The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 5

[Docker2.0]

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous this sounds?

I don't think that's really possible to be a one trick pony when you've only made the one film and there's nothing for comparison.

Maybe wait and see this movie when it comes out and THEN make that call, hmm?

This thread should really be called The Negative Zone.

Well, that is kind of the point of the thread, for the rights to revert.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous this sounds?

I don't think that's really possible to be a one trick pony when you've only made the one film and there's nothing for comparison.

Maybe wait and see this movie when it comes out and THEN make that call, hmm?

This thread should really be called The Negative Zone.

It's a little hyperbolic I'll admit. But when one of the creators of the film is speaking for the director (because he won't speak for himself) and is saying that the tone of this film will be closer to Chronicle it's easy to jump to this conclusion. That's like saying "we chose the director because we want a film just like Chronicle." That rankles a bit when many of us feel that Chronicle is nothing like what the Fantastic Four should be. Hence the negativity.

 

[The Guard]

Except that human communication doesn't work that way.

You have to actually look at the meaning and context of the words used, not just jump to conclusions about what you think they mean.

"Closer", for instance, being a word that does not mean "almost exactly like something".

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

But when one of the creators of the film is speaking for the director (because he won't speak for himself)

I did find it interesting that Trank came out of hiding long enough to comment on Star Wars. He has probably now said more about Star Wars than he has about Fantastic Four.

 

[wobbly]

Well, that is kind of the point of the thread, for the rights to revert.

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone on board with Fox on this one, and/or don't want the rights to revert, bothers to come here at all.

The existing title of the thread is fine. Calling it 'The Negative Zone' would be a cheap dig at those of us posting our doubts and concerns here (even if some can go OTT a bit) because of what that title means to us.

With what we have heard from this one the rights reverting, to us, would not be 'negative' at all. It's a simple enough sentiment. See no reason to try and make a cheap joke out of it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Do you have any idea how utterly ridiculous this sounds?

I don't think that's really possible to be a one Trank pony when you've only made the one film and there's nothing for comparison.

Maybe wait and see this movie when it comes out and THEN make that call, hmm?

This thread should really be called The Negative Zone.

Fixed.

Yeah, I'm not sure why anyone on board with Fox on this one, and/or don't want the rights to revert, bothers to come here at all.

The existing title of the thread is fine. Calling it 'The Negative Zone' would be a cheap dig at those of us posting our doubts and concerns here (even if some can go OTT a bit) because of what that title means to us.

With what we have heard from this one the rights reverting, to us, would not be 'negative' at all. It's a simple enough sentiment. See no reason to try and make a cheap joke out of it.

In fact, we could almost call this the positive thread.

 

[wobbly]

I did find it interesting that Trank came out of hiding long enough to comment on Star Wars. He has probably now said more about Star Wars than he has about Fantastic Four.

Lol I think if we could add up all the words he used on twitter about this it might just outnumber those used for the SW announcement. Just.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

This thread should really be called The Negative Zone.

Perhaps you'll find this one more to your liking.

 

[Spiderine]

I guess most of my "negativity" stems from the fact that out of all the properties currently owned by other studios.....Spidey, Xmen, FF......the one I feel most passionately about returning to Marvel is FF. Keep Xmen Keep Spidey. I could really care less what FOX intentions ever really were with making a good film. I just want them to go home. I can't help that. The possibilities of characters like Doom and others interacting in the MCU and what they could do for him are infinite.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Lol I think if we could add up all the words he used on twitter about this it might just outnumber those used for the SW announcement. Just.

But his Star Wars comments made it actually sound like he liked Star Wars. Did any of his tweets ever indicate he liked Fantastic Four?

 

[Dark Raven]

But his Star Wars comments made it actually sound like he liked Star Wars. Did any of his tweets ever indicate he liked Fantastic Four?

His FF tweets were more like obligatory tweets which he had to make on behalf of the studio, and even those they took away from him.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

His FF tweets were more like obligatory tweets which he had to make on behalf of the studio, and even those they took away from him.

You know, I didn't realize it until just now, but this is one of the things that has been gnawing at my subconscious. Consider Trank's comment today.

