The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 10

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Um... Legion is the best superhero show on tv right now. I get wanting FF rights to revert back to Marvel but depriving fans of the one thing Fox is not only doing right but imo better than Marvel or DC for an unrelated property would be petty.

I've never seen a single episode of Legion and have no intention on doing so. So Marvel can do whatever they want with it if the contract allows them to.

Meanwhile Marvel-Netflix, AOS and the CW-verse still get top billing over anything Fox flings on the TV screen or on film.

The Inhuman's is shaping up to be crap but I'm willing to get it a chance since I'm sure it would've been better if Marvel had F4's rights to introduce it in a better way.
 
X-Men Apocalypse still got over half a billion dollars worldwide. None of what you think means Fox is going to lose the rights anytime soon, especially for X-Men.

Yeah, and none of what you assume was even my objective at this point!

Fox could have X-men for the next 25 years (God Forbid) but Fox-Marvel now being lowest on the Totem thanks to the MCU helping Sony and Wonder Woman being successful while not needing nudity or an R rating to pass Logan, I'm enjoying the spectacle.

It's like watching you hoot and holler at Fox score a couple touchdowns while Marvel Studios continues to win Super Bowls every year. Funny how the "franchise player" of Logan retired still wanting to be traded to Marvel Studios.

Oh and don't leave out Disney's cut of that paltry half a billion you're so proud of Fox-pocalypse just getting by on. The percentage isn't much but neither is the anticipation for any Fox-men film that's PG13 which Fox still has no choice in making for the most part.

I know I said I wouldn't acknowledge you anymore but this is fun. And now I see why others do it..... Or just laugh as they read certain post! Respectfully of course...
 
I've never seen a single episode of Legion and have no intention on doing so. So Marvel can do whatever they want with it if the contract allows them to.

I watched Legion. I liked it. I'm looking forward to a new season... but I'd gladly give up the ability to see any more just to spite Fox.:woot:

Four years ago, I had no horse in the Fox/Marvel battle. Marvel was making better films, but there was no reason to believe Fox couldn't make a good film if they devoted the resources to it. But they have withheld those resources from FF. And not only have they withheld the resources and insulted the FF and FF fans at every opportunity, but they refuse to let a studio that respects the property and fans do their thing.

And that has led me to learn to hate Fox over the last several years. It may be irrational, petulant and immature to wish them ill will, but after what they've done to the FF, all I can say us "F*** Fox!". F*** them so much. I'm going to enjoy every misfortune that befalls them until they turn over the rights and stop crapping all over the FF.

Franklin and Valeria? F*** you!
 
They honestly made just as many mistakes as Fox did with FFINO imo.

Fidelity to the source material aside (because I can come up with many reasons for why you are wrong on this), that is absolutely untrue. You make the mistake of thinking only comic book fans hated Fant4stic. That is far from true. Critics who don't really care for the source hated it, regular movie goers hated it. The vast majority of people hated the film, and for good reason, it was terribly made. A boring and uneventful 1st act, barely a 2nd act, and a 3rd act so rushed and sloppy you just want the film to end. Even if they kept to the source material, the film would still be bad because the film on its own was garbage.

Even if Marvel strays from the source material, they are still capable of making solid films. Homecoming has its faults, but its a really entertaining film, and Holland is very well realized as Peter Parker. I'd even go as far as say Zendaya's character who was only in the film for under 5 minutes was more developed than the entirety of the Fant4stic cast.
 
I watched Legion. I liked it. I'm looking forward to a new season... but I'd gladly give up the ability to see any more just to spite Fox.:woot:

Four years ago, I had no horse in the Fox/Marvel battle. Marvel was making better films, but there was no reason to believe Fox couldn't make a good film if they devoted the resources to it. But they have withheld those resources from FF. And not only have they withheld the resources and insulted the FF and FF fans at every opportunity, but they refuse to let a studio that respects the property and fans do their thing.

And that has led me to learn to hate Fox over the last several years. It may be irrational, petulant and immature to wish them ill will, but after what they've done to the FF, all I can say us "F*** Fox!". F*** them so much. I'm going to enjoy every misfortune that befalls them until they turn over the rights and stop crapping all over the FF.

Franklin and Valeria? F*** you!

