch The Greatest American Hero, but I watched the pilot episode , and it actually wasn't bad .


It wasn't till recently that I saw that John Ritter made a superhero comedy film called Hero At Large

 

[hopefuldreamer]

As someone who grew up in the Reeve era pre Keaton's Batman, It definitely felt like something of a shift after 1989.

Batman 89 changed things in alot of ways , and when the films , good or bad ,kept making money, rushing Superman to the big screen, just wasn't as big a priority .

To be fair, there were a number of factors playing into that, including weak scripts , a series of Superman related TV shows such as Superboy, Lois and Clark, and Smallville, etc.

But Batman definitely had become WB favorite child, so to speak.

Superman is still a beloved character and a pop culture icon , but at the same time, when the Reeves films were out , they basically the only serious game in town in term of Superhero films.

Yeah, there was the WW 70s show and the 70s Hulk show , but most live action Marvel product in the 90s was a joke .

They weren't serious competition to Batman or Superman.

But then in the 00s, Marvel got their acts together, live action wise, and we got X Men, and Spiderman , then eventually, the MCU .

Superman as a film character , is no longer unique in being the only one on the big screen, the way he was in the late 70s through the 80s.

We live in an era where, in one way or another , all of DC and Marvel's A list characters, have been exploited on the big, or small screen ,at least once .

That wasn't the case when I was growing up and was searching through Blockbuster , Wearhouse, and Tower Records video, looking for rare superhero tv movies and serials.

In the 90s , I had always hoped we'd have the world we have today where Superhero films were just another genre like cop films or dramas, but ironically, it meant that an OG character like Superman would have to contend with a parade of newer characters , as far as the GA was concerned.

There also wasn't an abundance of live action Superhero tv shows back in the day .

So the landscape has definitely changed from when Superman , as a film property, was at the top of the world.

Oh man I know this so bad, I would take to any film that featured powers. Meteor Man was a classic. Alex Mac (the TV series) and many more...I just wanted to see good folks with powers doing good. I'm 37 so I have been waiting for the Superman film that makes me want to show others.

Also 37. Also hard relate it's such a different world now!

 

[Deck Rickard]

I remember Blankman and 90s TV shows like Night Man, M.A.N.T.I.S. , and My Secret Identity .

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It wasn't till recently that I saw that John Ritter made a superhero comedy film called Hero At Large
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LOL Night Man. The comic it was based on wasn’t half bad but God, that show was a joke. I remember the scenes of him flying. It looked like the Dude’s dream sequence in The Big Lebowski.

 

[GreenKToo]

Superman has a huge chance of failure. Most people don’t care about Superman anymore, and audiences have been burned on the character over and over since Superman III. There hasn’t been a crowd pleasing/critically acclaimed Superman movie since 1980. I can see this failing pretty badly and I bet WB will be super reactionary like they always are.

I have high hopes for this but unfortunately this movie will live in the shadow of the previous failures. Snyder really ****ed all of us over.

I still don’t like the costume or the apparent villain selection. God we should’ve had Brainiac already wtf! I also think the suits for the other heroes are appallingly bad. Guy’s suit is somehow worse than Reynolds’ GL suit. So already from a costuming perspective I’m not on board. Doesn’t really matter that much if the movie is good.

Definitely an uphill battle all around. I’m not sold on Gunn being the guy to handle this universe. He’s made some real questionable decisions - Creature Commandos being the first project, the picking and choosing elements of the DCEU to keep, Authority getting so much focus (not a fan!). We will see but it would be naive to think Gunn is definitely going to be able to execute his 10 year plan. I can see things changing quickly if Superman isn’t a smash hit.

I feel that it could "only" make 600 mill to 650 mill WW, but be a critical success and an audience pleaser after the fact, and get several sequels.

By the same token, it could make 800 mill ww, but be a total explosion exposition garbage fest that gets a low critical score and divides the fans and public yet again, killing all hope for the future.