"The magic of the Star Wars Universe defined my entire childhood. The opportunity to expand on that experience for future generations is the most incredible dream of all time."

NOBODY associated with FF (with the possible exception of MBJ who one time commented that FF was his favorite comic book - though he didn't offer any reason or anything else to indicate it was more than a line) nobody has ever had any good things to say about the FF comic books.

They've insulted the earlier films, so they at least acknowledge those existed, but there's been little if any actual acknowledgement that there was such a thing as Fantastic Four comic books.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

His FF tweets were more like obligatory tweets which he had to make on behalf of the studio, and even those they took away from him.

Like taking a fork away from a child before he sticks it in an electrical outlet.

 

[Dark Raven]

FFINO was just a pot boiler for Trank.

 

[wobbly]

But his Star Wars comments made it actually sound like he liked Star Wars. Did any of his tweets ever indicate he liked Fantastic Four?

Iirc, not one. It was basically debunk this, debunk that, admit one he debunked was true, then mock the obvious chatter the castings were gonna cause. That about sums it up.

 

[Dr Tactics]

Iirc, not one. It was basically debunk this, debunk that, admit one he debunked was true, then mock the obvious chatter the castings were gonna cause. That about sums it up.

Like Star Wars for him will be a labor of love..

FFINO is just Labor (Or whatever he's been doing in a BR room for 5 weeks}

Trank be like, "Are we done here?? You got you're rights for another 7 years so, Is my check ready?? Want to hurry to get on a project I really want to do and you Fox guys are holding me up!!! TICK TICK!!!"

 

[The.Brotherhood]

Now the house of mouse is giving the Iron-Fist (no pun intended) to FOX.

They will / may use Marvel, Star Wars (Lucasfilm in general) and Pixar to play the monopoly game on FOX.


Release dates, merchandising, branding, comics, etc.


Star-Wars / Lucasfilm: One scenario I can see is that Trank will not be available for FFINO sequel due to the fact that he's tied up with a SW spin-off. If this FFINO is his original take then it will cause some problem for the next director that will helm the sequel in terms of the direction this franchise would take. Not to mention the other Lucasfilm properties.

Pixar: Another one would be they will use The Incredibles 2 release date on some of the fox-marvel properties, maybe for FFINO. Sad but true, The Incredibles (as of now, movie-wise) is the one who possesses the Spirit of the Family-esque heroes-dynamics that the FF have been for years in the comics.

Marvel: Currently they are minimizing all the support that this FFINO film could get as they will (or not?) cancel the FF in comics. Another possibility is IF the rumors about spidey crawling back to Marvel then that's another card that Marvel can use against Fox.



Many more combinations the house of mouse can use in order for them to get back the rights of the FF.

Listen guys, this is just my take on it as these are possible moves that can be done by the Disney Empire to get something back.


P.S.

If FOX is really ready to play hard-ball with Disney then throw in the upcoming Disney-owned animations, properties, etc. (and they own A LOT!) to that equation.

 

[Kanon]

Except that human communication doesn't work that way.

You have to actually look at the meaning and context of the words used, not just jump to conclusions about what you think they mean.

"Closer", for instance, being a word that does not mean "almost exactly like something".

Don't forget every other factor that signals a Chronicle clone: described as "gritty, grounded, realistic" as the only clue of the tone and scope, low budget, discreet filming sugesting also a lower scope (mostly indoor filming), small (announced) cast, the biggest names, are up-and-coming actors.

I don't think we are simply jumping into conclusions...

 

[Dark Raven]

There's no reason for Trank to make anything other than a Chronicle clone anyway. Fox hired him to direct a film as cheaply as possibly and within a quick shoot (10 weeks). It's not like he has to even make it like Fantastic Four, since "they'll go see it anyway."

 

[the gael]

You know, I didn't realize it until just now, but this is one of the things that has been gnawing at my subconscious. Consider Trank's comment today.

"The magic of the Star Wars Universe defined my entire childhood. The opportunity to expand on that experience for future generations is the most incredible dream of all time."

That's the first time I see some passion and motivation in Trank comment... and it's for Star Wars.

