The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 1

[Gamma Burst]

So what you're essentially saying is moving a planet takes no form of strength at all? There are alot of flying characters in both DC & Marvel universes capable of flying just as fast, if not faster than Superman.. are you saying you feel all of these heroes (or villians) would be capable of moving a planet on the basis that they can fly?





Isn't World War Hulk in the same sort of ballpark as All Star Superman series? ie an elseworlds sort of story & not the character percieved 'canon'

The reason I ask is All Star Superman lifts 200,000,000,000,000,000,000 tons.. or 200 quintillion.. with ease.. and it's billed as 'not even being his upper limit'



Doomsday is a far, far, far stronger character though than the Hulk.. Hulk's strength may be billed as limitless, however his durability nor his level of invunerability are limitless.. something that Doomsday's IS.

You don't know much about hulk, i can see.
WWH not canon?
Btw, you should try to get some about Hulk's worldbreaker levels.

 

[Rain]

In Ultimates, Banner just wanted to be like Captain America. They should find a way to put that in. Maybe have Hulk do his own version of the shield toss like in TIH.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Doomsday is A LOT stronger than Hulk, are you now saying Hulk could beat Darkseid as well seeing as Doomsday has? Hulk couldnt beat Darkseid to me that is clear.

The only way I see Doomsday beating Hulk is the original "non-feeling/thinking" version of DD vs. Joe Fixit. The rematch between Supes and DD said that DD's thinking had evolved, and thus his ability to feel pain. That's why Supes took him out in that one (I think it was '03) in a relatively short fight.

The current DD would go down to the Savage, Prof, Green Scar versions of Hulk. The original DD version would give any of those Hulk versions a long tussle, but Hulk's healing factor would have kicked in where Superman began to falter. Thus, Hulk wins.

I brought this issue up in the fan art thread, What do you think if Marvel choose to give Hulk a tagline will be ?

Cap got The First Avenger
Shellhead got The Armoured Avenger
Goldilocks has The Mighty Avenger

>>What should Hulk's be ?
Hulk : The Strongest Avenger, The Invincible Avenger ?

The Broccoliest Avenger.

 

[Gamma Ra]

In Ultimates, Banner just wanted to be like Captain America. They should find a way to put that in. Maybe have Hulk do his own version of the shield toss like in TIH.

I could only stomach the first few issues of the Ultimates, there was nothing likable about that Bruce Banner portrayal. The guy was a loser.

 

[ArtTeacher]

So what you're essentially saying is moving a planet takes no form of strength at all? There are alot of flying characters in both DC & Marvel universes capable of flying just as fast, if not faster than Superman.. are you saying you feel all of these heroes (or villians) would be capable of moving a planet on the basis that they can fly?

No.
That is NOT what I'm essentially saying.
What I'm saying is, if Superman was 80 trillion times stronger than he is now, but he couldn't fly, he couldn't move a planet.
Period.
Conclusion: Using a feat of flight as proof of superior strength is erroneous.

Doomsday is a far, far, far stronger character though than the Hulk..

Again, where is the proof?

Hulk's strength may be billed as limitless, however his durability nor his level of invunerability are limitless.. something that Doomsday's IS.

Durability and invulnerability are not strength, I don't see how you can use them to show proof of superior strength.

I wasn't talking about literal strength more the fact that Doomsday is essentially an unkillable & unbeatable character.

And yet...he has been killed in his first appearance and has been beaten every single time after that.
Yep...that sounds like an unbeatable and unkillable character to me!

Hoooooookay.....now that THAT is done and overwith, can we move past the "Doomsday is bester than teh Hulk" discussion and talk about why The Strongest One There Is is sporting a 1990's high & tight hair do?!?!?!!?!!?

 

[Rain]

I could only stomach the first few issues of the Ultimates, there was nothing likable about that Bruce Banner portrayal. The guy was a loser.

Agreed. Hulk is a cannibal and Betty Ross is a *****. I don't want "Ultimates the movie". Some things could work. Like sleethless Thor, S.H.I.E.L.D. running the show (at first) etc.

 

[Gamma Ra]

Agreed. Hulk is a cannibal and Betty Ross is a *****. I don't want "Ultimates the movie". Some things could work. Like sleethless Thor, S.H.I.E.L.D. running the show (at first) etc.

I'm sure certain minor additions can be infused from the Ultimateverse, but PLEASE none of the characterizations.

