The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[Willie Lumpkin]

In hindsight, I think Fox putting Simon Kinberg in charge of X-Men was Fox waving the white flag in the superhero films arms-race.

Like the Soviet Union during the cold war Fox hasn't been able to keep up, and they're as likely to take a big loss on any big superhero films as they are to make a big profit, so I think they're pulling back and taking a much less risky, less potentially profitable approach.

Maybe they'll sell the entire operation to Disney, or maybe they'll sell a chunk to Disney and the rest to someone else, but one way or another, I think Fox wants to get out of the superhero film rat-race.

 

[Iceman]

I would think that if they didn’t have so many current plans and films in development. It looked for a while as if they were really committing to it. But the fact that any talks took place at all shows they aren’t fully behind it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I would think that if they didn’t have so many current plans and films in development. It looked for a while as if they were really committing to it. But the fact that any talks took place at all shows they aren’t fully behind it.

They've got a lot of projects, but they all seem to be low-budget, low-risk efforts. I think instead of spending $200 million to do a big X-Men event film, they'll do three or four $50 - $75 million films.

... which may not be a bad strategy, but it also shows a reluctance to compete directly with the other big superhero films.

 

[Iceman]

They've got a lot of projects, but they all seem to be low-budget, low-risk efforts. I think instead of spending $200 million to do a big X-Men event film, they'll do three or four $50 - $75 million films.

... which may not be a bad strategy, but it also shows a reluctance to compete directly with the other big superhero films.

True. And while films like Deadpool and Logan are amazing, my ultimate is always going to be the main teams. If they got the main team film totally right then all this stuff would be the biggest bonus. But it's like having the world's best dessert but forgetting about the main course.

 

[ADollarADay]

True. And while films like Deadpool and Logan are amazing, my ultimate is always going to be the main teams. If they got the main team film totally right then all this stuff would be the biggest bonus. But it's like having the world's best dessert but forgetting about the main course.

I have long said that X-Men ensemble movies have Avengers like potential at the BO. Let us not forget that X-Men, along with Spidey, were the crown jewels of Marvel Comics before CBM were a thing. There's a reason why they are the franchises that set off the CBM craze in the early 2000s.

 

[Docker2.0]

I have long said that X-Men ensemble movies have Avengers like potential at the BO. Let us not forget that X-Men, along with Spidey, were the crown jewels of Marvel Comics before CBM were a thing. There's a reason why they are the franchises that set off the CBM craze in the early 2000s.

That speaks volumes on the job Marvel has done to make the Avengers household names and make X-men seem ancient at this point. I can only imagine the job Disney would do with the F4.

 

[Iceman]

I have long said that X-Men ensemble movies have Avengers like potential at the BO. Let us not forget that X-Men, along with Spidey, were the crown jewels of Marvel Comics before CBM were a thing. There's a reason why they are the franchises that set off the CBM craze in the early 2000s.

Totally agreed mate. I've been saying exactly that for decades too.

 

[Double B]

It's so true. I mean, just look at the success of the 90s cartoon. Fantastic characters, wonderfully created, explosive action, interesting stories with real social pathos underneath - the franchise should be massive. Massive massive. The fact that it can't seem to get there is mindboggling.

 

[Raiden]

That speaks volumes on the job Marvel has done to make the Avengers household names and make X-men seem ancient at this point. I can only imagine the job Disney would do with the F4.

Yeah, the Avengers were B-list superheroes at Marvel Comics, and Spider-Man and X-Men were the real superstars. I started collecting Uncanny X-Men and X-Factor comics in the beginning which was what led me to become a Marvel fan since junior high, and now thanks to MCU the Avengers are the household names that can sell everything from toys to everyday products to the public. It all thanks to Kevin Feige and his leadership that helped elevated them to this status. I believe he can work the same magic with X-Men and FF once Disney purchased Fox's film and TV division.

 

[Darepool]

I wouldn't call the Avengers B-list myself, they were a consistent top 5 title at Marvel for years. It's just that the X-Men were sooooo huge for a 10 + year period that everything paled in comparison, at Marvel or DC really. Certainly in terms of the sheer volume of titles. They weren't just the backbone of Marvel, but the entire industry.

Also, in that most cynical decade of the 90's, the characters were truly embraced as the edgy anti-superheros to the more conventional/old fashioned heroes of the past. That was seen as such a good thing it allowed the mutants to cross over into the main stream and make fans of people who'd never dare pick up a silly comic book. If a character didn't have 'man' or 'woman' in their name, all the better. They were hip, not square.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Yeah, the Avengers were B-list superheroes at Marvel Comics, and Spider-Man and X-Men were the real superstars. I started collecting Uncanny X-Men and X-Factor comics in the beginning which was what led me to become a Marvel fan since junior high, and now thanks to MCU the Avengers are the household names that can sell everything from toys to everyday products to the public. It all thanks to Kevin Feige and his leadership that helped elevated them to this status. I believe he can work the same magic with X-Men and FF once Disney purchased Fox's film and TV division.

Don't say those stuff in another specific sub-forum, because appereantly Kevin Feige's track record proves that he will make X-Men a comedy ...

But yeah, pretty much X-Men/F4 becoming A-list again is given if/when Disney buys Fox. And for X-Men, maybe not the first, but by the second movie it will gross $1B for sure.
F4 will be a little tough. But I'm sure a F4 movie made by Feige is given to make at least $500M.

