The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 1

[Son of Coul]

Ah but they still can with Ruffalo though!

 

[Dark Raven]

And if Natalie Portman and Gwyneth Paltrow had some cameos, then those two can be milked as well.

 

[terry78]

And if Natalie Portman and Gwyneth Paltrow had some cameos, then those two can be milked as well.

See what you did there, I did.

 

[DarthAlani]

The Hulk better clearly be far more powerful than all of the Avengers with the exception of Thor of course.

Cap, Tony and the rest should be in awe of the Green Goliath

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I'm pretty sure hulk can take Thor

 

[Weadazoid]

I'm pretty sure hulk can take Thor

I don't know, it definitly seemed they were willing to put Thor on a Superman like status.....


the way he handled himself when he had power was pretty awe inspiring.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I don't know, it definitly seemed they were willing to put Thor on a Superman like status.....


the way he handled himself when he had power was pretty awe inspiring.

FYI...Superman is nothing special compared to Hulk or Thor.

 

[Sawyer]

FYI...Superman is nothing special compared to Hulk or Thor.

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[Gamma Burst]

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Nothing funny about it. Gamma Ra is pretty much right.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

^this ×10. Lol

 

[Gamma Ra]

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Just curious, what's so laughable about that? Both Hulk and Thor have beaten Marvel's comics Superman clones. And Superman's been beaten in DC comics by Hulk rip-offs or stronger characters.

 

[Kirmit]

With Hulk VS Superman it's the same story as with Hulk VS Thor or any big player, all of these characters have a limit to their strength except for Hulk, it's just whether they can incapacitate him before he overpowers them.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

With Hulk VS Superman it's the same story as with Hulk VS Thor or any big player, all of these characters have a limit to their strength except for Hulk, it's just whether they can incapacitate him before he overpowers them.

This is actually my favorite attribute of the hulk.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Yeah. None of them has Hulk's unique ability to grow infinitely stronger as the fight progresses. And none of them are the WORLDBREAKER!!!

 

[Poni_Boy]

These are fictional characters with no definable skill/strength set. It's up to the writer on who would win. That's why these fan-battles don't really make sense.

I.E. One writer can say "Hulk's gamma radiation leak weakens Superman so Hulk can effortlessly pound away at him" while another can say "Superman moved faster than Hulk could even see, and proceeded to throw his into another galaxy." Neither is wrong or right.

 

[Bruce Banner]

Indeed.

Ever since watching TIH, and hearing that the Avengers was going to happen, I was waiting to see as to how Norton's Banner was going to interact with the rest of the Avengers.

Oh well.

That was a big interest for me as well, seeing those photos reminds me how I got to get used to the transition again. I'm past the point of being angry over it though.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Most comic fans understand and realize that all the comic battle debates are speculative and any outcome in comic books, up to the writer. But there is still fun in debating the different characters powersets.

What I don't agree with is when fans say such and such can never happen. I agree some things should not happen, Daredevil knocking out Odin or Spider-man beating Galactus, but with the Hulk, most anything is possible. So when people state Hulk can't beat someone that is his peer...I'm compelled to answer.

 

[B]

With Hulk VS Superman it's the same story as with Hulk VS Thor or any big player, all of these characters have a limit to their strength except for Hulk, it's just whether they can incapacitate him before he overpowers them.

Superman is a giant solar battery. The only limit he'd have to his strength would be how much power he can absorb before he either tops out or it potentially kills him. Needless to say hes never had to absorb that much power to take someone down.. Hulk would be no different.

Superman is far faster, has (at least at the begining for arguments sake) a stronger starting base strength than Hulk & can fly.. these attributes alone are 3 that would have a fight end in Superman's favour quickly.. not to mention his other abilities that would also have Hulk easily disposed off.

I don't usually get involved in these sorts of convos, but considering the powers & the strength Superman has, if there physically was a real life Hulk & a real life Superman.. Superman sould win or be able to dispose of the Hulk into the depths of space easily.