 

[Iron_Stark]

I could only stomach the first few issues of the Ultimates, there was nothing likable about that Bruce Banner portrayal. The guy was a loser.

He was worse in that Ultimate Avengers DTV movie. Guy sounded like a crack addict waiting for another hit.

They need to look at the comics and some Bill Bixby.

 

[Gamma Ra]

LOL.

That DVD was the reason I first had fear that the Avengers movie would take that route. Like Marvel Studio's would think that was the right way to go.

 

[B]

You don't know much about hulk, i can see.
WWH not canon?
Btw, you should try to get some about Hulk's worldbreaker levels.

Like I said, I wasn't sure because I've never read World War Hulk from start to finish, I've read snippets, but not in any massive detail other than what I've heard on forums.. hense why I phrased it like a question.

Regardless, I stand by my statement that on paper there is no way any version of the Hulk should be able to defeat any version of Superman. He just has too many tools in his arsenal.

No.
That is NOT what I'm essentially saying.
What I'm saying is, if Superman was 80 trillion times stronger than he is now, but he couldn't fly, he couldn't move a planet.
Period.
Conclusion: Using a feat of flight as proof of superior strength is erroneous.

Oh.. so basically what your saying is I can't include moving a planet as a feat of strength because Hulk cannot fly?

Again, where is the proof?

What has he done for you to make this statement. Provide proof please.

I'd like to clarify, when I said Doomsday was billed as a far, far, far stronger character than The Hulk, I was replying to a previous post that said "If Doomsday could beat Superman...then Hulk could beat Superman."

I wasn't implying that Doomsday was physically a far, far, far stronger character in terms of lifting things.. I'm talking in the sense that he is an all round stronger character, essentially unbeatable/invunerable.. which brings me onto this:

And yet...he has been killed in his first appearance and has been beaten every single time after that.
Yep...that sounds like an unbeatable and unkillable character to me!

Durability and invulnerability are not strength, I don't see how you can use them to show proof of superior strength.

I presume you are not aware of Doomsday's 'origins' & his extreme durability/invunerability?

Doomsday was created through the cloning of an infant and having him killed over and over again by one of the most dangerous species of the universe and in one of the harshest habitats in existence, prehistoric Krypton. As such, the infant evolves and returns to life, becoming resistant or immune to whatever killed him before.

After Superman essentially beat Doomsday to death/unconscious in The Death of Superman series you've posted above, the next time they met Superman wasn't able to kill or beat Doomsday into submission because he had evolved & become stronger & resistant to being beaten to death/ko'd by 1 kryptonian.

So in theory, if Hulk, a character that is billed with supposedly 'limitless strength' managed to beat Doomsday to death (something he recovered from after mere days of being defeated by Superman), then we'd enter a spot that Doomsday would supposedly become.. well invunerable/resistant to whatever Hulk could throw at him the next time & would presumably become even physically stronger.

Doomsday's strength levels are quite varied, needless to say he has what can only be described as extreme superhuman strength & has managed to stand toe to toe with DC's strongest characters.

Hoooooookay.....now that THAT is done and overwith, can we move past the "Doomsday is bester than teh Hulk" discussion and talk about why The Strongest One There Is is sporting a 1990's high & tight hair do?!?!?!!?!!?

'Doomsday isn't bester than teh Hulk', hes just an all round far stronger character. Essentially unbeatable.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Superman's 'so many tools' are useless against someone as strong and durable as the Hulk.
Fact.

Superman's ''tools'' didn't help him against brutes such as mongul, doomsday and even konvict.

 

[Gamma Ra]

I'd like to clarify, when I said Doomsday was billed as a far, far, far stronger character than The Hulk, I was replying to a previous post that said "If Doomsday could beat Superman...then Hulk could beat Superman."

I wasn't implying that Doomsday was physically a far, far, far stronger character in terms of lifting things.. I'm talking in the sense that he is an all round stronger character, essentially unbeatable/invunerable.. which brings me onto this

Your statement still needs some type of proof. They're characters that exist in two different universes. Being "billed as" means nothing when someone from the other company can do "billing" of their own.

What actions has Doomsday done that make you sure he's "far, far, far stronger" in terms of anything as compared to the Hulk?

At least with the Superman debate, reference points were used.

 

[LOBO3315a]

I'm thinking if Hulk's strength is limitless, then every time he becomes stronger, he could defeat Doomsday in a different way. Limitless strength = limitless ways to destroy Doomsday. This would also apply to Superman. Hulk > Doomsday > Superman.

