The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[X Knight]

I feel like this film is gonna shock a lot of people. Gunn seems to really be making sure everything has a reason for existing, and that the film MUST work. His approach to all of this, based on those articles, is very impressive imo.

The proof will be in the pudding as they say, starting with the first trailer this Thursday. But I agree. Everything that I've heard (and seen) has given me reason to be hopeful. Except maybe the costume which I'm still a little iffy on in terms of some design choices.

However, I've been burned twice now by new Superman projects. First with Superman Returns and then with MOS and the Snyderverse. So I'm trying not to get my hopes too high this time around.

 

[Tra-El]

Oh yeah that montage. Set to somber music. Felt more like Superman was going through the Labors of Hercules or some kind of trial. Definitely hopeful and inspirational.

The simmer of Zimmers score to a low boil within the context of the scene was visual storytelling at its best. Zack's wheelhouse. No worries, we'll have it all. We're going to get everything with Gunn's version. A full cinematic library for everyone.

 

[Sverdlovski]

I haven't watched the ZSJL and I'm not sure I want to.

Do watch it. Now that the Snyderverse is dead and buried, it can't hurt us anylonger.

 

[donuts]

Snyder directly quoted All Star in the Jor El teaser.

Which doesn't mean that it was much of an influence on the movie. In fact, it wasn't. Secret Origin and Earth One seemed to be more of an influence. Together with Superman: The Movie and Superman II.

 

[dhandler01]

Batman has explored Dick Grayson twice out of 9 films. 25 years ago. Skipping all him, and possibly Jason, AND Tim....for batbrat....but we'll deal with that when it gets more movement

Dick is one of my favorite characters...but I think he becomes problematic in a film because he ages Batman and, well, it is kind of a creepy story that Bruce Wayne "adopts" the kid and then trains him to become a sidekick who then grows up to become a hero just like him. I can see where the idea that his estranged son with Talia, who has been trained previous to their meeting, would be a bit more palatable in the modern era. It just sucks that we likely will never see Nightwing. I can do without Todd and Tim Drake was hit or miss for me as a reader. (he was fun as a detective on his own and great in Teen Titans/Young Justice but his sidekick status for Batman was pretty bland for me)

Again I would rather have Dick Grayson, but I can also see the counter argument.

 

[dhandler01]

You skipped Stephanie.

Did he?

 

[Still Wynning]

I always said that even though Gunn has his distractors and even though he moves weirdly at times, he has a pulse on the things he manages and is in control of, including the GA. This all sounds promising.View attachment 115524

One of the things I really like about James Gunn is that, in addition to being really good at planning things out ahead of time, he is also flexible enough to knows when needing to pivot, go in a different direction and/or add something that he didn’t think of before by someone else. That story about David Corenswet and keeping the trunks is a great example. If it had never been brought up, then he wouldn’t have thought of it. That’s why collaborating with and having the input of other people on film and TV series is so important. You need that extra perspective to see what you can’t or didn’t.

It’s almost the exact opposite approach of Kevin Feige who, despite saying he is flexible and can change things on the fly when he needs to, is still held back by his need to constantly adhere to continuity and make sure nothing contradicts anything else, and the MCU has gotten so bogged down by it that it has pretty much for the most part become the main point and driving force of that universe. Filmmakers who really want to leave their stamp ultimately can’t because they still have to follow what the universe is engaged in at that time.

During Phases 4 and 5, even though a lot of filmmakers got the opportunity to experiment, the projects that did try something different weren’t able to reach their full potential because the need to rush things out clashed with the need to keep continuity, leading to series and films that had to be shuffled and moved around and given last minute re-shoots which resulted in a lot of rushed VFX and some really poor writing. But, instead of taking accountability for having a hand in all of those projects failing, they decided to go back to the well of nostalgia and old characters and are now afraid of trying anything new.

If Feige took a few pages out of James Gunn’s approach to the DCU for the MCU and just concentrated on letting great filmmakers do their own thing and make great movies/series, I guarantee the quality of their output would increase significantly.

 

[dhandler01]

Grows a MULLET?

