The "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) thread - Part 8

[wcarne]

Hey, new poster here!

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the film never comes out at all. Half a film's cost is marketing and so far they have saved all that amount. I think the whole rights thing just required them to film it, not to actually distribute so this may have just been an exercise to hold on to the rights. If Trank and crew know this, it would explain their silence on the whole thing.

 

[Eddie]

Hey, new poster here!

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the film never comes out at all. Half a film's cost is marketing and so far they have saved all that amount. I think the whole rights thing just required them to film it, not to actually distribute so this may have just been an exercise to hold on to the rights. If Trank and crew know this, it would explain their silence on the whole thing.

After the Corman situation it's highly unlikely Marvel would do a contract like that.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

There's a theatrical release clause.

From a few years back:

"Word on the street is Fox has made it very clear that they will not let go of any of the properties under their control for any live action medium.

We've also been told that if it ever came to the point where they were going to lose any property they own because of failing to have a movie in production, they would simply produce a low budget, straight-to-DVD feature and stick it in any theater to fulfill their theatrical release clause."

http://forums.saiyanisland.com/archive/index.php/t-30488.html

That seems to be what's happening here. Their intent was blatantly obvious the day they hired Josh Trank who was able to make a successful superhero film for only 12 million dollars.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Hey, new poster here!

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the film never comes out at all. Half a film's cost is marketing and so far they have saved all that amount. I think the whole rights thing just required them to film it, not to actually distribute so this may have just been an exercise to hold on to the rights. If Trank and crew know this, it would explain their silence on the whole thing.

Welcome by the way! ... to the most depressingly happening thread on the Hype.

 

[scatterax]

What's the official title for this?

 

[marvelmadness13]

What's the official title for this?

Like everything else Fox is hiding it.

 

[Eddie]

What's the official title for this?

Wait... you actually think Fox has acknowledged this film enough to actually have a firm title in place?!

 

[BETArayBill]

Fantastic four we hate the fans. Is the official title I believe

 

[Surfer]

There's a theatrical release clause.

From a few years back:

"Word on the street is Fox has made it very clear that they will not let go of any of the properties under their control for any live action medium.

We've also been told that if it ever came to the point where they were going to lose any property they own because of failing to have a movie in production, they would simply produce a low budget, straight-to-DVD feature and stick it in any theater to fulfill their theatrical release clause."

http://forums.saiyanisland.com/archive/index.php/t-30488.html

That seems to be what's happening here. Their intent was blatantly obvious the day they hired Josh Trank who was able to make a successful superhero film for only 12 million dollars.

Yeah, I remember Fox saying that, but they did let go of the rights to Daredevil. So there may still be hope yet.

Surfer

 

[Zarex]

There's a theatrical release clause.

From a few years back:

"Word on the street is Fox has made it very clear that they will not let go of any of the properties under their control for any live action medium.

We've also been told that if it ever came to the point where they were going to lose any property they own because of failing to have a movie in production, they would simply produce a low budget, straight-to-DVD feature and stick it in any theater to fulfill their theatrical release clause."

http://forums.saiyanisland.com/archive/index.php/t-30488.html

That seems to be what's happening here. Their intent was blatantly obvious the day they hired Josh Trank who was able to make a successful superhero film for only 12 million dollars.

I believe that quote was prior to the Disney sale, though. There's not a theater owner in the country that would be willing to give up the right to ever show Disney, Disney Animation, Pixar, Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm features in their theater in order to abet a FOX rights grab scheme.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Yeah, I remember Fox saying that, but they did let go of the rights to Daredevil. So there may still be hope yet.

Surfer

Their hand was forced with DD. If they had a script and a director before the deadline, you better believe they would've forced it.

 

[Gusto]

Their hand was forced with DD. If they had a script and a director before the deadline, you better believe they would've forced it.

Didn't they have a script and director for DD? Pretty sure they did and it was just being polished at that point (the director spoke about it early this year/late last year). Fox had jack ***** planned with the FF.

 

[Gusto]

David Slade, that's right.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

They had Slade, but I seriously doubt they had anything ready in terms of a script to proceed. Development was so blatantly stagnant that Slade was taking side projects and his "updates" in twitter were often just him venting. Had they went with Carnahan, his take would have probably started from scratch.

 

[Surfer]

My point is simply that regardless of the order of events, that Fox can say they would not give up one of these properties, but we know for a fact that they have.

Surfer

 

[wcarne]

Yeah I agree. If they are just holding onto rights, it doesn't matter if there's a theatre release clause. It's easy to stick it in a theatre or two and call it released. It's petty... but it is Fox after all... And thanks for the welcome I've been lurking around SHH for a while now and no one has cursed my name yet so I must have avoided making a fool of myself on my first day.

p.s. Marvel is awesome, DC sucks... Flame on!

p.p.s. I am just kidding - don't hate me.

 

[biggles2000uk]

i don't think the relationship between Fox and Disney/Marvel are as bad as many make out on here. They were able to use Quicksilver in both studios after talking. Also, Fox hold the distribution rights to the original 6 Star Wars films which Disney probably wants.

Personally I think Fox wants to keep hold of FF4 thinking there is better potential in it than the other rights that reverted back. Probably had a script floating around for Chronicle 2, had Trank signed on already for Chronicle 2, so decided to mash them together. Get a quick turn around on a film, on low budget, offers new origins, which they can then adapt to a bigger blockbuster with more time, budget and effects. Or start again with bigger budget, time (which they'll now have) and a more faithful adaptation.

Remember, Fox want a franchise. They have managed to reinvigorate the Planet of the Apes (2 excellent films, imo), but they want more.