Now Back to Hulk in Avengers, what kind of haircut should he have?

 

[marvel_freshman]

 

[jadejaws]

much better!

 

[Gamma Burst]

I think Hulk looks perfect in this pic.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I love that snarl on his face.

 

[The Hulk]

Holy ***** Hulk looks amazing!!!!

 

[Superhero 101]

i don't like his hair but i will reserve judgement till an official shot of him can't rely on the art anymore after they threw a curveball for thor

 

[Herolee10]

On a interesting note; after having gotten a better look at a better quality of the Avengers Teaser;

Spoiler

I think Bruce Banner starts out in the film at the very same place that we last saw him in TIH.

Why do I say that? There were two shots shown in the teaser of a group of Soldiers (most likely Shield) that were surrounding a Cabin located in the woods. I'm thinking it may very well be the same cabin that Bruce had resided in Columbia at the end of TIH. In the second shot, we see the light in the house changing to a glowing green.

 

[B]

Superman's 'so many tools' are useless against someone as strong and durable as the Hulk.
Fact.

Superman's ''tools'' didn't help him against brutes such as mongul, doomsday and even konvict.

As I said, on paper Superman should 9 times out of 10 be beating The Hulk.

The original Death of Superman Doomsday fight was irritating because he was brawling with someone that effectively had razer blades on his hands & could match Superman physically blow for blow.. it is the same case with Mongul, however I've read some incarnations in which Mongul is written like Darkseid ie a generally far more powerful/stronger character than Superman & I've read others in which there is little to no difference.

If Superman was written as fighting intelligently ie using all of the powers he has in his toolbox he should be beating/banishing characters like Doomsday (at least once), Mongul & The Hulk considering they are all essentially just strong brutes.. at least as far as I am concerned he should.

Your statement still needs some type of proof. They're characters that exist in two different universes. Being "billed as" means nothing when someone from the other company can do "billing" of their own.

What actions has Doomsday done that make you sure he's "far, far, far stronger" in terms of anything as compared to the Hulk?

At least with the Superman debate, reference points were used.

Here read this link I've just found theres a good summery of some of his exploits & his powerlevels in said exploits: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Doomsday_(New_Earth)

I'm thinking if Hulk's strength is limitless, then every time he becomes stronger, he could defeat Doomsday in a different way. Limitless strength = limitless ways to destroy Doomsday. This would also apply to Superman. Hulk > Doomsday > Superman.

He can only beat him to death once though.. then when Doomsday comes back, Hulk wouldn't be able to beat him to death no matter how angry he gets.

I personally don't like the term 'limitless strength' (or how Doomsday's character is written as something that comes back stronger & stronger), it's one of the reasons I'm not madly into the Hulk character. I much prefare my characters to have some form of limits/slight realism.. particularly heroes.

Hulk's limits should be based upon how pissed off he can become, it's only physically (or mentally I suppose) possible to become so pissed off. What I mean is you eventually reach a point were you can't become any further enraged even if the thing that is pissing you off is still happening/still annoying you etc.

Superman's limit should be based upon just how much solar energy he can absorb. Just like a rechargable battery, it eventually reaches full & the longer you leave it plugged in on full charge the more damage it could do to the battery.

Now Back to Hulk in Avengers, what kind of haircut should he have?

I agree, I think this nerd-war has run it's course. t:

Is it known what Hulk's role in The Avengers will be? I'm assuming this is Hulk from TIH reboot ie No in depth speaches.

 

[torch1980]

Looks alot like the hulk, Love it!!!

 

[Slick]

On a interesting note; after having gotten a better look at a better quality of the Avengers Teaser;

Spoiler

I think Bruce Banner starts out in the film at the very same place that we last saw him in TIH.

Why do I say that? There were two shots shown in the teaser of a group of Soldiers (most likely Shield) that were surrounding a Cabin located in the woods. I'm thinking it may very well be the same cabin that Bruce had resided in Columbia at the end of TIH. In the second shot, we see the light in the house changing to a glowing green.

Also

Spoiler

At the end of the teaser when Thor throws his hammer it looks to be in a woods type of area and we know Thor and Hulk fight in the film. So when Bruce Hulks out and is to much for the Shield soldiers thats when Thor comes in.

 

[terry78]

He looks like he's about to knock the **** out of Thor.

 

[marcvader]

Why is Hulk squinting, does he need glasses?