The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 10

[Stark Bauer]

^ right. Sony made a small profit from TASM - both movies. FFINO lost money. Sony lost confidence because they know they can make a lot more from their property. Fox lost our trust and their credibility and no one will be fooled a third time...it's a black hole except one that sucks money. If you were Marvel Studios what would you do? On the flip side, if you were Fox what would you do?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

That doesn't mean Fox is OK with selling off the rights to the property so another financial competitor has them and potentially makes money off of them.

All of you are so angry but you are angry because you want the rights to go back to Marvel/Disney. You believe Marvel can still make everything all right again and make the Fantastic Four movie you want. That right there is proof that people believe these movies can be profitable again. It's simply that Marvel fans believe it can't happen with 20th Century Fox.

Fox and its corporate partners aren't going to bow down to that belief.

Are you saying that FOX is so ****ing stupid that they can make an FF movie profitable like Marvel could? Because I don't see the logic there.

Any new movie FOX puts out with the FF will not be given a chance. Because they are the studio that made it a toxic brand in the first place. And its not like Marvel is going to help them out by allowing merchandise or supporting it with the comics. There is nothing for them to build off of.

They'd be making movies with it just to keep it away from Marvel, and losing money on it in the process. Yeah... I don't buy it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Any new movie FOX puts out with the FF will not be given a chance.

This is the simple reality Fox needs to face. No matter who the director is, no matter who writes the script, no matter what the budget is, fans will hate it from the start.

I gave Fox not one, not two, but three chances. There are posts on these forums from me in late 2013 expressing confidence and hope in the Trank project.

Once the details came out, it was clear their heads were completely up their asses, but until that point, I was arguing that there was no reason Fox couldn't make a decent film if they dedicated the appropriate resources.

After three films that ALL rank in the bottom ten of worst comic-book films ever made, they don't deserve and won't get any breaks from me or any other fans who have watched this slow-motion train-wreck over the past 14 years.

 

[TheVileOne]

Are you saying that FOX is so ****ing stupid that they can make an FF movie profitable like Marvel could? Because I don't see the logic there.

No. I'm saying the people who run Fox have to believe that.

Any new movie FOX puts out with the FF will not be given a chance. Because they are the studio that made it a toxic brand in the first place. And its not like Marvel is going to help them out by allowing merchandise or supporting it with the comics. There is nothing for them to build off of.

They'd be making movies with it just to keep it away from Marvel, and losing money on it in the process. Yeah... I don't buy it.

You say that, but from Fox's standpoint, it's doable. You don't have to buy it for it to be the truth. And yes movie studios are so petty as well that they would simply horde over a property's rights to keep the out of the hands of a competitor.

 

[wobbly]

Well, let's hope the TV deal is something Marvel can pull the plug out of at thier discretion.

If Fox wants to chase fools gold with fantastikids make them kiss goodbye to all that TV cash.

Great business tactics there. Get a sweet deal for TV stuff and risk that for a reboot no-one wants them to make.

 

[Dark Raven]

This is the simple reality Fox needs to face. No matter who the director is, no matter who writes the script, no matter what the budget is, fans will hate it from the start.

I gave Fox not one, not two, but three chances. There are posts on these forums from me in late 2013 expressing confidence and hope in the Trank project.

Once the details came out, it was clear their heads were completely up their asses, but until that point, I was arguing that there was no reason Fox couldn't make a decent film if they dedicated the appropriate resources.

After three films that ALL rank in the bottom ten of worst comic-book films ever made, they don't deserve and won't get any breaks from me or any other fans who have watched this slow-motion train-wreck over the past 14 years.

Would you change your mind for a Scott Buck TV version of the Fantastic Four? I bet that would get you to change your tune immediately.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Except, Sony still isn't letting go of Spider-Man. This deal enabled Sony to maintain control of all the Spider-Man film rights even though they are letting MCU get involved.

It doesn't matter if Fox has zero films you will support. People are still going to see their films. Logan just did very well this year. Deadpool did very well last year.

It doesn't matter if Fantastic Four flopped. That doesn't mean Fox is done with Fantastic Four and will roll over to let another big company get ahold of rights they currently control so they can make money off of them in the future. That's not how big corporations work in this day and age.

Once again, no matter what Spider-Man Homecoming proves, Sony still didn't return the film rights to Marvel. They still on paper control everything.

................This sounds like conservatives defending Trump when he Tweet's something stupid. I think I'm done talking to you. YOU'RE NOT FOX ANYWAY! So convincing you why "water is wet" isn't necessary.

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Hopefully no one else who see's the brighter picture is discouraged by his one sighted retorts.

Progress is being made. Disney's chess pieces are in play while more and more moviegoers are learning the distinctions between MCU and the "FAKE" Cinematic Universes that are popping up everywhere. This is why the last X-men film could barely match Ant-Man's numbers and lost to Dr. Strange.

