The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - Part 12

[guitarsingerguy]

Don't shoot the messenger.

Oh I will! With an adamantium bullet no less!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

YES!!!! It was so obvious that whoever played Doom simply couldn't act through the mask, so he made up for it by overacting with his hands! One of the funniest things I've seen on film.

It reminded me of a little kid wearing his father's over-sized gloves and wiggling his fingers for fun.

I actually think the Thing suit looked better in some ways than the one in 2005, and I wish they would have combined some of the better elements of the two suits.

 

[random_havoc]

I like the 2005 version better, but Thing is pretty clearly a character that needs to be done with CG

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I like the 2005 version better, but Thing is pretty clearly a character that needs to be done with CG

Yeah, and then the one time they did that, they used an absolutely awful design.

 

[Darkraid]

Yeah, and then the one time they did that, they used an absolutely awful design.

THE CGI Thing looks like fried chicken and also no penis.

Poor Thing

 

[guitarsingerguy]

It reminded me of a little kid wearing his father's over-sized gloves and wiggling his fingers for fun.

I actually think the Thing suit looked better in some ways than the one in 2005, and I wish they would have combined some of the better elements of the two suits.

They certainly could have gone with a more pronounced brow, but I actually didn't hate the Corman suit. For how bad everything else was, the Thing suit is actually kinda impressive. I can only imagine they blew like half their budget on it.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

THE CGI Thing looks like fried chicken and also no penis.

Poor Thing

I wondered why I always got hungry when he was on screen. Us Southerners do love our fried chicken.

 

[Xeno]

I wondered why I always got hungry when he was on screen. Us Southerners do love our fried chicken.

He looked like a walking pile of orange poop to me. More nauseating than appetizing.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

He looked like a walking pile of orange poop to me. More nauseating than appetizing.

Everything else about the movie was ****. Why would the Thing be any different?

 

[Crimz]

Matthew Vaughn wants to reboot the Fantastic Four...

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/09/20/fantastic-four-reboot-matthew-vaughn/

I'd accept that only if the rights revert back to Marvel.

Hopefully the success of Spider-man has got FOX thinking smartly for a change.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Don't care if Brad Bird himself wants to direct a F4 film

If it's not a marvel studios movie, it shouldn't happen. Fox has done great as of late, but they need to acknowledge that they have permanently failed with the F4.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Matthew Vaughn wants to reboot the Fantastic Four...

http://comicbook.com/marvel/2017/09/20/fantastic-four-reboot-matthew-vaughn/

I'd accept that only if the rights revert back to Marvel.

Hopefully the success of Spider-man has got FOX thinking smartly for a change.

Don't care if Brad Bird himself wants to direct a F4 film

If it's not a marvel studios movie, it shouldn't happen. Fox has done great as of late, but they need to acknowledge that they have permanently failed with the F4.

I respect Vaughn as a director, but let's not forget he was a producer on Fant4stic and he said this:

“I’ve seen the movie, it’s good,” Vaughn told the website. “I thought Chronicle was a fantastic movie and [Josh] Trank has gone off and done his version of Fantastic Four. If you like Chronicle, then you’ll like this.”

Vaughn then said that he, and everyone else involved with The Fantastic Four, is completely supportive of Trank’s interpretation of Marvel’s First Family. The film has received plenty of skepticism in the last few months over its rumored continuity changes and departures from traditional comic book movie storytelling.

“We’re all backing Josh Trank’s vision,” Vaughn said. “And hopefully the world will like Josh Trank’s vision”.

http://comicbook.com/2015/01/14/x-men-first-class-matthew-vaughn-comments-on-fantastic-four/

He had his chance and blew it.

As producer, he should have had some say. He should have been able to look at this:

And this design:

and said: "No, no, NO!! That's not even close."

With his name on the credits, he has limited ability to point his finger at others.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

sometimes in hollywood you are paid to say nice things about other projects based off of the merit of your own track record

he was just being a good company soldier there, I don't blame him. I'd probably do the same if they were financing my project.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

sometimes in hollywood you are paid to say nice things about other projects based off of the merit of your own track record

he was just being a good company soldier there, I don't blame him. I'd probably do the same if they were financing my project.

It's not just about saying nice things. It's about being part of the team that allowed it to happen. If we assume he really hated it and was just saying what he was supposed to say, why didn't he do something to prevent that inexcusable mess?

He must have thought what was happening was at least okay, and I don't want anyone who saw what was happening and wasn't horrified to touch the FF.

It wasn't just a bad film. It was a film that was so wrong in so many ways that it almost seemed to be an intentional insult to fans.

I don't want anyone who actively or passively allowed that to happen to have another chance to do it again.

There are enough talented directors out there that there's no need to give it to someone who has already failed.

 

[NealKenneth]

Matthew Vaugn is great and I would love to see him make a FF film at Disney. He should know the pinch Fox is in. If I were him I would absolutely insist on Fox pursuing a deal with Disney or just wait for the rights to revert.

Lumpkin, that article you linked to was from January of 2015, which is the same month Fox ordered the reshoots. On top of that, he said it was good, not great, and he had a few qualifiers like "if" and "hopefully" in there as well. My guess is he saw Trank's earlier cut of the film, which was probably a fair bit better than what we got, and even then he was careful with his wording when endorsing it.

