The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 5

[Kelly]

Ya know....I actually get to sort of a point where I think....hey, maybe I will actually enjoy the movie, even with some of its shortcomings.

AND THEN SOMEONE REMINDS ME OF THESE QUOTES......

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Ya know....I actually get to sort of a point where I think....hey, maybe I will actually enjoy the movie, even with some of its shortcomings.

AND THEN SOMEONE REMINDS ME OF THESE QUOTES......

Just doing my civic duty.

 

[Link]

The script Teller read was probably earlier one, not the one they are filming with now. That would contradict too much with Kinberg's latest interviews, and he doesn't really have any reason to lie about the project.

 

[RAE072]

The script Teller read was probably earlier one, not the one they are filming with now. That would contradict too much with Kinberg's latest interviews, and he doesn't really have any reason to lie about the project.

Except all the negative publicity generated from these very interviews and quotes.

And then of course there's the video interview with Kate Mara where she's asked about the various relationships between the members of the team and she said, literally, she "doesn't know very much about it"

Not the relationships in the comics, the relationships in the very movie she's involved in. And this was fairly recent, so she would have had to read SOME kind of script featuring her character and the other characters that, I would hope, interact with each other in some meaningful way that even slightly resembles the comic it's based on.

But nope. "Doesn't know very much about it."

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

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[Kelly]

Yeah, that is the interview where she said she HAD read some of the comics....

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah, that is the interview where she said she HAD read some of the comics....

Right! So which is it?

 

[Tony Stark]

That's what's so depressing to me. The answer to making FF stand out isn't to make it more 'grounded', it's to make it more like FF - bigger and bolder than the competition like the comics were when they first came out.

I should be happy reading the advance reviews for GOTG, because it sounds like they nailed it, but I can't help thinking: "That could have been FF."

I very well think Guardians will be the best movie of the summer, and Marvel has pushed the bar on everyone. When you've got the onions to make a film where one of your lead characters is a talking raccoon that carries around big guns, you have set a new bar for creativity and imagination.

When I read these quotes from Trank and Kinsberg, it's clear they never picked up a FF issue in their life, or at least they didn't understand what they were reading.

 

[Tony Stark]

The script Teller read was probably earlier one, not the one they are filming with now. That would contradict too much with Kinberg's latest interviews, and he doesn't really have any reason to lie about the project.

No but Kinerg does.

 

[starscream22]

Except that, unfortunately, I doubt that will even remotely happen, especially after Kinberg has been talking it up the last few days. The impression he gives is that the property is going forward full throttle and everything is going as planned. Of course, that could be all empty talk, but I really doubt Fox would sell or give the rights back to Disney at Comic Con of all places, as they would lose more face there than if they did it quietly on another week.

I suppose the figure they can't lose face if they don't show their faces where it matters.

They way I see it they haven't been doing much of anything else on the set so what really their excuse....

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SMH...

The FF shouldn't even have powers in this movie. Ben can be a geologist, Johnny can be a fireman, Reed can be a stretch instructor. Sue doesn't even have to appear.

Neither does Doom since this film is already looking that way!

 

[Krystal]

Can we just at least wait until the SDCC presentation before we go nuts?

Marvel will be doing something on GotG, A: AOU, Ant-Man, probably announcing Dr Strange and possibly the May 2017 movie so Fox has it's work cut out for it!

 

[starscream22]

I do agree with this but it always makes me wonder just how strong or weak word of mouth can be from the fans/fanboys, considering we make up only a tiny bit of the box office compared to the general audience. I can't imagine Fox being nervous or scared that fans might spread negative word of mouth on a level that actually makes this film bomb hard. If the trailer looks good and even action packed, the general audience will still turn out I imagine.

They're complete fools for not showing anything at SDCC.

This isn't the same as Bayformers.

I haven't seen a comic film survive yet that wasn't at least partially supported by fans. Ironically the only ones claiming the fandom are insignificant are the fans that usually like the film and want the ones who hate it to shut up. Which is a tactic used only when there's no other legitimate argument.

So the question then should be if said lot was so small and meaningless then why would Hollywood invest in their hobby in the first place?

 

[Figs]

This isn't the same as Bayformers.

I haven't seen a comic film survive yet that wasn't at least partially supported by fans. Ironically the only ones claiming the fandom are insignificant are the fans usually like the film and what the ones who hate to shut up. Which is a tactic used only when there's no other legitimate argument.

So the question then should be if said lot was so small and meaningless then why would Hollywood invest in their hobby in the first place?

In bold. What exactly are you trying to say there? I think you missed a few words.

This is not something to argue against Starscream22. The comic book reading fanbase is incredibly small compared to Everyone Else in our society.

Hollywood invested in "their/our" hobby because they finally realized they might be able to make money off of these properties now that they have the budget and effects to make them better than earlier attempts. See all those previous Cap America films hahaha. Not to mention, as a lot of people love to say, Hollywood has run out of ideas. So maybe that also plays a big part in why after all these years they decided to really focus money and attention on comic books.

 

[Kelly]

This isn't the same as Bayformers.

I haven't seen a comic film survive yet that wasn't at least partially supported by fans. Ironically the only ones claiming the fandom are insignificant are the fans usually like the film and what the ones who hate to shut up. Which is a tactic used only when there's no other legitimate argument.

