The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 1

[Gamma Ra]

Well as I had mentioned earlier, if the leaked sheet featuring the scene between Bruce transforming in front of Black Widow is of any indication as to what type of presence the Hulk will have as a entity in himself, then we may be in stored for a treat regarding the character. I mean if I'm not mistaken, as Black Widow was trying to tell Banner to stay in control of his transformation from the scene, the Hulk persona emerged mentally and took over, and gave somewhat of a threatening line to BW that Banner wouldn't be capable of saying.

I didn't read it, but hopefully it's right, I'm sick of the animal-like Hulks of tv and film. I want to see one of the comic incarnations or a semblance on the big screen.

And yeah, the Hulk does have a lot to overcome in order to turn the majority view of him being more of a liability than asset to the safety of society since unlike the rest of the confirmed Avengers, his appearance is the most radical and frightening one of all. I mean if the Hulk were a real person in real life, it wouldn't be easy for anyone to market him off to the world as a hero.

That's why he's known as the "misunderstood monster." He looks scary, he talks threatening, he's got an attitude like no ones business, but hey if you give him his space, he's just fine. Hulk has always been the loner in comics because of those traits, but he's also has just as many good quality traits as well.

 

[Venom'sDad]

The Cube could help Bruce not only control Hulk; but, give Hulk some intellect that we all have been clamming for as well. Think about it... it maybe how the Team eventually come to trust Hulk and vice-versa.

 

[Gamma Ra]

That's the point, Hulk is the one that's wanted, the one the military want to study, be a Guinea pig. Hulk should be distrustful of the team as he tries to fit in; and, he should also be somewhat distrustful of Bruce attempt to control him; so there is some inner conflict there. Which, imo, serve well if Hulk is the villain in the beginning.... you know "the Hulk Problem" that Tony implied Ross had. And given the "leaks" if true, fuels why no one likes him and distrustful of him.

Good point. The reason Hulk is always fighting the military and Super heroes is because they're the ones hunting or hounding him. Hulk gets accused of many things he isn't guilty of, but because of his temper, he won't take the time out to reason with the puny humans or heroes. As far as Hulk's concerned, if it's a fight they want, it's a fight they'll get.

 

[Gamma Ra]

The Cube could help Bruce not only control Hulk; but, give Hulk some intellect that we all have been clamming for as well. Think about it... it maybe how the Team eventually come to trust Hulk and vice-versa.

I don't like that idea. Hulk's personality must develop on it's own, not by the Cube or an outside power source. He's more interesting in a Mr. Hyde-ish sort of way that way.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Good point. The reason Hulk is always fighting the military and Super heroes is because they're the ones hunting or hounding him. Hulk gets accused of many things he isn't guilty of, but because of his temper, he won't take the time out to reason with the puny humans or heroes. As far as Hulk's concerned, if it's a fight they want, it's a fight they'll get.

Exactly

I don't like that idea. Hulk's personality must develop on it's own, not by the Cube or an outside power source. He's more interesting in a Mr. Hyde-ish sort of way that way.

Just saying...it's a real possibilty they may pursue

 

[Obi-Ron]

Hey, maybe it can give Blonsky proper ears, too!

 

[Ahura Mazda]

As long as they give the Hulk intelligence I am happy. I do think they will have the Hulk being mind controlled at one point and that he will be fighting the others before he joins with them after breaking free of the mind control.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Just saying...it's a real possibilty they may pursue

True.

Hey, maybe it can give Blonsky proper ears, too!

Best idea I heard for the use of the Cube so far. t:

As long as they give the Hulk intelligence I am happy. I do think they will have the Hulk being mind controlled at one point and that he will be fighting the others before he joins with them after breaking free of the mind control.

Either mind controlled or the Hulk will see a Skrull shape-shift or catch Loki up to no good, but because he's a monster acting monstrous, no one will believe him.

 

[GhostPoet]

The Cube could help Bruce not only control Hulk; but, give Hulk some intellect that we all have been clamming for as well. Think about it... it maybe how the Team eventually come to trust Hulk and vice-versa.

The Hulk could already be that way during the movie...we're not sure. At the end of TIH he seems he has the ability to control it now.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ At the end of TIH we saw Bruce making an attempt to control it, putting forth an effort to try something(which in this case was Yoga).... we don't know as of yet if he can control him.

But yes, you are right, it could already be that way during the movie.