We just don't know. The trailer will give us a fairly good idea on either yay or nay.

We shall soon see.

 

[GreenKToo]

You didn’t even read my post lol. I’m open to it being good and have high hopes. But I think it’ll be an uphill battle for you the audience. I think it has a good chance of failing.

I’m excited to see it. You didn’t read very carefully and just saw what you wanted to see. Any criticism against Gunn doesn’t mean I’m not going to give the movie a chance. What a joke, get a thicker skin bro. There’s nuance. I can be excited for the movie and still critical of things!

That Guy Gardner suit is fugly as hell. The 1997 JLA tv movie had a better Guy Gardner suit and that probably cost like $50 to make.

I'm cautiously optimistic. B vs S burnt me badly.
So, they'll be no "omg!! A billion is a lock" talk from me.
As I already said, I think 600 mill and positive critic and audience scores should be considered a success.
But I'm not in charge, so.......

 

[GreenKToo]

As someone who grew up in the Reeve era pre Keaton's Batman, It definitely felt like something of a shift after 1989.

Batman 89 changed things in alot of ways , and when the films , good or bad ,kept making money, rushing Superman to the big screen, just wasn't as big a priority .

To be fair, there were a number of factors playing into that, including weak scripts , a series of Superman related TV shows such as Superboy, Lois and Clark, and Smallville, etc.

But Batman definitely had become WB favorite child, so to speak.

Superman is still a beloved character and a pop culture icon , but at the same time, when the Reeves films were out , they basically the only serious game in town in term of Superhero films.

Yeah, there was the WW 70s show and the 70s Hulk show , but most live action Marvel product in the 90s was a joke .

They weren't serious competition to Batman or Superman.

But then in the 00s, Marvel got their acts together, live action wise, and we got X Men, and Spiderman , then eventually, the MCU .

Superman as a film character , is no longer unique in being the only one on the big screen, the way he was in the late 70s through the 80s.

We live in an era where, in one way or another , all of DC and Marvel's A list characters, have been exploited on the big, or small screen ,at least once .

That wasn't the case when I was growing up and was searching through Blockbuster , Wearhouse, and Tower Records video, looking for rare superhero tv movies and serials.

In the 90s , I had always hoped we'd have the world we have today where Superhero films were just another genre like cop films or dramas, but ironically, it meant that an OG character like Superman would have to contend with a parade of newer characters , as far as the GA was concerned.

There also wasn't an abundance of live action Superhero tv shows back in the day .

So the landscape has definitely changed from when Superman , as a film property, was at the top of the world.

THIS Superman needs his "Saving Lois and the helicopter" scene for his first reveal.

We need a scene that makes you want to yell f$%k yeah!, And make us clap seeing his first reveal to us. Blaring score playing, huge stakes, etc etc.

I think Gunn knows and understands this, and He will give us that in Superman's first reveal, shirt rip and all.
It should be something random, and not connected to the villains at all, just a huge "normal" save by him.
Maybe it's the train scene from the.poster? Maybe not.

 

[Mysteryman]

I keep thinking about the pre MOS days and how many topics of convo and speculation we had going, discussing all our hopes and desires for the movie, what we thought was important to include...

And how this time around, there's so much less of that because we seem to all be in the 'I'll just be happy if its a good movie and he doesn't snap any necks ' headspace, not daring to vocalise hope for any anything specific...

Or is that just me?

Well, I REALLY like the idea that he won’t be snapping any necks!

 

[Mysteryman]

Some of you acting like this will be a Brave New World crisis.

I tend to judge movies based on the final product. Even MCU films.

 

[Mysteryman]

Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[Black Narcissus]

400m but will limp on to the second phase. They have no choice at this point. Eh.

 

[dhandler01]

I think some of you are way overthinking this...

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Well, I REALLY like the idea that he won’t be snapping any necks!

It's a simple dream