Now if it was strength vs strength, who knows. Hulk is billed as having limitless strength (a term I don't like being used because every character should have their limits.. particularly a hero), but then again I feel Superman's strength limits have never been truely tested.. however I'm sure if you compared the 2's feats of strength, I'm sure Superman's feats would be more impressive than Hulk's in terms of strength.

 

[Kirmit]

I agree B that Superman has far more abilities at his disposal that could win him the fight but it still depends on how quickly he acts. As for feats of strength that have been performed, I'm not sure on Superman's but I think one of Hulk's most impressive was punching throught the space-time barrier. Though at the end of the day as Poni_boy said, it all depends on the writer.

 

[WildcatNC]

If Thor doesn't call Hulk a Troll then this movie will be a fail.

 

[Doc Samson]

I agree B that Superman has far more abilities at his disposal that could win him the fight but it still depends on how quickly he acts. As for feats of strength that have been performed, I'm not sure on Superman's but I think one of Hulk's most impressive was punching throught the space-time barrier. Though at the end of the day as Poni_boy said, it all depends on the writer.

On a simple toe to toe basis, of course, Superman may have some problems (depending on the Hulk incarnation he's facing, that is) but the great equalizer is flight. If he wanted to, Superman (and Thor) could engage in a strictly aerial assault, to which the Hulk really has no answer.

And, depending on the Hulk they're facing, they both could probably outsmart him, especially Thor, who has years of tactical expertise. The main problem with Thor however, is ego. He would want to just stand there trading blows, to prove a point, and for most of their comic history, that's what he's done, to varying results.

 

[Venom'sDad]

You do realize that Hulk leaps 3 miles at a time....an ariel assault wouldn't be an issue imo.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I've never seen Superman's super speed be a factor in a a battle against someone as strong as himself. And as I've said before Hulk has beaten all of Marvel's Super-clones including Sentry's superman form which was stronger than present day Superman's and Gladiator who is also arguably stronger than Superman, because he does not work like a solar battery but by his confidence, and Hulk has beaten Hyperion who is a meaner version of Superman.

Flight and super-speed gave them no advantage. Flying away, running and hiding does not constitute a fight, unless you're tossing things at that distance.

 

[Kirmit]

On a simple toe to toe basis, of course, Superman may have some problems (depending on the Hulk incarnation he's facing, that is) but the great equalizer is flight. If he wanted to, Superman (and Thor) could engage in a strictly aerial assault, to which the Hulk really has no answer.

And, depending on the Hulk they're facing, they both could probably outsmart him, especially Thor, who has years of tactical expertise. The main problem with Thor however, is ego. He would want to just stand there trading blows, to prove a point, and for most of their comic history, that's what he's done, to varying results.

I don't think an aerial assault in an atmosphere would be a problem for Hulk, he can jump pretty damn high and has faced opponents before who had flight capability without problem.

When it comes to outsmarting Hulk, you're right, it does depend on which incarnation. Thankfully in recent years Marvel has been keeping Hulk pretty smart and tactile, this Hulk, I believe could outsmart both Thor and Superman.

 

[Gamma Ra]

And, depending on the Hulk they're facing, they both could probably outsmart him, especially Thor, who has years of tactical expertise. The main problem with Thor however, is ego. He would want to just stand there trading blows, to prove a point, and for most of their comic history, that's what he's done, to varying results.

The only version of the Hulk that could be outsmarted or rather tricked is the Savage/Child-like Hulk because he is like a naive child who believes everyone is as straight forward and honest as he is.

But as far as Gray Hulk/Joe Fixit, Gravage Hulk/Green Scar or Merged Hulk is concerned, NO ONE can trick or out think them in a battle. They are too cunning, crafty, none-trusting, devious and even scientific to be taken for fools or easily outsmarted. There is not one case anyone could show where any of those incarnations were duped, but the opposite can be said for them taking out top tier teams using those methods.

As early as Avengers #3 Gravage/Green Scar was outsmarting the Avengers in battle.