The Avengers The Official 'Hulk in Avengers' thread. - Part 2

[terry78]

They might have it come to a stalemate or something so both sets of fans won't be able to say "my dude is stronger". Probably have someone intervene or whatever or something to stop it, like collateral damage threatening bystanders and one of them going to help, followed by the other. Maybe if Hulk instinctively attempts to shield someone from rubble and Thor sees it and senses he has some honor.

 

[Nathan]

Strength is Hulk's only schtick. So I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he batters Thor. Even though I would completely dislike it.

 

[shigsy2003]

They might have it come to a stalemate or something so both sets of fans won't be able to say "my dude is stronger". Probably have someone intervene or whatever or something to stop it, like collateral damage threatening bystanders and one of them going to help, followed by the other. Maybe if Hulk instinctively attempts to shield someone from rubble and Thor sees it and senses he has some honor.

Ahhh I like that idea...it would settle it fairly and show the good side of Hulk.

Strength is hulk's only schtick. So I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he batters else. Even though I would completely dislike it.

Yeah...if he batters Cap and Iron Man I don't have a problem...he should batter them...but Thor...Thor shouldn't get battered by him.

 

[BigThor]

It's gonna be interesting to see how powerful they make Thor against the Hulk. He's the only one who can technically stand toe to toe with the Hulk and actually end the fight. Unless of course they make it so the Hulk batters Thor like they always do. Hmmmm should be interesting to see how it's handled.

I sure hope they don't go that route again, it's gotten old really fast and seeing an "even fight" is SO much more satisfying than a 1-sided one.

Yeah...if he batters Cap and Iron Man I don't have a problem...he should batter them...but Thor...Thor shouldn't get battered by him.

I agree 100%

 

[shigsy2003]

I sure hope they don't go that route again, it's gotten old really fast and seeing an "even fight" is SO much more satisfying than a 1-sided one.



I agree 100%

I concur. Hulk obliterating Thor is so very dull. Thor's a God....A GOD and yet he gets totalled by the Hulk. I know the Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets...but like surely Thor would have a fair attempt at knocking him out BEFORE he gets too mad? I will settle for a stalemate...but if Hulk wins...and wins clearly I will be very disappointed.

 

[BigThor]

I concur. Hulk obliterating Thor is so very dull. Thor's a God....A GOD and yet he gets totalled by the Hulk. I know the Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets...but like surely Thor would have a fair attempt at knocking him out BEFORE he gets too mad? I will settle for a stalemate...but if Hulk wins...and wins clearly I will be very disappointed.

That is exactly what happens in pretty much every Hulk and Thor fight in the media, and it's a shame because a Hulk/Thor fight can be EPIC if executed correctly.

 

[Lantern Venom]

It's gonna be interesting to see how powerful they make Thor against the Hulk. He's the only one who can technically stand toe to toe with the Hulk and actually end the fight. Unless of course they make it so the Hulk batters Thor like they always do. Hmmmm should be interesting to see how it's handled.

I don't have a problem with Hulk pounding Thor in a long fight. The more Hulk becomes enraged, the more invulnerable he becomes. But it doesn't seem logical for an immortal like Thor to be easily handled. He's should be able to at least hold his own for a few minutes.

 

[WildcatNC]

It should be a stalemate. They should both be shocked and surprised that someone could stand toe to toe with them.

Problem is that even though Hulk gets stronger the madder he gets, Thor has so much more overall "power" at his disposal. He can do so much more than just be strong. Even if Hulk gets stronger, Thor should still hold his own.

 

[Tony Stark]

Doesn't Hulk's healing factor rival Wolverine though? Pretty much the most effective ways of beating the hulk have been to gas him, or tranq him. The problem with him fighting Thor, is Thor wants to kick the **** out of him, and it only gets the Hulk more pissed off. Sure some writers have not been fair to Thor, but I think that Marvel understands that Thor can go toe to toe with the Hulk, but it's more the strategy that's in question.

 

[Xeno]

Actually, the best way to take the Hulk out is to wait until he transforms back into Banner and put a few of rounds through his head. That's what I would do. I'm surprised that Ross or Fury (or even Stark) haven't done it yet.

 

[Boom]

Don't they need him alive?

 

[terry78]

Actually, the best way to take the Hulk out is to wait until he transforms back into Banner and put a few of rounds through his head. That's what I would do. I'm surprised that Ross or Fury (or even Stark) haven't done it yet.

That doesn't work, Hulk's preservation instincts involuntarily have him revert back anytime something lethal is about to happen to Banner. Basically unless it's of natural causes, the Hulk will never allow Banner to die. Also they don't want to kill Hulk, they both want him for their own personal usage.

 

[LOBO3315a]

I think the way a Thor/Hulk fight should be handled is Thor thinking Hulk is a danger, and trying to stop him. Only he doesn't use enough force, and only winds up making Hulk madder, to the point that Thor does something drastic like calling down lightning because a match of strength is not working. When one of the bolts breaks off a chunk of a building, causing it to fall towards some civilians, Hulk leaps into action, bracing the building before it collapses on top of them.