 

[Dark Raven]

i don't think the relationship between Fox and Disney/Marvel are as bad as many make out on here. They were able to use Quicksilver in both studios after talking. Also, Fox hold the distribution rights to the original 6 Star Wars films which Disney probably wants.

Personally I think Fox wants to keep hold of FF4 thinking there is better potential in it than the other rights that reverted back. Probably had a script floating around for Chronicle 2, had Trank signed on already for Chronicle 2, so decided to mash them together. Get a quick turn around on a film, on low budget, offers new origins, which they can then adapt to a bigger blockbuster with more time, budget and effects. Or start again with bigger budget, time (which they'll now have) and a more faithful adaptation.

Remember, Fox want a franchise. They have managed to reinvigorate the Planet of the Apes (2 excellent films, imo), but they want more.

Fox and Marvel didn't do any talking. It's not like they had some discussions and then one agreed to let the other use Quicksilver. That's not how it worked at all. Both owned the rights to character due to a technicality, so both were able to use him. And Fox only brought Quicksilver into XM: DOFP after it was announced that he would be in Avengers, so they did that to try to beat Marvel to the punch. So yeah, relations are as bad as everyone says, if not worse.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Fox and Marvel didn't do any talking. It's not like they had some discussions and then one agreed to let the other use Quicksilver. That's not how it worked at all. Both owned the rights to character due to a technicality, so both were able to use him. And Fox only brought Quicksilver into XM: DOFP after it was announced that he would be in Avengers, so they did that to try to beat Marvel to the punch. So yeah, relations are as bad as everyone says, if not worse.

In the original script it was Juggernaut who was going to perform the breakout. Fox even had an actor cast in the role! (Sucks to be him) It wasn't until it leaked that the Avengers sequel was going to feature Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch that Bryan Singer in proper *****ebag fashion tweeted that they would be bringing Quicksilver to the big screen first with the statement:

Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

Complete with Avenger hashtag to piggyback off of Avengers buzz. Later, in an effort to hide his *****ebaggery, Singer edited his tweet to just say:

Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

 

[Orba]

In the original script it was Juggernaut who was going to perform the breakout. Fox even had an actor cast in the role! (Sucks to be him) It wasn't until it leaked that the Avengers sequel was going to feature Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch that Bryan Singer in proper *****ebag fashion tweeted that they would be bringing Quicksilver to the big screen first with the statement:

Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

Complete with Avenger hashtag to piggyback off of Avengers buzz. Later, in an effort to hide his *****ebaggery, Singer edited his tweet to just say:

Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

The actor they cast ended up being moved to the Stryker role.

 

[Dark Raven]

In the original script it was Juggernaut who was going to perform the breakout. Fox even had an actor cast in the role! (Sucks to be him) It wasn't until it leaked that the Avengers sequel was going to feature Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch that Bryan Singer in proper *****ebag fashion tweeted that they would be bringing Quicksilver to the big screen first with the statement:

Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

Complete with Avenger hashtag to piggyback off of Avengers buzz. Later, in an effort to hide his *****ebaggery, Singer edited his tweet to just say:

Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

So yeah, Marvel and Fox sat at the table and one party said "Okay, you can use Quicksilver in your movie as well. We don't mind."

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

The actor they cast ended up being moved to the Stryker role.

Not what he signed up for but hey it helps to be flexible.

 

[lukebrodyg]

In the original script it was Juggernaut who was going to perform the breakout. Fox even had an actor cast in the role! (Sucks to be him) It wasn't until it leaked that the Avengers sequel was going to feature Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch that Bryan Singer in proper *****ebag fashion tweeted that they would be bringing Quicksilver to the big screen first with the statement:

[I]Before he was an #Avenger, he was just a REALLY fast kid. Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

[/I]Complete with Avenger hashtag to piggyback off of Avengers buzz. Later, in an effort to hide his *****ebaggery, Singer edited his tweet to just say:

Thrilled to say #EvanPeters is joining #XMen #DaysOfFuturePast as #Quicksilver

Thanks for that. I like knowing these things.

 

[wobbly]

Fox and Marvel didn't do any talking. It's not like they had some discussions and then one agreed to let the other use Quicksilver. That's not how it worked at all. Both owned the rights to character due to a technicality, so both were able to use him. And Fox only brought Quicksilver into XM: DOFP after it was announced that he would be in Avengers, so they did that to try to beat Marvel to the punch. So yeah, relations are as bad as everyone says, if not worse.

Agreed. We know Disney/Marvel are willing to pass on the potentially lucrative merchandising movie tie-ins they can produce for Fox's efforts, and I think 'Wolverine: Origins' was the last that was supported with toys and so on by Marvel, so we can assume they aint getting on well at all.

I think the Galactus/Surfer swap offer for a Daredevil extension being turned down burned any bridges they might have had, or might have been able to build at any rate (I think Disney had taken over at that point, so with new upper management the relations were always gonna be different from then on. Prior to that 'Marvel Entertainment' at least seemed to be amiable enough with Fox).

 

[lukebrodyg]

Agreed. We know Disney/Marvel are willing to pass on the potentially lucrative merchandising movie tie-ins they can produce for Fox's efforts, and I think 'Wolverine: Origins' was the last that was supported with toys and so on by Marvel, so we can assume they aint getting on well at all.

I think the Galactus/Surfer swap offer for a Daredevil extension being turned down burned any bridges they might have had, or might have been able to build at any rate (I think Disney had taken over at that point, so with new upper management the relations were always gonna be different from then on. Prior to that 'Marvel Entertainment' at least seemed to be amiable enough with Fox).

I guess if you're trying to bring all your properties back home you have to start somewhere. Even if that might require burning a few bridges and missing out on a few bucks.