Yeah, word of mouth for Legion has been nothing but positive. Just like with Logan but after hearing that moron Kinberg talk during interviews after Deadpool's success I vowed never to support another Fox film or show.

It feels like Kinberg's getting power due to films and shows he's not even all that responsible for. And as cool as DP was it's still not worth giving Fox the ability to hold on to F4 for another 7 years.

Now if they had the common sense to stick with what they're actually good at then I'd have no problem. So we can't be singled out as "haters" or "being petty" considering all that Fox is doing with the F4 franchise.

And after that "Franklin and Valeria" news they purposely leaked to get a rise out of Marvel and F4 fans, I consider any ill will Fox receives as long overdue Karma.
 
AOS is dog crap compared to Legion in my opinion but who am I to stand in the way of people hating/boycotting something just because their corporate overlord didn't put their brand on it. I'm a huge fan of what Marvel puts out typically but some of these brand loyalty comments are silly lol.
 
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AOS is dog crap compared to Legion in my opinion but who am I to stand in the way of people hating/boycotting something just because their corporate overlord didn't put their brand on it. I'm a huge fan of what Marvel puts out typically but some of these brand loyalty comments are silly lol.

You are mistaking the refusal of some fans to consume Fox's films and TV shows for loyalty to only one studio. When one dislikes a corporation's behavior it's pretty it is pretty common to stop buying their products. Speaking only for myself, I also watch films made by WB and Sony, as well as DC shows on CW. I haven't seen any Fox film in a theater since X3 and I intend to keep that streak going. The studio isn't doing anything that I'm even remotely interested in seeing, over and above the fact that it has royally screwed the FF over.
 
You are mistaking the refusal of some fans to consume Fox's films and TV shows for loyalty to only one studio. When one dislikes a corporation's behavior it's pretty it is pretty common to stop buying their products. Speaking only for myself, I also watch films made by WB and Sony, as well as DC shows on CW. I haven't seen any Fox film in a theater since X3 and I intend to keep that streak going. The studio isn't doing anything that I'm even remotely interested in seeing, over and above the fact that it has royally screwed the FF over.

I just find the whole thing petty when you get stuff like this:
It's like watching you hoot and holler at Fox score a couple touchdowns while Marvel Studios continues to win Super Bowls every year.
it is what it is I guess.
 
Yeah, and none of what you assume was even my objective at this point!

Fox could have X-men for the next 25 years (God Forbid) but Fox-Marvel now being lowest on the Totem thanks to the MCU helping Sony and Wonder Woman being successful while not needing nudity or an R rating to pass Logan, I'm enjoying the spectacle.

What does Wonder Woman have to do with this conversation at all? Wonder Woman is a DC Comics property owned by Time Warner/Warner Bros.

You make it sound like I'm anti-Marvel or something. I'm not. I'm a Marvel fan, and I've enjoyed just about all the Marvel Studios releases. It doesn't really matter in your mind that Marvel is scoring touchdowns or surpassing Fox Marvel films. Most of the Fox Marvel films are still so successful that they continue to justify Fox's exploitation of the X-Men brand.

It's like watching you hoot and holler at Fox score a couple touchdowns while Marvel Studios continues to win Super Bowls every year. Funny how the "franchise player" of Logan retired still wanting to be traded to Marvel Studios.

Marvel Studios winning Super Bowls isn't going to give them X-Men or Fantastic Four at Comic-Con this year. Fox's hold on X-Men isn't loosening anytime soon, especially with the strong performances of Deadpool and Logan.

I think Deadpool and Logan are good films. I hated Apocalypse, but it still made a lot of money for 20th Century Fox. It definitely under-performed, but not enough so Fox is going to get the X-Men rights wrested from their grip anytime soon.

Oh and don't leave out Disney's cut of that paltry half a billion you're so proud of Fox-pocalypse just getting by on. The percentage isn't much but neither is the anticipation for any Fox-men film that's PG13 which Fox still has no choice in making for the most part.

Disney didn't get a cut of that paltry half a billion. Plus they still had Deadpool last year, which made $783 million off of a $58 million budget.

I know I said I wouldn't acknowledge you anymore but this is fun. And now I see why others do it..... Or just laugh as they read certain post! Respectfully of course...

Go right ahead.
 