Sony is in shambles. The $200M+ they might profit from Homecoming (after business expenses if they're lucky) minus all the flops Sony's made all year save for Baby Driver does NOTHING to resolve their financial woes. So what will a Non-MCU Venom spinoff grant them next year????

Fox has had 2 successful Rated R Marvel films and 2 Rotten PG13 Marvel films that have either underperformed or just flat out flopped. So saying that Marvel Studios fans not supporting Fox and Sony doesn't matter sounds just as pathetic as their last PG Marvel movies were.

 

[NotNickFury]

................This sounds like conservatives defending Trump when he Tweet's something stupid. I think I'm done talking to you. YOU'RE NOT FOX ANYWAY! So convincing you why "water is wet" isn't necessary.

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Hopefully no one else who see's the brighter picture is discouraged by his one sighted retorts.

That's a stretch not even Reed Richards could make.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Would you change your mind for a Scott Buck TV version of the Fantastic Four? I bet that would get you to change your tune immediately.

Seriously, if I had a choice between Scott Buck and Simon Kinberg, I'd take Scott Buck.

 

[Dark Raven]

Seriously, if I had a choice between Scott Buck and Simon Kinberg, I'd take Scott Buck.

You'd get:

1) The promise of a costume by the end of the season
2) No costumes when you actually get to the end of the season
3) Reed who can't stretch but keeps a beard
4) Johnny who just lights a matchstick or uses a magnifying glass and some straw
5) No-one cast for Sue - her absence will be the evidence of her being invisible
6) Ben Grimm as a Rocky Road ice cream seller
7) Doom as a weasley PhD student still trying to qualify as a doctor after his thesis has been rejected for the 5th time
8) Alicia as the world's worst sculptress because she can't find that piece of clay she left somewhere in her studio to even get started

I think he'd give Trank a run for his money.

 

[Xeno]

Joan Lee, the wife of Stan Lee, died yesterday. Joan was Stan's muse. She encouraged him to create the comic book he had always wanted to, at a moment when he had decided to quit working for Marvel due to his frustration with limitations the publisher placed on him. If not for Joan's support and love, there would be no Fantastic Four or any of the Marvel Comics heroes we love. Rest in peace, Joan.

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[Saitou Hajime]

Do you think us Fantastic Four fans will ever feel as happy as the Spidey fans do right now?

 

[Nardz937]

Homecoming made me want F4 in Marvel Studios hands and in the MCU more than ever.

They need saving. Desperate, desperate saving.

 

[InCali]

Do you think us Fantastic Four fans will ever feel as happy as the Spidey fans do right now?

Yes, but I may have to give up bacon, steak, bagels, cream cheese, mexican food and booze.....

Some of us will.

 

[TheVileOne]

................This sounds like conservatives defending Trump when he Tweet's something stupid. I think I'm done talking to you. YOU'RE NOT FOX ANYWAY! So convincing you why "water is wet" isn't necessary.

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Hopefully no one else who see's the brighter picture is discouraged by his one sighted retorts.

Progress is being made. Disney's chess pieces are in play while more and more moviegoers are learning the distinctions between MCU and the "FAKE" Cinematic Universes that are popping up everywhere. This is why the last X-men film could barely match Ant-Man's numbers and lost to Dr. Strange.

Sony is in shambles. The $200M+ they might profit from Homecoming (after business expenses if they're lucky) minus all the flops Sony's made all year save for Baby Driver does NOTHING to resolve their financial woes. So what will a Non-MCU Venom spinoff grant them next year????

Fox has had 2 successful Rated R Marvel films and 2 Rotten PG13 Marvel films that have either underperformed or just flat out flopped. So saying that Marvel Studios fans not supporting Fox and Sony doesn't matter sounds just as pathetic as their last PG Marvel movies were.

None of that so-called progress means the rights to Fantastic Four magically return to Marvel in six months or so.

Whether you like it or not, Logan and Deadpool were huge hits for Fox, and they were both under the X-Men umbrella.

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Not in six months, but the Fantastic Four returning to Marvel seems inevitable. Again, Fant4stic was a massive bomb and FOX has a MASSIVE uphill battle to climb to make another Fantastic Four movie doable. The X-Men are doing fine with FOX for the most part, but I doubt anybody wants to watch a Fox-helmed Fantastic Four movie anymore. Heck, not many watched Fant4stic in 2015, considering it was a box office bomb.

 

[TheVileOne]

Everything is going to return to Marvel eventually. But it's going to take years in some cases.

But look, Batman and Robin was a bomb, but Warner Bros. was still able to make Batman a viable movie franchise again. It's not outside the realm of possibility. That's why Fox will say they will try.

All of its going back at some point. It's just going to take time.

 

[Spiderine]

Everything is going to return to Marvel eventually. But it's going to take years in some cases.

But look, Batman and Robin was a bomb, but Warner Bros. was still able to make Batman a viable movie franchise again. It's not outside the realm of possibility. That's why Fox will say they will try.

