The Flash The Flash Season 3 Episode 8 - "Invasion"

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You know Kara, if things get too tough...you could always tell Barry and Cisco to make another trip for these guys...:o:cwink:

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And I guess Barry's Flashpoint must have made him forget about another pair of costumed residents...

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You know Kara, if things get too tough...you could always tell Barry and Cisco to make another trip for these guys...:o:cwink:

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And I guess Barry's Flashpoint must have made him forget about another pair of costumed residents...

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why would Cisco need to make a trip for the hawk's? they're on their world of earth 1 and I don't think the fan base want to see them after Guggenheim admitted his writing team were tired of writing for the characters with the plot his team made to make them boring.


I doubt we'll see superman and j'onn used this year. we'll just have to wait for the thanagar invasion the legends causally forgot. H Vs A 2
 
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Okay, the Supergirl episode was a 6/10 but the Flash episode I give it a 10/10.

It wasn't Shakespeare but it was the best Supergirl I've seen to date.

The rest of the characters were nicely balanced - Cisco was wounded enough without being sulky.

And it had the freaking HALL OF JUSTICE !!!!!!

Barry really comes to terms with his colossal screw up, and gets his weekly pep talk - but let's face it Ollie does it better than anyone.

Amell has been great in that role from day one, and in the cross-overs he really steps it up. I reckon he's the one actor who could graduate to a big screen superhero or action role.

I mean, if Barry has trauma, Ollie has it 10 times worse.

Best of all, even with alien threats and all the rest the show still doesn't take
itself too seriously ( "Best team up ev-er ! ")

This episode was everything I love about the Berlanti shows !

Sometimes they're cheesy rubbish, but this one was awesome ! (Yes the CGI was a bit weak at time, but hey cut them some slack it's a TV show, not a movie).
 
itself too seriously ( "Best team up ev-er ! ")

This episode was everything I love about the Berlanti shows !

Sometimes they're cheesy rubbish, but this one was awesome ! (Yes the CGI was a bit weak at time, but hey cut them some slack it's a TV show, not a movie).
well no one was dumping on the CGI. just the story and characters here and there isn't much of problem just an attitude problem with some of themand hypocrite issu7e they won't admit to .

while i have seen some better CGI like JMS's Babylon 5 befor he went to comic's(spiderman ) just like josh whedon did who are both known marvel writers ,now &n days after their big breaks on tv .

I've never once dumped on the tv shows where special effect are involved with super heroes.

But it's clear both Jame Micheal strajinski and whedon's studio's house should be in production again where special effects are needed for the tv side.
But seeing they work for marvel... that said the SFX are fine.
 
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why would Cisco need to make a trip for the hawk's? they're on their world of earth 1 and I don't think the fan base want to see them after Guggenheim admitted his writing team were tired of writing for the characters with the plot his team made to make them boring.


I doubt we'll see superman and j'onn used this year. we'll just have to wait for the thanagar invasion the legends causally forgot. H Vs A 2

Haha; yeah, I know that we won't see either Superman or MM in this year's crossover. I hope next year's different though.

And what I meant, in regards to the Hawks, was that I wonder why Barry never went looking to recruit the Hawks as well for the mission.

"Primal Slayer" also pointed out on how it was odd that they didn't bother giving a reason as to why they didn't call for the Present day Vixen.

In any case, I already find this year's Crossover to be better than the last. Namely because we don't have to sit through the overdramatic portrayal of Vandal Savage. And I'll take the current Team Legends and Supergirl over the Hawks any day of the week.

This episode, while the first part of the crossover, already felt like an EVENT episode.
 
Haha; yeah, I know that we won't see either Superman or MM in this year's crossover. I hope next year's different though.

And what I meant, in regards to the Hawks, was that I wonder why Barry never went looking to recruit the Hawks as well for the mission.

"Primal Slayer" also pointed out on how it was odd that they didn't bother giving a reason as to why they didn't call for the Present day Vixen.

In any case, I already find this year's Crossover to be better than the last. Namely because we don't have to sit through the overdramatic portrayal of Vandal Savage. And I'll take the current Team Legends and Supergirl over the Hawks any day of the week.

This episode, while the first part of the crossover, already felt like an EVENT episode.


it's true it's step up. and done well. lol I don't know about present day vixen meeting her grand mother. but there's that was the saying about knowing too much about your future? << :Excuse wise any way. And I'm sure it's was both budget & issues of the writers never getting the idea in the first place.



Lastly with the rushed pace they are going at in the shows with things plot wise, people won't be satisfied with Amaya meeting her grand kid that way.
 
I'll take this episode over MoS or BvS any day.

Well then, your taste is questionable.

That said, I'm not a hater of CWverse. I've accepted it for what it is rather than being pissed off about how potentially better it could be.

I dug the episode, but I still find the Hawks crossover better so far.
 