 

[Hypestyle]

hopefully there will be lots of power stunts with hulk, ripping off entire sides of buildings and using them as clubs, etc.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'd love to see hulk use his wit to improvise ways to protect the team and people around him. I think its a good way to show off his intelligence.

 

[terry78]

So long as they don't pull a Bumblebee with him and make him a mute because it's "cooler".

 

[Still A ThorFan]

All I want is to see Thor smack Hulk around a bit, thus making the rest of the movie enjoyable.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Like mentioned before I suspect they'll take a cue from earlier stuff where Cap is the one that really is able to bond with him, as Stark only wants to poke and prod like a science project, and Thor only views him as something to challenge his strength in friendly scuffles.

I like the idea, it would only make the movie better.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

I'd like to see the original Hulk turn into the gray Hulk because of being able to control himself, he could not only talk properly but end up turning gray as well. I'm getting tired of Hulk barely being able to talk in his movies and his power level can go down a wee bit too since the green version of Hulk is stronger than the gray version of Hulk. If this happened the movie could explain that Hulk changed because of having more will and not throw out that performing yoga made the changes (by implying that he goes through a phase). Yes Banner's eyes were green at the of the Incredible Hulk, but him being on the gray side can also be because of mastering how to control his Hulk side.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Meh, they should just focus on a working green hulk. IMO.

 

[Son of Coul]

I recently just sat and read through Planet Hulk and I like that incarnation a lot (I think fans call him "Gravage Hulk," right?). That would be a great way to start moving in this movie. Maybe not outright have him talking out of nowhere, but transitioning strongly into that version would make me very happy. Especially with this idea of Banner's psyche starting to influence him.

But I doubt they'll go that far in the movies.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Hopefully they do, the speaking hulk is transitioning well in the cartoon and I know that's different. But its still progress. With whedon writing this and as a former comic book writer, hopefully he took reference and inspiration from Greg pak's run on hulk.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Yes, that's Gravage/Green Scar/TAEMH' Hulk in Planet Hulk. Planet Hulk was one of the best comic book stories ever. You should also get Peace in Our Time, which sets up Planet Hulk and World War Hulk, which are the after effects of Planet Hulk. They read like a trilogy, and you'll get a good understanding of why Hulk does what he does.

Marvel Studios bigest mistake was not going with a verbal Hulk with either of the Hulk films. They should have went to the original comic source instead of trying to pay too much homage to the show. Even if the majority of movie goers didn't know Hulk could speak; which I doubt do to the two animated shows; it wouldn't have made a difference to them if he did in the two films.

Hopefully he does have more than a couple of lines and is more of a character, instead of an animal, in the Avengers movie.

 

[Son of Coul]

Oh ok that's cool. Yeah I like that version a lot and hope they move forward with it. Although I do feel that del Toro's Hulk show, should it get off the ground, may just continue the now typical animalistic creature with maybe a few lines.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I think Marvel in general has realized Hulk's appeal as a character with the Planet Hulk DVD as well as his appearance in TAEMH's. I wish that they understood his Savage/Child-like incarnation, but I digress, so I have a little more faith that Marvel Television will give us a different kind of Hulk for the show than we've seen in the original show or the two films.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Yes, that's Gravage/Green Scar/TAEMH' Hulk in Planet Hulk. Planet Hulk was one of the best comic book stories ever. You should also get Peace in Our Time, which sets up Planet Hulk and World War Hulk, which are the after effects of Planet Hulk. They read like a trilogy, and you'll get a good understanding of why Hulk does what he does.

Marvel Studios bigest mistake was not going with a verbal Hulk with either of the Hulk films. They should have went to the original comic source instead of trying to pay too much homage to the show. Even if the majority of movie goers didn't know Hulk could speak; which I doubt do to the two animated shows; it wouldn't have made a difference to them if he did in the two films.

Hopefully he does have more than a couple of lines and is more of a character, instead of an animal, in the Avengers movie.

I agree with you on all counts. The Hulk has such a diverse personality with his various incarnations but the biggest exposure to GenPop (the 2 films and the TV series) has only been to the Savage one. The Green Scar personality translated very well from the comics to the animated PH. I'd love to see the Avengers' Hulk begin to act like that and I think viewers would respond well to it.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I think a speaking hulk will surprise the GA, but I definitely think they'll accept a speaking hulk.

 

[marcvader]

It's essential that Marvel realizes that Hulk needs to have a more fleshed out personality and vocabulary if they really have any intention of raising interest in the character. There plans for television and possibly more films would only benefit from it.