Thor, seeing this, realizes the error of his ways, and leaps in to help Hulk continue to brace the building. The two of them are just barely holding it back. There's one of the civilians (maybe Betty?) who is unconscious, and can't move out of the way. Hulk realizes this, gets super mad, and flings the building out of Thor's hands, toppling it back in the direction it came.

Once the danger is over, Thor drops Mjölnir, puts his hands up in a gesture of peace and says to Hulk, "Our fight is over, Hulk. You are indeed the strongest one there is. Not only in sheer power, but where it truly matters; the strength of a hero's heart. I was wrong for judging you by your appearance, and ask your forgiveness."


This scenario would serve several purposes. It shows that Hulk is the strongest there is. It also harkens back to the original lesson of humility that Thor learned in his banishment to Midgard. Finally, it shows that there is a thinking mind inside of Hulk, a hero who will defend the weak, and will only fight when he perceives a threat.

 

[Xeno]

That doesn't work, Hulk's preservation instincts involuntarily have him revert back anytime something lethal is about to happen to Banner. Basically unless it's of natural causes, the Hulk will never allow Banner to die. Also they don't want to kill Hulk, they both want him for their own personal usage.

What, does he have some sort of spider sense that tells him when a sniper is about to blow his head off? How about when Banner is asleep? Unless he has been ret-conned into a telepath, there isn't any realistic way for him to be able to sense every threat that arises. Hulk wouldn't have any choice in "allowing" Banner to die if his grey matter were splattered in a split second. His healing factor isn't going to regrow a brain any time soon.

As far as "needing" the Hulk is concerned, that is a temporary thing. Once the threat is handled, Hulk can very quickly become the next threat himself. The government has a duty to protect its citizens from a criminal who has killed in the past and can pretty much be counted on to do so in the future. The Ultimate version is like a superpowered Dahmer. In the real world, there would be no way Banner would be allowed to live, much less roam free. The military would take him out and burn what was left, as well they should.

 

[November Rain]

It wasn't Thor's hand gesture that caused the hammer to fly a few miles to get to him, it was Odin sending it to him because of his newly regained "worthiness".

but smaller gesturs that thor has made, has caused his hammer to come back to him at a similar velocity

It says "shall possess the power of Thor" not the "power of Mjolnir", Thor had "Thor's power" before Mjolnir even came to the picture.

So Thor doesn't get anymore powerful from using Mjolnir since it's using HIS power to begin with, Thor's power is what the wielder recieves not Mjolnir's power.

thor's power is now directly connected to his hammer

and in the film, this isn't necessarily referring to his strength, more like his ability to manipulate weather as the god of thunder

like i said before, his hammer wouldn't make hulk any stronger and therefore wouldn't affect the ability for his hammer to cause damage

mystical weapon, mystical rules

 

[Marvel Spider]

I think the brief shot of Thor looking up at something in the woods in the BTS sneak peak from the Cap DVD is him looking up at Hulk. This of course followed by a brawl and Thor throwing his hammer at him (like in the teaser).

On a side note, I hope they fix the way Thor threw his hammer from that scene. I'm pretty sure I'm the one trillionth person to mention that.

 

[Boom]

I want to see The Hulk .

 

[Obi-Ron]

I want to see Hulk 2 announced, since all the other Avengers seem to be getting sequels.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Which should tell you something

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I hope it says TIH2 is the second 2014 movie.

 

[Xeno]

The Hulk is getting a TV show helmed by Guillermo del Toro, not a movie sequel. Marvel is willing to put out the money for a third reboot of the franchise. Hulk was successful on the small screen once so they're banking on repeating that formula. Television shows cost far less and the return can be great if it's a success. If it fails they aren't out anywhere near what another theatrical disappointment would cost the studio.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

That's why they need to put themselves in a position where Hulk will be a B.O. hit. Plus TIH was nowhere near a theatrical disappointment imo.

 

[Xeno]

TIH was a disappointment in terms of its earnings, but as a film it was as strong as any of the other Avengers films. It simply did not do as well as it deserved to do, for whatever reason. Perhaps people were turned off by the previous Hulk film and weren't willing to give TIH a chance. The studio isn't as interested in why the film didn't make as much as they had hoped as they are in the bottom line, unfortunately.

 

[Herolee10]

TIH was a disappointment in terms of its earnings, but as a film it was as strong as any of the other Avengers films. It simply did not do as well as it deserved to do, for whatever reason. Perhaps people were turned off by the previous Hulk film and weren't willing to give TIH a chance. The studio isn't as interested in why the film didn't make as much as they had hoped as they are in the bottom line, unfortunately.

I think that the bad impression that Ang Lee's Hulk left on some moviegoers, along with the lack of promotion, its release date being placed not far from TDK (I think), and the studio having creative conflicts with Norton and Lou when it came down to the final theatrical cut, really damaged on how the film could have really done.

But aside from all of those issues, imho, a film about the Hulk SHOULD dive more into the character's mindset and give audiences a look into the character that we have never been able to see before, the kind of depth that only the comics seem to do for the character.

Even IF we don't get a sequel to TIH, I think the character will still return for future Avengers films.

 

[Godzilla2000]

You know, I was just thinking of something that would be pretty interesting. I mean how interesting would it be for Loki to not realize just what he's messing with concerning the Hulk and have it come back to bite him when the Hulk turns on him?