Basically this inspired by the original comic massive crossover event in the DC Universe published in 1989,

The massive 3-issue miniseries from 1988 is collected for the first time! In this universe- spanning saga, the deadly but emotionless Dominators have come to Earth to wipe out the threat posed by metahumans. But what is the real reason for their attack?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion!_(DC_Comics)

I have the original books in my collection. :)
 
You know Kara, if things get too tough...you could always tell Barry and Cisco to make another trip for these guys...:o:cwink:

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And I guess Barry's Flashpoint must have made him forget about another pair of costumed residents...

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they should have waited to reveal that they found a cures for J'onn, so at least they'd have a excuse not to use him... as for Superman, that seems kinda over kill... they really only brought in Supergirl as an expert on aliens (not for the added muscle)

an if were going to play the "they could've brought in" game the legends literally could gather heroes from throw out history/ or even from the future

I mean the legends left behind two members (Vixen, Steel) of their current team during this first encounter... so obviously they didn't consider it an all hands a deck situation... let alone bring in anyone else

and given how the scene played out... that was probably for the better
 
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So, I dropped off from The Flash 3/4ths of the way into season 2, the show just wasn't grabbing my attention like it was in season 1 and I felt that they were just repeating the same beats over and over and things were just getting way too silver agey cheesy for me. So I stopped watching and Arrow is the only Berlanti show I follow. I have to say, though, last night's episode was SO much fun. This was an example of the potential the Berlanti shows can reach. The melodrama is still there and still brings it down but the good far outweighed the bad, the banter between the characters, the action was on point (LOVED Flash's "race" with Supergirl) and everything just seemed to hit the mark. And, man, the CGI and special effects are the best I've ever seen on a network tv show, I don't know how they're finding the budget for this.

I, now, MAY consider catching up with Flash as the crossove's got me interested again but I hear this season's been kind of spinning its wheels, too.
 
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Warning this is mostly random thoughts thrown out in the order they occurred to me.

I don't really follow Supergirl but is the first time her Earth got a designation or was that in the previous cross-over as well?

Thought it was weird they didn't come down in the Waverider to begin with. Though it actually makes sense that you don't want the aliens getting their hands on it. Writing out Steel/Vixen was a bit odd but you've already got loads and loads of characters.

Supergirl is actually leagues above everyone else, that was to be expected but completely no-selling even a strike from Barry's Lightening and Firestorm Fire Blasts really drives it home how much. Like does Earth 1 even have kyrptonite.

So are Stein's episodes him adjusting to Barry's changes in the timeline or his own interactions with his younger self?

The west's not wanting Wally to help with the "seige" on Star Labs came across a little dumb. Barry + Ollie were in no way going to manage that fight, Though both Barry and Wally could have disarmed Heatwave, Sara , Speedy and Spartan without too much effort which could have been really helpful.

Dominators were cool with the disintegration but leaving their mind control spire thing unguarded is just moronic. Supergirl somehow knew the president was in the building, despite only seeing a figure and not actually knowing who the president on this earth is... The fact that everyone didn't immediately go "its a trap" when they didn't see, hear or otherwise notice any dominator presence is just stupid.

Heatwave/Supergirl interactions were pretty good. Cisco has the right amount of angst.

Why did the Dominators just send everyone on rampage instead of you know, using them somewhat tactically, does the spire have two setting (Rampage and Off) ?

What does it matter the Barry changed the timeline to these people, to the Legends okay, they were outside the changes but to everyone else YOUR life didn't change, it was always that way. There was someone else, in some other time-line that's life was a little bit different. Diggle in particular, you still have a child that you presumably love, you didn't know baby Sara, what does it matter?

They've kind of glossed over that the Barry they have now isn't their Barry but some other Barry from another time-line. Where did their Barry go, the original time-line?

No-one wants to see the Hawks back, they can stay away. Though I admit in-universe they aren't really treating it as an all hands on deck situation or you'd have present Vixen, the Hawks and whatever one-shot ally that's appeared. If they'd brought Superman over he'd be the clear leader, he's got a decade of experience fighting all sorts including Aliens, he's the most powerful and he's not a lead in any of the shows it makes sense out-of-universe to exclude him.


Watching the Supergirl "part" of this crossover was really un-needed, I guess that's good since I just skipped through it at random.
 
My God the editing was so painfully choppy, I could barely sit through it. It was a fun episode and I'll be watching the next instalments, but I almost never like crossover episodes - I think they're gimmicky and blatant ratings fodder.

I think the thing that most excited me in this episode was the [BLACKOUT]erasure of the Iris West-Allen byline[/BLACKOUT]. Definitely one of the most interesting twists so far and looking forward to see what it amounts to.
 
Diggle always amuses me when he leaves Star City.

I find the whole Arrow cast so much more likable when they are in The Flash. They are less grim and miserable. Diggle be astonished by super stuff never gets old.
 
Well then, your taste is questionable.