You are mistaking the refusal of some fans to consume Fox's films and TV shows for loyalty to only one studio. When one dislikes a corporation's behavior it's pretty it is pretty common to stop buying their products. Speaking only for myself, I also watch films made by WB and Sony, as well as DC shows on CW. I haven't seen any Fox film in a theater since X3 and I intend to keep that streak going. The studio isn't doing anything that I'm even remotely interested in seeing, over and above the fact that it has royally screwed the FF over.

Yep. I loved Wonder Woman and I hope DC is back on track. Up until a few years ago, I saw every Fox-Marvel film on opening weekend, but the way they continue to treat FF makes me sick and my dislike of them makes me disinterested in seeing any more of their films.

If Fox could actually somehow, someway, convince me they were something more than complete a**holes, I would be willing to give them another chance. But at this point, they've dug themselves in such a deep hole, that would be nearly impossible.

I will protest any new FF film with everything I've got, and after 3 times they've fooled me, I won't pay any attention to anything they claim about it. Maybe, MAYBE, if Zarex, Snaaaake and others all come in here and say: "Guys, I've just seen the new Fox FF and it's AMAZING! It's straight out of the comic books and better than anything Marvel has ever done!", I might consider going.

But I consider the chances of that extremely unlikely.
 
They honestly made just as many mistakes as Fox did with FFINO imo.

Tell me, which of these images is instantly recognizable as their comic book counter-part and which looks like a cheap knock-off?

spider-man-homecoming-marvel-easter-egg-guide.jpg


FantasticFourFeat.jpg
 
That was a knockout punch, then two kicks after the body hit the floor. Face it guys, the supporting cast of Homecoming is almost entirely characters INO.
 
If someone would actually nail the FF, I can absolutely promise you won't see me whining if Wyatt Wingfoot, Alicia Masters and Agatha Harkness look a little different than their comic versions.

In fact, I haven't even seen Wyatt or Agatha yet, and the only version of Alicia was black.

What if it goes beyond the look?
 
What if it goes beyond the look?

Fine with me. They're minor characters. I haven't had the luxury of seeing a film that has even been close on any points, so I'm not so spoiled I can get hung up on those minor details.

What did you think of the Agatha Harkness and Wyatt Wingfoot characters in the three FF films we've seen?

How well did the films capture those characters?
 
AOS is dog crap compared to Legion in my opinion but who am I to stand in the way of people hating/boycotting something just because their corporate overlord didn't put their brand on it. I'm a huge fan of what Marvel puts out typically but some of these brand loyalty comments are silly lol.

Wait! My "Corporate Overlord"? Has me rejecting Legion hurt people's feelings that bad?

I mean I've only been here for a year (Oh "Happy Anniversary to me btw") but you'd think that Admin/Mod's would see the full picture here even if there is some disagreement on preference.

As for "Brand Loyalty" I could go on about how much I enjoy the CW-verse and the Wonder Woman film but that would pretty much be derailing the real picture here.

But turning your back on Studios who's Marvel record is mostly notorious for lack of quality is anything but "Silly".
 
Werren't they only in cartoons and video games? The movies didn't have them unless I'm missing something.
 
Wait! My "Corporate Overlord"? Has me rejecting Legion hurt people's feelings that bad?

I mean I've only been here for a year (Oh "Happy Anniversary to me btw") but you'd think that Admin/Mod's would see the full picture here even if there is some disagreement on preference.

As for "Brand Loyalty" I could go on about how much I enjoy the CW-verse and the Wonder Woman film but that would pretty much be derailing the real picture here.

But turning your back on Studios who's Marvel record is mostly notorious for lack of quality is anything but "Silly".

Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm not a hardcore fan of Marvel so perhaps I was being too harsh and I apologise. I have read some Fantastic Four stuff but I will admit I've got nothing on you guys.
 
If I'm reading that article correctly they didn't. They control the film's merchandising profits, but don't get a cut of the box office.
You're not!
You're confusing Sony's current deal with Marvel with Fox's deal which hasn't changed at all since about 2004.

It sounds like you didn't read page 2!

Even after all the maneuvering, Marvel retained a hefty royalty of 5 percent of the "first dollar" revenue Fox generated from a Deadpool film, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. That gives Disney a 5 percent slice off the top of revenue that Fox receives from ticket or DVD sales, and from other income.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/134...dpool-is-paying-dividends-for-disney-too.html

Also before this article there were Avi Arad interviews from about 15 years ago that break down the percentages that Marvel gets from Sony, Fox, New Line, etc. as well as the reason why Marvel decided created their own films in the first place.
 