It just needs to be Disney. Make a deal and everything is forgiven.

 

[NealKenneth]

I think this suit looked great and, heck, I actually wouldn't mind if they use it for a new film. Better than a big CGI cartoon like Groot.

 

[Random490]

You also have to remember that if you bad mouth a project before the audience has a chance with it, you basically burn any bridges you may have, Fox would not work with him ever again and most other studios probably wouldn't either if they think you'll cost them money.

Also films are a collaborative medium, lots of voices are heard and producer don't always get final word. In fact the original pitch for the film sounded pretty awesome, I don't know if it was good but it certainly was fantastic four. Even early drafts when Trank came aboard sounded cool. But executives butchered the budget.

Also remember, you can still do everything right but at the end of the day you can't tell if the movie works until it's finish.

I think this suit looked great and, heck, I actually wouldn't mind if they use it for a new film. Better than a big CGI cartoon like Groot.

Same here, you can nitpick design but the makeup itself was great. Nowadays I would say use CGI but back then that wasn't really an option.

 

[Crimz]

I think this suit looked great and, heck, I actually wouldn't mind if they use it for a new film. Better than a big CGI cartoon like Groot.

I think the perfect look would need a mixture of both CGI and a suit. The CGI would be to make the suit look more rock-like and less like a rubber suit, make him look big and bulkier and it would also help with expressions as Ben needs to be very expressive (which made the mo-cap in Fant4stic even more ridiculous as he was deadpan in that film).

Ben's face needs to be a mix of the 05 and 94 film, with rock texture of 4stic. Each film only got one aspect right (except 05 film which got two):

Corman: Top half of his face is right
Story: Got the right colour and bottom half of face right (including the nose)
Trank: Got the right texture of a rock-like monster

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Also remember, you can still do everything right but at the end of the day you can't tell if the movie works until it's finish.

That may be true of a film like Amazing Spider-Man 2, but anyone who knows anything about the Fantastic Four who saw the production art, costume sketches maquettes etc. that lead to this:

Would have to know that was completely unacceptable. Not slightly off, but unacceptable.

Again, it's not like Fant4stic was close. It was COMPLETELY wrong in nearly every way.

The story was terrible and nonsensical. All the characters were unrecognizable from their comic-book counterparts, the dialogue was painfully bad, the production design was awful and didn't resemble the comic books etc. etc. etc.

If I were associated with that production in any way, I would have done everything in my power to either fix or scuttle it. And if I had no ability to do either of those two things, I would demand to have my name removed from it.

Matthew Vaughn isn't some wide-eyed kid just trying to make his way in Hollywood. He's the biggest, most respected name associated with that miserable failure.

He's right to be contrite, but the time for him to make it right was four years ago, and I have no interest in risking the FF in his hands again just so he can prove something.

 

[Xeno]

I think this suit looked great and, heck, I actually wouldn't mind if they use it for a new film. Better than a big CGI cartoon like Groot.

Yeah, they should have gone for a practical Groot in GOTG.

And Rocket.

Not to mention the Hulk.

 

[Darepool]

#WeAreGroot

 

[2kt09]

Yeah, they should have gone for a practical Groot in GOTG.

And Rocket.

Not to mention the Hulk.

Treeman Syndrome

Midget in a Fursuit

Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson painted green

 

[NealKenneth]

omg that Groot is terrifying

 

[Dasher10]

We know that the FF aren't reverting thanks to the Doctor Doom and Future Foundation films. Matthew Vaughn directing is actually a good idea. Much like Noah Hawley, I approve of this choice. The rights to the Fantastic Four aren't reverting. Fox won't cancel all their film franchises just to introduce their characters in the MCU. The best thing for both companies is for Marvel to start producing Fantastic Four and X-Men merch again and Fox to agree to a two-part event that would merge universes/continuities.

Right now I hope that Fox greenlight a Silver Surfer film and X-Factor TV show.

Look at what properties Marvel have left to develop. Phase 4 rumors include Black Widow, Ravagers and Power Pack as new film franchises (I also feel like Nova and Namor are possible and there can be a one-and-done Black Knight film). Blade, Ghost Rider, Shang-Chi, Moon Knight, Elektra, Werewolf by Night, She-Hulk Avengers Academy and Man-Thing all fit the TV side of the Marvel Cinematic Universe better. Wonder Man only really has Grim Reaper as a major villain and he'd work better as a supporting character for the Avengers. Same goes for Sentry who only has Void. Silverclaw, Tigra, Synapse, Spectrum, Sersi, Starfox and Blue Marvel are all better off as supporting characters for the Avengers. White Tiger is better off as a supporting character for the Defenders. Marvel are running out of characters to make new franchises out of. They'll need to cut a deal with Fox at some point.

 

[NealKenneth]

Neither the Doctor Doom or Future Foundation projects have been confirmed...I don't know where you've heard rumors of a Power Pack or Black Widow film for Phase 4 and maybe Gunn teased a Ravagers film as a joke? Your post is very, very speculative but I agree that the MCU is running out of characters that can carry their own film.