 

[Tymminator]

Don't say those stuff in another specific sub-forum, because appereantly Kevin Feige's track record proves that he will make X-Men a comedy ...

But yeah, pretty much X-Men/F4 becoming A-list again is given if/when Disney buys Fox. And for X-Men, maybe not the first, but by the second movie it will gross $1B for sure.
F4 will be a little tough. But I'm sure a F4 movie made by Feige is given to make at least $500M.

I just peaked in a specific sub-forum and I know what you mean. People are being ridiculous to the point where for me, they are the comedy. I tell myself these are fans like me and feel very vested and I’m trying to keep that in focus, but then the way they go on...LoL. It’s just better for me to stay away.

 

[GoblinScrier]

Whatever it takes to make it happen, I just want to see something like this happen one day that will make Thanos pale in comparison

 

[The Infernal]

I'd just to love to see Marvel show Doom that's more true to the comics. Would be great to see him with his armour, doombots and magics against people like Iron-man and Dr. Strange. Maybe they could do a Dr. Strange and Iron-man team-up movie with Doom as the villain?

 

[jaymes_e06]

They wouldn't do full on "magic" most likely.

 

[Nardz937]

I don't know if I'd call Iron Man, Captain America and Thor B-level. But Spider-Man, The Hulk and even the X-Men definitely felt like they were on another level of popularity over those characters before 2008.

Credit to Feige and everyone at Marvel Studios who rocketed those characters to household names in recent years.

 

[WeaponXCII]

In hindsight, I think Fox putting Simon Kinberg in charge of X-Men was Fox waving the white flag in the superhero films arms-race.

Like the Soviet Union during the cold war Fox hasn't been able to keep up, and they're as likely to take a big loss on any big superhero films as they are to make a big profit, so I think they're pulling back and taking a much less risky, less potentially profitable approach.

Maybe they'll sell the entire operation to Disney, or maybe they'll sell a chunk to Disney and the rest to someone else, but one way or another, I think Fox wants to get out of the superhero film rat-race.

Definitely. Tagging onto this, remember that rumor a little bit back that the Skrulls will be the villains in X-Men: Dark Phoenix? And which movie are the Skrulls also going to be the main villain in? That's right: Captain Marvel....

 

[Big Bang]

Credit to Feige and everyone at Marvel Studios who rocketed those characters to household names in recent years.

I'm still floored by what they've done with the Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I'm happy though that these characters got to shine I've slays loved the more obscure marvel characters, really glad I got to witness characters like Doctor Strange have a chance.

 

[Web-Head]

I'd like to see solo/team up films amongst the X-Men if it happens

 

[jaymes_e06]

Thing is they don't release enough movies as it is now to do the X-Men and even FF justice.

Though I am not a fan of X-Men over at Marvel Disney it doesn't mean that I am completely against it.

 

[Tony Stark]

I'd like to see solo/team up films amongst the X-Men if it happens

I guarantee they will do Avengers vs. X-Men if this happens. That was one of their best selling series in recent years.

 

[Darepool]

I'm happy though that these characters got to shine I've slays loved the more obscure marvel characters, really glad I got to witness characters like Doctor Strange have a chance.

Yup. If this deal goes through it may have been the best case scenario in terms of making the universe whole. The X-Men returning 10 years or so into the MCU means they'll never dominate at the expense of others.

The FF means the soul of Marvel has returned.

 

[Kanon]

A reddit user is claiming to have inside information on MvC Infinity upcoming characters and say they are working on X-Men members and Dr Doom, so maybe Marvel is ready to lift the ban on those characters soon...

It's the same guy that predicted TMNT and Enchantress on Injustice...

Here's where things get really interesting. All the characters that I've heard that are in development (to various extents and from multiple sources, but not all saying the same things I might add, which is something strange in and of itself) include: Star-Lord, Ms. Marvel, Green Goblin, Wolverine, Cyclops, Psylocke, Magneto, Storm, Deadpool, Doctor Doom, Daredevil, Asura, Lady, Gill, Rashid, Captain Commando, Nina, Deis, Regina, Gene, Vergil, Akuma, and Apollo Justice.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/7c9n8i/leakileaks/

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

A reddit user is claiming to have inside information on MvC Infinity upcoming characters and say they are working on X-Men members and Dr Doom, so maybe Marvel is ready to lift the ban on those characters soon...

It's the same guy that predicted TMNT and Enchantress on Injustice...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Kappa/comments/7c9n8i/leakileaks/

I'm not up on the video games, but I thought there was some controversy recently because there were Fox characters who were specifically being omitted but were key to previous versions of the game.

Without understanding these things better, I'm not sure how dramatic this would be (if true).

It's quite possible that the recent studio buy-out talks were precipitated by a smaller deal (and this is pure hope and speculation, so don't treat it as any more than that).

Disney might have approached Fox with the idea of just buying their Marvel characters to add content to their streaming services and the benefits of that may have made both sides realize: "If the small deal is a win/win, a bigger deal would be an even a bigger win/win."

And if there's any truth to that hope and speculation, the smaller deal might have already occurred.

While we may not have any real reason to believe a smaller deal has already occurred, it certainly wouldn't be a crazy thought in this climate. A few weeks ago, we would have thought the idea of Fox selling back the X-Men would seem crazy, but they're clearly considering that and more with the rumored talks.