The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - Part 13

[InCali]

Actually, I don't think we need an origin movie. Simple flashback would suffice.

Yeah. If they did something along the lines of the beginning of GotG, that would probably be the most I could hope for. A flashback to college where we get Doom Boom would be important to me. It's also how Reed and Ben meet.

Mainly, I'd like to see some context for who the FF are and Doom's origin.

 

[InCali]

exsisting films will be ilrelvent shortly.x-men will be reimaged just like spider-man.and there sure as hell won't ever again be 3 x related films in one year as final films of x-men cinematic universe-new mutants,deadpool 2,dark phoenix
in 2018 or even 2 as there was in 2016-deadpool and x-men apocaypse

mcu fantics get what they want end to x-men cinematic universe.

No offense, but I don't think you got your crystal ball at The Common Sense Store (Note the pronoun; which means I'm telling the truth).

 

[jaymes_e06]

Again, why would Disney not use their largest catalog and acquisition of characters? On Spider-Man, yeah they're limited as to how many films they can produce in a certain amount of time, but the X-Men have a vast universe Disney can milk for loads and loads of $$$ and get them out quickly. Why would they not use that to their advantage? I think we forget, Disney is also in the business of making money, and much like the Avengers or Star Wars, they can do solo between X-Men films. It's not hard, its really easy. Plus, Disney has that model already going kind of. Why would they not adopt that for a property that is part of a near or more than $25 billion acquisition?

Agree to dissagree then. Look of course they'll service them just not nearly to the degree You say. You really believe with 7 to 8 active franchises that are all well received (billion dollar empires some) they'll just say "no thanks we're going a different way" and start underdeveloping them to service one franchise? I highly doubt it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

No offense, but I don't think you got your crystal ball at The Common Sense Store (Note the pronoun; which means I'm telling the truth).

you get what you want and still want to attack me.classy.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Again, why would Disney not use their largest catalog and acquisition of characters? On Spider-Man, yeah they're limited as to how many films they can produce in a certain amount of time, but the X-Men have a vast universe Disney can milk for loads and loads of $$$ and get them out quickly. Why would they not use that to their advantage? I think we forget, Disney is also in the business of making money, and much like the Avengers or Star Wars, they can do solo between X-Men films. It's not hard, its really easy. Plus, Disney has that model already going kind of. Why would they not adopt that for a property that is part of a near or more than $25 billion acquisition?

If Marvel had the rights from the start, we probably never would have seen Guardians of the Galaxy or Black Panther films. X-Men are bigger than GOTG and Wolverine (or Beast or Cyclops or Storm or Gambit etc.) is bigger than Black Panther. I think we would have seen a lot of X-Men mixed in with the Marvel films we actually got if Marvel had the rights (and they weren't working around the weekends Fox had staked out for their X-Films).

And I think it's reasonable to assume they will mix them in liberally with future plans.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agree to dissagree then. You really believe with 7 to 8 active franchises that are all well received (billion dollar empires some) they'll just say "no thanks we're going a different way" and start underdeveloping them to service one franchise? I highly doubt it.

We're already seeing Iron Man, Cap, and Thor solos seem done for the time being. IM3 made well over a billion alone, yet where is IM4? RDJ won't do it, and likely same for Hemms and Evans. Plus, if they move to 4 films a year, 3 of those 4 can build the MCU like they are currently (which has been working for them) and that gives them room to exploit X-Men annually. Which do you think Disney banks more heavily on: X-Men or Captain Marvel? X-Men or Moon Knight? Etc. The X-Men are more valuable than most of what they already own based on brand name alone. You think Disney will simply ignore that? I don't. They will build another billion dollar franchise, on top of the 7 or 8 they already have that are flourishing under the current model.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Agree to dissagree then. Look of course they'll service them just not nearly to the degree You say. You really believe with 7 to 8 active franchises that are all well received (billion dollar empires some) they'll just say "no thanks we're going a different way" and start underdeveloping them to service one franchise? I highly doubt it.

they won't.we already know x-men and deadpool will be rebooted.question for those x-men fans who unlike me care to see mcu versions is when and they are at mercy of preexsisting plans.using spider-man as model once dark phoenix
ends x-men cinematic universe at end of 2018 maybe something with x related characters happens in 2020 however it could be longer since marvel doesn't love x-men like spider-man.

