The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[Godman]

So you want a comic book movie that ignores the comic book aspect of it. Sorry, I like the Batman movies, but to me those aren't "comic book" movies so much as drama with comic book elements in them.

YES i want a comic book BASED film to be a FILM and not a live action COMIC book. This is why The Dark Knight worked. It was translated to fit a LIVE action setting. I dont mind exaggeration but so long as the universe that movie has grounded itself in is consistent with its own rules. The Dark Knight started off on a realistic note so if at any time we saw batman leaping roofs like he does in the comics it would be off putting. Same goes for if bale was dressed in grey tights and had a side kick teenager in tights. It would break the logic they created in their own realm.

I like the Batman movies, but to me those aren't "comic book" movies so much as drama with comic book elements in them.

Exactly...thats what i like about live action adaptations when they are taken as serious as films done by dramatic/oscar directors etc. I'm not ten anymore and neither are comic books geared towards children anymore. The avengers they chose to go with is the Marvel Knights as Nick Fury is black etc etc which as i recall was for a mature audience, no? I know wasp is there as well as Ant man, but unless the movie style was a stylized Zack Snyder style world like Watchmen then it wouldn't work with the angle they have chosen to go with.

"Hulk Smash" is just goofy

 

[Godman]

How does Ant Man or Wasp insult peoples intelligence. Because they can shrink or grow? There is more to the characters than their powers.

When people judge characters based solely on their powers and whether they are cool or not, I call into question their maturity levels.

You are correct. It would work in a zack snyder setting where the whole movie calls for an intelligent crowd and thought provoking concepts, but there was nothing thought provoking about any of the recent Marvel movies besides the first Iron man which gave us a journey through his scientific realm of thinking and constructing of technology. They treated us like smart people who could follow along and didnt just make us suspend belief that suddenly he has built a suit and the next second he's flying all over with it without a practice run like spiderman did smh.

I LOVE the pacing they took in Batman Begins to make us truly care and be engaged with every aspect from psychology, technology, to capability. They grounded us in their world from the beginning. I shouldnt be able to say...wait a minute, that defies logic of human anatomy. Like whether captain america is strong or not he still wouldn't be able to leap over a gate without flipping or vaulting. he is only a perfect human, not a super strength human, no? maybe im wrong.

ANyway I like my comic based movies being practical and in the world they have already established for the avengers characters "Hulk Smash" would be silly as well as characters who shrink and grow. We are already dealing with disney and all id think is honey I shrunk the kids lol. but if they did it with an R rating or a mature based directorial style more so than a toy selling, saturday cartoon making, Disney watered down adventure then I could buy it. thing is... Snyder is not the director so in this incarnation, no "hulk smash" please as we are already twiddling on the edge of ten year oldness with the previous thor and captain america.

 

[WildcatNC]

"Hulk Smash" is not corny or cheesy. Overdone I might could agree with, i'd like to hear something other than that come out of his mouth.


The Marvel movies are exactly what they intended. Fun movies about superheroes that stayed true to the characters.

I understand there are legions of Nolan fans out there who want to "Nolanize" every superhero movie but thats ridiculous. It fits Batman and thats fine. It doesn't fit others.

To say there are only two ways to do a good comic book movie, to "Nolanize" it or to "Snyder" the movie (A Surreal stylized flick) is crazy talk.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I hate how you can't go into any movie thread without someone mentioning the Nolan batfilms.
anywho, I really wonder to what degree Bruce Banner himself actually intends on contributing to the team. Like I wonder if Banner wants to be on the team and is offering Hulks help or if they convinced Banner to join and are hoping hulk helps...

 

[Kirmit]

I hate how you can't go into any movie thread without someone mentioning the Nolan batfilms.
anywho, I really wonder to what degree Bruce Banner himself actually intends on contributing to the team. Like I wonder if Banner wants to be on the team and is offering Hulks help or if they convinced Banner to join and are hoping hulk helps...

This is something they never really explored in the previous Hulk films, what Banner can do to help, not just Hulk. Personally I think Banner could add alot to the team, he is a genius afterall, he should have good interactions with Stark, also being a genius.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

This is something they never really explored in the previous Hulk films, what Banner can do to help, not just Hulk. Personally I think Banner could add alot to the team, he is a genius afterall, he should have good interactions with Stark, also being a genius.