That said, I'm not a hater of CWverse. I've accepted it for what it is rather than being pissed off about how potentially better it could be.

I dug the episode, but I still find the Hawks crossover better so far.

Yeah, on a technical level it's inferior... but it was fun, interesting, and felt like a live action comic. Three things the Snyderverse has none of.

Sorry for the comparison but it's how I felt.
 
Yes, the Legends were hypocrites about this. Cisco and Caitlin's anger I can get, also Diggle's. But the LOT people have been messing around with the timelines constantly and being very unconcerned with the ramifications of it.

I liked that Oliver and Kara stuck by him.

Supergirl being played up as so powerful was great.

Heatwave was great, and his interactions with Supergirl were hilarious.

I'm probably in the minority, but I didn't care much for the "mind-control" detour. I find it to be a lazy and overused cliché anyway. And here, it just felt like an excuse for them to fight each other (and also to keep SG from wiping the floor with everyone herself).

And I especially didn't like that it happened to Thea because, she's been mind-controlled/manipulated enough as it is. It's almost a running joke at this point.

I get not wanting to bring the "newbies" in for various reasons. But not calling in say, Vixen and Steel, a bit harder to justify. Probably a time/budget issue, which is fair. But it does make for a wonky in[universe gap regardless.
 
That is true...it would have been funny to see the other attempts, but as far as Supergirl, I'm glad that they allowed it to have its own full episode since it was the Winter finale....the other shows are not going to miss out on that since theirs is next week....so I think it all worked out for the best.

I wonder why Supergirl ends a week earlier than the other shows yet started a week later than Arrow and Flash. It seems they could have had Supergirl more involved with the cross-over this week if they would have had the Supergirl winter finale next week instead.
 
I'll take this episode over MoS or BvS any day.

Well then, your taste is questionable.
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How so? This is far superior to anything Warner Bros. has done in the DCEU as far as story, characters, excitement. All the DCEU has going for it is multi-million dollar special effects, which more get in the way of the story than help it. The DECU is just basically a 3 hour video game, but with even less of a story than a video game. From my point of view anyone that prefers the DCEU has questionable tastes.
 
How so? This is far superior to anything Warner Bros. has done in the DCEU as far as story, characters, excitement. All the DCEU has going for it is multi-million dollar special effects, which more get in the way of the story than help it. The DECU is just basically a 3 hour video game, but with even less of a story than a video game. From my point of view anyone that prefers the DCEU has questionable tastes.

Isn't taste by itself subjective? One person's desire or likes don't make them any more valid or better than another's.

I'd agree that Warner Bros., Geoff Johns, or whomever could take some notes or cues from the shows, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that anyone who prefers the films to the shows should have their taste or preference called into question.
 
Isn't taste by itself subjective? One person's desire or likes don't make them any more valid or better than another's.

I'd agree that Warner Bros., Geoff Johns, or whomever could take some notes or cues from the shows, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that anyone who prefers the films to the shows should have their taste or preference called into question.

Nor should the people who prefer the TV shows to the movies have their tastes called questionable. I at least stated my reasons to the other poster why I prefer the Berlanti-verse to the DC Extended Universe.
Rather than just make a blanket statement that anyone who prefers this to MoS and BvS has questionable tastes, without giving a reason why.
 
Btw, do you guys think that Cisco was completely justified in how he was handling things regarding Barry in this episode?
 
Yeah, the Legends have no business going after Barry. They have ****ed up more stuff than he has.
The Legends really shouldn't dare talk about that. :woot:

The episode was nice, nice to everyone together.
 
Btw, do you guys think that Cisco was completely justified in how he was handling things regarding Barry in this episode?

If (in this timeline) Cisco's brother was killed by a drunk driver, then methinks said drunk deserves more blame than Barry. :thf:
 
Btw, do you guys think that Cisco was completely justified in how he was handling things regarding Barry in this episode?

I was with him last week when he found out. His reaction was understandable. But he was a grade A dick in this one. Putting the team at risk by making Barry tell them this life changing news when they should be completely focused on the main problem. Barry even said he was gonna tell them when this was over.

I like him, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone give him a beatdown.
 
This was a cool start to the crossover. All these heroes together in one place was certainly a joy to watch, with all of them interacting with one another in interesting and/or hilarious ways. And the references to Flashpoint created some very effective tension and drama, which I appreciated.
 
From what I understand (I don't watch the show), the "Legends" frequently - frequently - **** with time, so I thought them getting up on their high horses about Barry altering the timeline was hypocritical.

I almost understand where Cisco was coming from by forcing Barry to reveal the truth to everyone, but it seemed to me like he was doing it not because he thought everyone deserved to know what he'd done, but because he wanted everyone to dislike and shun Barry so that he could feel justified in his own feelings. A petty, selfish move that made him come across as...well...selfish and petty.

And I guess Cisco doesn't think he's a bad person for snooping through other people's possessions, because that's exactly how he found the recording in the first place.
 
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