So the question then should be if said lot was so small and meaningless then why would Hollywood invest in their hobby in the first place?

I have no clue what you just said there....

 

[starscream22]

In bold. What exactly are you trying to say there? I think you missed a few words.

This is not something to argue against Starscream22. The comic book reading fanbase is incredibly small compared to Everyone Else in our society.

Hollywood invested in "their/our" hobby because they finally realized they might be able to make money off of these properties now that they have the budget and effects to make them better than earlier attempts. See all those previous Cap America films hahaha. Not to mention, as a lot of people love to say, Hollywood has run out of ideas. So maybe that also plays a big part in why after all these years they decided to really focus money and attention on comic books.

Sorry for the typo's.

I was just saying that I strongly believe that Comic books fans are more significant than some people give them credit. And when they speak out against a certain CBM online it's usually other fans that are trying to deter them from voicing their opinions. Yes the comic book society is small but so is your local PTA. Try telling them to shut up when they get riled up about something and see where that gets you...LOL.

Funny thing is that I don't even read F4 comics...but I know enough about them to know that what FOX is doing to this franchise is dead wrong. So I'm dismissed as a whiny fanboy never the less.

So it's not just the readers who are in the thick of it here.

 

[starscream22]

I have no clue what you just said there....

You once made a comment about how big Star Wars is because of it's loyal fans.

Substitute Star Wars with Marvel and the whole insignificant "fanboy" tactic people use to win an argument with sounds meaningless.

 

[EssayM]

Right! So which is it?

My guess: She's read a few comics in preparation for the role, but she's not super knowledgeable about them outside of what your average moviegoer knows about them. Not that she hates them or looks down on them, she just doesn't read them much.

My further guess: Like many actors cast in a CBM, Mara decided to read up on the source material, and was told that she could, but to not get to attached to any particular version because the film was going to be its own creation or something like that. A nuance like that could have easily been lost in translation.

 

[Kelly]

You once made a comment about how big Star Wars is because of it's loyal fans.

Substitute Star Wars with Marvel and the whole insignificant "fanboy" tactic people use to win an argument with sounds meaningless.

Uh? Uh, nope....not me. I have never discussed Star Wars (I know absolutely "0" about Star Wars, saw the first movie only... )
, and I have never said that fanboys were insignificant, IF ANYTHING, I have been the one to back the fact that their opinion IS IMPORTANT, and have stated that fact, along with the fact that I totally understand WHY they are upset about this project....MANY TIMES.

My point is/was, that I don't believe that Fox is BANKING on the fanboys for this particular project, and are simply putting all of their promotion towards bringing in the General Audience.

Not sure what you read, but that wasn't me.....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

poor ben. barely even orange

 

[Danalys]

why does he look evil? if he was smoother, less bulky and metal that'd be a good doom sculpt.

it's a nice bit of art but not really the thing.

 

[Donut]

Not a bad look. But even if they somehow got the look of The Thing & Dr. Doom right. Everything else is still wrong with this movie

 

[Mr.M]

At this point, I am just hoping for a solid film that doesn't bury the franchise. Whether it makes money or not is not my concern. It probably won't make enough to get a sequel. But I just want something that will preserve the franchise beyond this film. Call the next one Fantastic Four: Salvation, if you have to, as long as FF films are still viable beyond this one. We just need the franchise to survive this, somehow, someway... irrespective of what studio is producing.

 

[starscream22]

Not a bad look. But even if they somehow got the look of The Thing & Dr. Doom right. Everything else is still wrong with this movie

Is that even legit?

Has FOX confirmed it?


Anyway I can't lie, if that design had an organ hue and was released under the MCU when it reverts I'd be on board.

Still not supporting this film regardless.

 

[Docker2.0]

Is that even legit?

Has FOX confirmed it?


Anyway I can't lie, if that design had an organ hue and was released under the MCU when it reverts I'd be on board.

Still not supporting this film regardless.

Agreed! I can't lie, it isn't bad looking, it's just I'm not a fan of found footage, nor do I like a Fantastic Four that is grounded, gritty and realistic. What the freak is realistic about a stretchy dude, a rock guy and a dude that catches on fire?! Plus the fact that they ain't showing this at Comic Con is really alarming. Do I think this is confirmed? Doesn't have to be. This is Fox throwing this out there because they ain't at Comic Con this year and trying to show some kind of buzz for this movie, though I do think it will bomb. Disney is going to poison this franchise by releasing movies all around it. Not to mention the fanboy venom this thing is generating. This thing is DOA.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

What the freak is realistic about a stretchy dude, a rock guy and a dude that catches on fire?! .

My hope is that Kinberg and the others involved in this are just terrible at communicating and Trank really does have a vision to bring something special to the screen. When I was watching ASM 2, I did find myself wanting something more 'realistic'.

My concern at this point is Marvel may quickly be moving beyond FF. GOTG looks like it might have franchise potential. Add in Ant-Man, Dr. Strange, Inhumans, Black Panther, Namor etc. to all the characters Marvel has already eatablished and why the heck do they need FF?

I'm afraid there may be no great options left. FF may be doomed no matter how things shake out. Fox could very well make a couple mediocre films, let FF go and they could end up dormant for the next thirty years - turned into D-listers by Fox while Marvel turns former D-listers to A-listers.