It tells you so much.

From his first comments on FF, it was so clear that he didn't want to do the job and Fox forced him to direct the "movie".

From the beginning Trank was embarrassed by the project.

A studio ho doesn't want t spend money on a project but wants to keep the rights at all cost, a director who doesn't want to do it, the probable "compromise" : Do it like you want and **** the fans, make a Chronicle 2 if you want but make it quick and as cheap as possible.

It summarize all of this sad debacle.

Funnily, Trank may very well direct a very good Star Wars movie (A director can only do a good job if he has passion or at least a great respect for his project), but his FF one will be a disaster that everyone (even him), will love to see deeply buried. It may be Trank's "Howard the Duck", the abominable thing that you want to forget but always returns to haunt your directing carreer.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

From the beginning Trank was embarrassed by the project.

If you look at all the comments we've seen from Trank, Vaughn and Kinberg, there's definitely an air of "We're too cool for this."

Vaughn: “Its a total reboot, that’s for sure. It’s got nothing to do with the other bloody ones. It’s not stretchy guy and a guy running around in rock that looks like it’s made of polystyrene. And its not a comedy.”

Kinberg: "It’s not as goofy as the first movies; it has humor in it, but the humor is much more real and comes from character, not pratfall jokes."

And while they find time to insult the previous films, they can't find any room to compliment the comic-books.

That's what I found so striking about Trank's praise of Star Wars. While he and nobody else associated with the FF have been able to find words to praise the source material, Trank did show in the above quote that he is capable of heaping praise when he, presumably, believes it.

 

[wobbly]

Somwhat ironically, the only guy to have directly cited Lee & Kirby is the man whose own version of the FF (UFF) is clearly the basis for this effort.

Millar, seemingly replaced by Kinberg after daring to publicly cast doubt on how the castings of the Storms could work, said this early on:

"You can tell from Chronicle that it was a new way of looking at superheroes, and I think he’s going to apply that same slightly skewed way of looking at heroes to the Fantastic Four, but do it in a way that feels incredibly reverential to the Kirby and Lee stuff,"

He also went on to say that for the Fantastic Four to work properly it really has to be done with the Lee and Kirby prospective.

Well, I have not seen bugger all evidence of that being the case atm. This is far more UFF, and that's a whole different thing imo.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Somwhat ironically, the only guy to have directly cited Lee & Kirby is the man whose own version of the FF (UFF) is clearly the basis for this effort.

Millar, seemingly replaced by Kinberg after daring to publicly cast doubt on how the castings of the Storms could work, said this early on:

"You can tell from Chronicle that it was a new way of looking at superheroes, and I think he’s going to apply that same slightly skewed way of looking at heroes to the Fantastic Four, but do it in a way that feels incredibly reverential to the Kirby and Lee stuff,"

He also went on to say that for the Fantastic Four to work properly it really has to be done with the Lee and Kirby prospective.

Well, I have not seeing bugger all evidence of that being the case atm. This is far more UFF, and that's a whole different thing imo.

I remember Millar saying that and it's the only time I've ever softened towards the idea of this reboot. Since then Kinberg's been brought in on a rewrite, they've built a Dawson's Creek style cast, and all we hear is "dark, gritty, gounded, realistic" with everything looking more and more to be based on the failed Ultimate Fantastic Four title.

 

[Dark Raven]

I remember Millar saying that and it's the only time I've ever softened towards the idea of this reboot. Since then Kinberg's been brought in on a rewrite, they've built a Dawson's Creek style cast, and all we hear is "dark, gritty, gounded, realistic" with everything looking more and more to be based on the failed Ultimate Fantastic Four title.

Mrs TellerReed: "Reed, come on. You'll never make your grades if you don't apply yourself. Quit this space project. You and Sue have the rest of your lives ahead of you."

TellerReed: "Mom, I don't want to wait for our lives to be over."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I actually think Millar's comments were related to the Stentz/Miller script before that was scrapped and Jeremy Slater started on the cheaper clean-sheet version.

Stentz and Miller also said some good things and that was the high-water mark for the project.

I never thought I would long for the days when Mark Millar was more involved.