I would really like them to emphasize on the genius aspect of banner. TIH came the closest but I want to see more.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ As do I

 

[terry78]

Of course they'll say they only want him for his brain, but he'll probably be aware that they kind of want him as a secret weapon to be unleashed whenever **** gets crazy. He's not so stupid that he won't know it. Though he may actually not be too thrilled with it, but like in the original books Hulk himself may want to so he's actually on their side instead of being hunted by them.

 

[WildcatNC]

Of course they'll say they only want him for his brain, but he'll probably be aware that they kind of want him as a secret weapon to be unleashed whenever **** gets crazy. He's not so stupid that he won't know it. Though he may actually not be too thrilled with it, but like in the original books Hulk himself may want to so he's actually on their side instead of being hunted by them.

Ladies do that to me all the time. Say they want me for my mind but really just want me for my body.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Welcome to the club, bub.

 

[Xeno]

"Hulk Smash" is not corny or cheesy. Overdone I might could agree with, i'd like to hear something other than that come out of his mouth.


The Marvel movies are exactly what they intended. Fun movies about superheroes that stayed true to the characters.

I understand there are legions of Nolan fans out there who want to "Nolanize" every superhero movie but thats ridiculous. It fits Batman and thats fine. It doesn't fit others.

To say there are only two ways to do a good comic book movie, to "Nolanize" it or to "Snyder" the movie (A Surreal stylized flick) is crazy talk.

I totally agree. There are a variety of approaches that writers and directors can use when creating comic book movies. Different models work for different characters. The idea that a "one size fits all" attitude can be successful is ridiculous. The danger is that producers will be tempted to force every character to conform to whatever approach is currently popular without regard to the needs of the franchise.

Marvel's style is lighter, wittier and more engaging than that of the batfranchise, and that tone suits its characters well.

 

[WildcatNC]

I totally agree. There are a variety of approaches that writers and directors can use when creating comic book movies. Different models work for different characters. The idea that a "one size fits all" attitude can be successful is ridiculous. The danger is that producers will be tempted to force every character to conform to whatever approach is currently popular without regard to the needs of the franchise.

Marvel's style is lighter, wittier and more engaging than that of the batfranchise, and that tone suits its characters well.

Now, now. ALL comic book movies have to be "gritty" and "realistic" these days to be good. We all know this now.

 

[Guerrilla]

This is something they never really explored in the previous Hulk films, what Banner can do to help, not just Hulk. Personally I think Banner could add alot to the team, he is a genius afterall, he should have good interactions with Stark, also being a genius.

Well, didn't we see Banner leave with Stark at one of the last scenes being filmed? Maybe they're set up to be working together in IM3. If that were to happen then they could make a stronger case for TIH2 to get made. To have Banner/Hulk have a good showing in the Avengers and to have Ruffalo establish himself further as hulk in IM3. Probably not, but I just want TIH2 to happen and I want ruffalo to be who we think of as the hulk for awhile, just like RDJ is Stark. At least for the near future. In any case, you are absolutely right, it just makes sense that the two geniuses would want to work together.

 

[WildcatNC]

Well, didn't we see Banner leave with Stark at one of the last scenes being filmed? Maybe they're set up to be working together in IM3. If that were to happen then they could make a stronger case for TIH2 to get made. To have Banner/Hulk have a good showing in the Avengers and to have Ruffalo establish himself further as hulk in IM3. Probably not, but I just want TIH2 to happen and I want ruffalo to be who we think of as the hulk for awhile, just like RDJ is Stark. At least for the near future. In any case, you are absolutely right, it just makes sense that the two geniuses would want to work together.

I don't think he will be in IM III but I agree with you about TIH II. I really want it to get made.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I honestly wonder that if TIH2 does happen, What type of director would they look at hiring. A couple years ago after I saw D9 and I thought Bomkamp would be a unique yet fitting candidate for Hulk. Simply because he presented a movie that had degree of emotional depth, clandestine forces after a man who wants his life back, good character development, and interesting action sequences. But now I don't know, I don't think there are many directors that could handle both Bruce and Hulk without losing one in translation.