Yeah some artists had him with a mullet when he was Nightwing.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Do watch it. Now that the Snyderverse is dead and buried, it can't hurt us anylonger.

I keep trying, but every time I get so bored I give up When it first came out I fell asleep half way through. I have tried revisiting it repeatedly because I have a thing about watching all Superman content... but it's apparently my everest

 

[dhandler01]

“You will give the people of earth an ideal to strive to…” that whole “they will join you in the sun” speech is straight from All Star.

Look Snyder may have lifted lines from All-Star but nothing about his Superman was anything like the Superman in All Star.

 

[Babillygunn]

Which doesn't mean that it was much of an influence on the movie. In fact, it wasn't. Secret Origin and Earth One seemed to be more of an influence. Together with Superman: The Movie and Superman II.

Look Snyder may have lifted lines from All-Star but nothing about his Superman was anything like the Superman in All Star.

I think you and I actually agree. I’m probably just doing a crummy job of expressing myself.

I guess I’d say that Snyder used it as a source, the same way that he used DKR, but he misunderstood the themes and story and just plucked the dialogue and/or visuals. It was still an influence. It just wasn’t used well.

 

[Mysteryman]

Do watch it. Now that the Snyderverse is dead and buried, it can't hurt us anylonger.

Yes. Do watch it.
But it,s 4 hours long.
PLAN YOUR BATHROOM BREAKS!

 

[Lily Adler]

Yes. Do watch it.
But it,s 4 hours long.
PLAN YOUR BATHROOM BREAKS!

I had to pace myself because the Flash and Cyborg sequences were just too long.

 

[Lily Adler]

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I think you and I actually agree. I’m probably just doing a crummy job of expressing myself.

I guess I’d say that Snyder used it as a source, the same way that he used DKR, but he misunderstood the themes and story and just plucked the dialogue and/or visuals. It was still an influence. It just wasn’t used well.

That guy looks so familiar.

 

[dhandler01]

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I think you and I actually agree. I’m probably just doing a crummy job of expressing myself.

I guess I’d say that Snyder used it as a source, the same way that he used DKR, but he misunderstood the themes and story and just plucked the dialogue and/or visuals. It was still an influence. It just wasn’t used well.

If you can't get the theme right it isn't a source. I agree with donuts Secret Origin and Earth One were actual influences. Goyer obviously read All Star but he didn't really use it outside of lifting lines.

I get what you are saying, I just disagree

 

[Babillygunn]

If you can't get the theme right it isn't a source. I agree with donuts Secret Origin and Earth One were actual influences. Goyer obviously read All Star but he didn't really use it outside of lifting lines.

I get what you are saying, I just disagree

Trust me, I’ve tried to argue that plagiarizing someone else’s work word for word is ok because it isn’t a “source.”

It didn’t work in high school and it doesn’t work today!

 

[Babillygunn]

If you can't get the theme right it isn't a source. I agree with donuts Secret Origin and Earth One were actual influences. Goyer obviously read All Star but he didn't really use it outside of lifting lines.

I get what you are saying, I just disagree

And I also have to add:

“I agree with donuts” might be my life’s motto.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

If you can't get the theme right it isn't a source. I agree with donuts Secret Origin and Earth One were actual influences. Goyer obviously read All Star but he didn't really use it outside of lifting lines.

I get what you are saying, I just disagree

And Last Son IMO.

 

[Still Wynning]

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I think you and I actually agree. I’m probably just doing a crummy job of expressing myself.

I guess I’d say that Snyder used it as a source, the same way that he used DKR, but he misunderstood the themes and story and just plucked the dialogue and/or visuals. It was still an influence. It just wasn’t used well.

That’s kind of par for the course for Zack Snyder’s approach to anything he makes, especially comic book films, but just about anything. He’ll take a direct line word for word and homage a scene shot for shot because it looks and sounds cool on a surface level, but it lacks any of the original context that made that scene work because he doesn’t actually understand it.