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If I'm reading that article correctly they didn't. They control the film's merchandising profits, but don't get a cut of the box office.

The information is on page 2 of the article:

Even after all the maneuvering, Marvel retained a hefty royalty of 5 percent of the "first dollar" revenue Fox generated from a Deadpool film, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. That gives Disney a 5 percent slice off the top of revenue that Fox receives from ticket or DVD sales, and from other income.

Marvel also negotiated to keep most of the merchandising rights that the film helps to promote. "The company generally retains control of merchandising rights and retains more than 50 percent of merchandised based royalty," Marvel said in a 2006 financial filing.

As for this Disney/Marvel vs. Fox/Marvel thing even though it doesn't matter to the films box office I don't support Fox products for one simple reason. I want to see the Marvel universe unified on screen with all the characters Avengers, SM, FF and X-Men together.

Whether it gets done like the Sony deal or with Disney getting the rights back doesn't matter to me. But since Fox doesn't want to play ball I have no issues with Disney screwing with them however they can.
 
You're not!
You're confusing Sony's current deal with Marvel with Fox's deal which has changed at all since about 2004.

Verbatim from the article:

Disney's Marvel unit licensed the Deadpool character away more than two decades before Disney acquired Marvel. But it retained some of Hollywood's most advantageous terms in the license agreement, according to people with knowledge of the agreement. In addition, the agreement allows Disney to control how merchandise for the Fox hit is marketed.


I've yet to see any evidence they do recently beyond licensing fees and merchandising rights.

There's Avi Arad interviews from about 15 years ago that break down the percentages that Marvel gets from Sony, Fox, New Line, etc. as well as the reason why Marvel created their own Marvel films in the first place.

That's 15 years ago. I'm talking about 2017.


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Reading further into the article, it looks like Marvel ALLEGEDLY gets five percent off of Deadpool. But that's if you believe the report.

Even after all the maneuvering, Marvel retained a hefty royalty of 5 percent of the "first dollar" revenue Fox generated from a Deadpool film, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. That gives Disney a 5 percent slice off the top of revenue that Fox receives from ticket or DVD sales, and from other income.

So they get five percent and they control the merchandising rights. So I'll concede on that point.
 
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Look, I'm not trying to be a jerk here. I'm not a hardcore fan of Marvel so perhaps I was being too harsh and I apologise. I have read some Fantastic Four stuff but I will admit I've got nothing on you guys.

I'm just a guy that likes the Fantastic Four and their adventures. Just read a few of their stories and liked them. I was unimpressed by Fox's 2005 and 2007 films. However, the 2015 film angered me because it was nothing more than a rights grab movie with how cheap-looking and boring it was. Its really understandable why another Fantastic Four reboot by Fox would cause ire among the fans considering that. Personally, I don't want another reboot by Fox. Just a decent Fantastic Four movie and the MCU is the highest chance by that.
 
If Fox makes another one, Disney should sue them for violation of the quality clause and damage to the brand.
 
Wait! My "Corporate Overlord"? Has me rejecting Legion hurt people's feelings that bad?

I mean I've only been here for a year (Oh "Happy Anniversary to me btw") but you'd think that Admin/Mod's would see the full picture here even if there is some disagreement on preference.

As for "Brand Loyalty" I could go on about how much I enjoy the CW-verse and the Wonder Woman film but that would pretty much be derailing the real picture here.

But turning your back on Studios who's Marvel record is mostly notorious for lack of quality is anything but "Silly".

WB had Batman and Robin, Steel, Green Lantern, Batman v Superman and Suicide Squad. So yes, I find your statement on turning your back on a studio for lack of quality "silly" when the previous paragraph mentions that you gave both Wonder Woman and the CW-verse a chance.

Conversely, you could have simply said you don't care for Fox's take on the X-Men universe but I'm sure there are a lot of people that would disagree with your assessment that Fox is notorious for their lack of quality. Inconsistent sure, but lack of quality is pretty much a case by case basis which is just as true for WB, the Netflix-verse, and to a lesser extant the MCU. They all have the fair share of duds.
 
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