 

[Avenger]

I think they should drop that TV series they've been talking about and have Guillermo del Toro direct the next Hulk movie.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

That's always a possibility too...

 

[WildcatNC]

I think they should drop that TV series they've been talking about and have Guillermo del Toro direct the next Hulk movie.

I could get behind that.

 

[Dark Raven]

There have been many times when a TV series has been proposed and then it later becomes a movie, and vice versa. Star Trek Phase II was a proposed series in the 70s but most of it became what we know as Star Trek the slow Motion Picture.

Conversely, hasn't a Hawaii Five-O movie been tossed around for years before it became a TV series again?

 

[November Rain]

not sure i could handle a hulk tv show in fairness

 

[warcam]

I don't know why Marvel/Disney (or Marney for short) thinks a Hulk TV show would be more financially feasible than say Moon Knight or Heroes For Hire. The cost for the VFX would have to make it one of the most expensive TV shows, if it's done right. Otherwise, you could end up with Marvel's version of Smallville.

 

[Doc Samson]

I LOVE the pacing they took in Batman Begins to make us truly care and be engaged with every aspect from psychology, technology, to capability. They grounded us in their world from the beginning. I shouldnt be able to say...wait a minute, that defies logic of human anatomy. Like whether captain america is strong or not he still wouldn't be able to leap over a gate without flipping or vaulting. he is only a perfect human, not a super strength human, no? maybe im wrong.

Well technically, that's exactly what Marvel did with Cap. They say he's just the pinnacle of human development, but in TIH, Blonsky was flipping all over the place, running at almost bionic speed & surviving blunt trauma from the strongest one there is, all due to the same serum.

This was one of the more crucial things I was worried about with Cap, because if he's supposed to be the only perfect result from the serum, he had better be able to do all the stuff Blonsky was doing, and then some. If they refused to acknowledge that, then the whole continuity of their "universe" should be called into question, since it was already established what the SS Serum could do to someone even less receptive to it.

I do agree with you on the Nolan films, however their completely different types of movies. Yes, they're both in the same genre, but the approach couldn't be any more different. Marvel films, from the start, have had a lighter, more whimsical quality to them, while still retaining the action. You could even call it formulaic, which isn't meant as disrespect, but does play a role in the tone of the overall Universe.

Nolan's Batman isn't bound to such constraints, but I imagine if it were tied to some unified Universe with say, the new Superman, things would've been very different.

I don't know why Marvel/Disney (or Marney for short) thinks a Hulk TV show would be more financially feasible than say Moon Knight or Heroes For Hire. The cost for the VFX would have to make it one of the most expensive TV shows, if it's done right. Otherwise, you could end up with Marvel's version of Smallville.

I can't imagine any scenario where it wouldn't end up that way. A proper Hulk isn't cheap

 

[November Rain]

I don't know why Marvel/Disney (or Marney for short) thinks a Hulk TV show would be more financially feasible than say Moon Knight or Heroes For Hire. The cost for the VFX would have to make it one of the most expensive TV shows, if it's done right. Otherwise, you could end up with Marvel's version of Smallville.

i think the fantastic four would work as a better marvel version of smallville, with the obvious doom mr fantastic interaction.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Godman's view on comicbook movies is the view that I truly despise.

I want to see COMICBOOK SUPERHERO MOVIES and to me MARVEL has done a really good job of that. I want to see amazing and iconic stuff from the page brought to life on the big screen.

Nolan's approach can stay with Batman. It's one of the reasons tdk does absolutely nothing for me. I went in to see a CBSM and got a boring crime drama where Batman extradites a corrupt Chinese businessman.

 

[Dark Raven]

I just hope that the special effects for this TV series, as overseen by Del Toro, doesn't turn out to be more realistic than Hulk in the Avengers, because they're forced to work with practical effects rather than tons of CGI. If that's the case, then they should do more animatronics etc for the Avengers.

And if it is CGI for this show, can we really cope with a CGI character on a weekly basis?