All of its going back at some point. It's just going to take time.

WB would have never given up on Batman. It was once a massive success. And it still took an 8 year period for people to get the taste out their mouth from 97 Batman and Robin. They didn't have to worry about reversion timetables.

Time is not on Fox side. They have to make a decision quickly on FF. A franchise that doesn't have the luxury of goodwill that Batman and Spidey had. Nothing but misfires and already rebooted. And a fanbase waiting to throw stones if they announce another one.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Do you think us Fantastic Four fans will ever feel as happy as the Spidey fans do right now?

Every time I see a new Marvel film, my enjoyment. Is always tempered some by the thought " Why can't this be FF?"

And a year ago, I was confident our day was coming, and my rational side still believes it's only a matter of time.

But my psyche has a less-rational component that is afraid Fox really will just grind FF under their boot.

I think it's unlikely they're serious, but if Fox does make this Franklin/Valeria film, that could kill the FF completely.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I actually remember a time when we used to say: "At least we still have the comic books.", but that's not even true anymore. And if we get another bad film, there may be nothing keeping them alive.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Whether you like it or not, Logan and Deadpool were huge hits for Fox, and they were both under the X-Men umbrella.

And 4stic and Fox-Pocalypse were both failures. Whether you ignore it or not. Moving on now......

I think it's unlikely they're serious, but if Fox does make this Franklin/Valeria film, that could kill the FF completely.

And that's how I see it. Fox would rather kill the F4 franchise before giving it back to a studio that could do it justice. Kevin Feige hinted at studios acting this way like 5 years ago when asked about getting the rights back of all the missing franchises.

Thing is that no one suspected Marvel Studios track record to be as good as it is currently or the growing awareness of which studio is in control of what. So Fox still being d!cks about the F4 franchise is only hurting them.

It's the difference between me supporting a Spider-man film that's still technically Sony's and me boycotting Fox's "Apes pt3" next week despite enjoying the last 2. Hell if Fox can be this way about the F4 rights then I won't feel much guilt in "Firesticking" the few film they make that are good.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Do you think us Fantastic Four fans will ever feel as happy as the Spidey fans do right now?

Considering how great Marvel Studios handled that film I'd think it would make moviegoers more cognizant of the Marvel Studios logo and it's MCU ties than just going out to see anything with the Marvel Logo. Even people at the office you'd think would have no idea about the studio differences have spoke on it.

People are quick to bring up Fox's Rated R Marvel phase but I honestly don't think that DP2 will do has well as the first one did critically or financially. I liked the first one but not enough to give idiots like Kinberg more power at Fox. Add the growing number of people who feel the same way, the fact that younger kids wont be seeing this and all the films surrounding DP2 next Summer (Han Solo, Bumblebee, Incredibles, Jurassic World 2) and this will be lucking to do $500M. Plus nobody really cares about New Mutants or Dark Phoenix.

Marvel Studios could make a F4 film work the same way they did Spider-man but I seriously doubt that they'd help Fox the way they're helping Sony because the merch of F4 doesn't even bring in $10M annually. While Spider-man brings in over a Billion and Marvel gets to keep almost all of it.

 

[Zarex]

WB would have never given up on Batman. It was once a massive success. And it still took an 8 year period for people to get the taste out their mouth from 97 Batman and Robin. They didn't have to worry about reversion timetables.

Time is not on Fox side. They have to make a decision quickly on FF. A franchise that doesn't have the luxury of goodwill that Batman and Spidey had. Nothing but misfires and already rebooted. And a fanbase waiting to throw stones if they announce another one.

Exactly. You can't compare the FF to other franchises that studios have rebooted after unsuccessful entries because there has never been a successful FF film. The 2005 edition may have made a modest profit due to the low budget and the fact that Marvel allowed tie in merchandise. But it was a BO disappointment and the series has been in free fall ever since.

Rebooting a twice failed franchise with no BO successes has never happened in the history of moving pictures. Will FOX make history by doing something no studio has ever been sufficiently foolish to do? It seems unlikely, but so did FFINO.

 

[souvlaki]

Well, let's hope the TV deal is something Marvel can pull the plug out of at thier discretion.

If Fox wants to chase fools gold with fantastikids make them kiss goodbye to all that TV cash.

Great business tactics there. Get a sweet deal for TV stuff and risk that for a reboot no-one wants them to make.

Um... Legion is the best superhero show on tv right now. I get wanting FF rights to revert back to Marvel but depriving fans of the one thing Fox is not only doing right but imo better than Marvel or DC for an unrelated property would be petty.

 

[Why]

Um... Legion is the best superhero show on tv right now. I get wanting FF rights to revert back to Marvel but depriving fans of the one thing Fox is not only doing right but imo better than Marvel or DC for an unrelated property would be petty.

So FOX can be petty & not MARVEL ? That's not how it works