It’s the equivalent of a teenager cutting out all of his favorite panels from his favorite comic books and pasting him together on a piece of paper, or straight up tracing and copying already established art, taking an art class and going through Philosophy 101, claiming he’s a great artist and knows what he made is saying something really meaningful and profoundly important. But, really, he’s not actually saying anything of substance at all and doesn’t know what he’s actually saying.

Zack Snyder is basically just a teenager who took basic philosophy and pastes and/or traces a bunch of cool looking pictures together on a piece of paper and says, “This is important! This is symbolic! It means something!”

 

[Primal Slayer]

Dick is one of my favorite characters...but I think he becomes problematic in a film because he ages Batman and, well, it is kind of a creepy story that Bruce Wayne "adopts" the kid and then trains him to become a sidekick who then grows up to become a hero just like him. I can see where the idea that his estranged son with Talia, who has been trained previous to their meeting, would be a bit more palatable in the modern era. It just sucks that we likely will never see Nightwing. I can do without Todd and Tim Drake was hit or miss for me as a reader. (he was fun as a detective on his own and great in Teen Titans/Young Justice but his sidekick status for Batman was pretty bland for me)

Again I would rather have Dick Grayson, but I can also see the counter argument.

We've gone from wanting a comic accurate Superman down to the underwear but draw the line at Dick Grayson as Robin? That's not a good argument for this world

 

[DKDetective]

Dick is one of my favorite characters...but I think he becomes problematic in a film because he ages Batman and, well, it is kind of a creepy story that Bruce Wayne "adopts" the kid and then trains him to become a sidekick who then grows up to become a hero just like him. I can see where the idea that his estranged son with Talia, who has been trained previous to their meeting, would be a bit more palatable in the modern era. It just sucks that we likely will never see Nightwing. I can do without Todd and Tim Drake was hit or miss for me as a reader. (he was fun as a detective on his own and great in Teen Titans/Young Justice but his sidekick status for Batman was pretty bland for me)

Again I would rather have Dick Grayson, but I can also see the counter argument.

I honestly think Gunn is skipping Duck because Reeves has already claimed him. The Penguin has made extremely clear that Reeves has a lot of interest in the rise of the freaks period in Gotham's history and is drawing a lot from Dark Victory. We also know he is a huge fan of the 60s series and how pivotal Bruce and Dick's relationship is to that version.

I think Reeves is telling the story about how a young, angry Bruce who was broken by his parents' deaths rebuilds his life and becomes a real hero and a father figure by giving another victim of similar circumstances a second chance at a family.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Kinda weird but "no universe building" sounds like music to my ears. A few years ago I would've been disappointed.


Top Gun Maverick has the right tone for a modern Superman movie, imo.

(Superman lands in a small town after just getting the pulp beat out of him in an aerial battle)

Superman: Where am I?

Kid: Earth.

 

[Deck Rickard]

That guy looks so familiar.

You might remember him from this.

 

[Still Wynning]

(Superman lands in a small town after just getting the pulp beat out of him in an aerial battle)

Superman: Where am I?

Kid: Earth.

That scene from Top Gun: Maverick is the sort of tone and kind of humor that would totally be in line with the kind of Superman film that I want.

Just imagine, a scene of this super tall buff guy in a dirty and battered blue suit and red cape and trunks just walking into a diner on route 66 one morning, trailing in a bit of dirt, casually ordering some pancakes with a side of sausage and a glass of orange juice, awkwardly waiting and looking around, and then a shot everyone looking at him in shocked and confused awe.

*Superman patiently and awkwardly looks around while waiting for his order at the counter, and catches a glance of all the customers who, originally just enjoying a nice breakfast and casual conversation, suddenly find themselves staring out of surprise at this man in red and blue tights who decided to order a meal. Even the loud clinking of people dropping their own utensils couldn’t break them out of their stunned stupor.*

*cut to a shot of little girl, probably about four or five, eyes and mouth wide open in stunned awe and silence*

Superman, casually trying to break the ice: “Rough flight. Lot of turbulence.”

*cut back to wide shot of everyone in diner, still with stunned expressions, maybe one or two slowly nodding their heads*

I mean, it practically writes itself.

 

[Lily Adler]

You might remember him from this.

Apparently he's from Bones.