 

[InCali]

you get what you want and still want to attack me.classy.

I liked Kansas City. They had some really good food there. Hotter than Hades in August though.

I'm not attacking you. What I'm trying to do is point out that you are making assumptions based on, well, facts not in evidence. It's "possible" you're right, but there's nothing to indicate that at this point in time.

You call people "mcu fanatics" and say they want an end to the X universe and then accuse others of attacking you.....Does that strike you as a little bit....uh.....odd???

 

[InCali]

they won't.we already know x-men and deadpool will be rebooted.question for those x-men fans who unlike me care to see mcu versions is when and they are at mercy of preexsisting plans.using spider-man as model once dark phoenix
ends x-men cinematic universe at end of 2018 maybe something with x related characters happens in 2020 however it could be longer since marvel doesn't love x-men like spider-man.

Dude, we don't even "KNOW" that this buyout is going to happen (though it's certainly looking likely) and I don't think anyone "KNOWS" (at least no one on these boards) for sure what Feige is thinking.

Ever consider taking that crystal ball back? You don't know any more than anyone else. It's fine to have an opinion, but you're coming across like "these are the facts" when they simply aren't.

Plus, if you are going to label people you don't know as "fanatics", I suggest a skin thickener. It can be purchased at The Common Sense Store. I think there's one by the Arch.

 

[ADollarADay]

Well these threads exploded in the last couple of days. I'm not going to read the whole thing, but by the end of the year is something I had hoped for. I would guess Disney would write off the garbage that is Dark Phoenix like they did Gigantic. That's a big story that would be much bigger under the care of "The Feige".

 

[jaymes_e06]

We're already seeing Iron Man, Cap, and Thor solos seem done for the time being. IM3 made well over a billion alone, yet where is IM4? RDJ won't do it, and likely same for Hemms and Evans. Plus, if they move to 4 films a year, 3 of those 4 can build the MCU like they are currently (which has been working for them) and that gives them room to exploit X-Men annually. Which do you think Disney banks more heavily on: X-Men or Captain Marvel? X-Men or Moon Knight? Etc. The X-Men are more valuable than most of what they already own based on brand name alone. You think Disney will simply ignore that? I don't. They will build another billion dollar franchise, on top of the 7 or 8 they already have that are flourishing under the current model.

Who cares what was what is now is different if Black Panther does as well as everyone projects they will have another franchise with Avengers, Guardians and Spider-man etc... all making more money than the X-Men films you don't think they'll take that into consideration also? If they have run away hits with CM or BP they will fast track sequels not delay them for X-Men movies they'll have to shoehorn in as it stands now. At keast if they are as intelligent as you say

 

[wobbly]

Fox releasing more than one X-Men (or related) film a year was never commonplace anyway.

Last year with Deadpool & Apocalypse was the first time they did it. Next year will be the first time they have 3 in one year, then it's back to one the next.

Not seeing a big deal if Disney, should the deal go through, more or less followed Fox's established release pattern. One main X- Men every 2 to 3 years, spin offs around them or inbetween.

 

[jaymes_e06]

Dude, we don't even "KNOW" that this buyout is going to happen (though it's certainly looking likely) and I don't think anyone "KNOWS" (at least no one on these boards) for sure what Feige is thinking.

Ever consider taking that crystal ball back? You don't know any more than anyone else. It's fine to have an opinion, but you're coming across like "these are the facts" when they simply aren't.

Plus, if you are going to label people you don't know as "fanatics", I suggest a skin thickener. It can be purchased at The Common Sense Store. I think there's one by the Arch.

Why attack marvelrobbins when this whole thread is based on predictive thinking? He's not the only one making assertions here unless you have everyone on block but him.

 

[InCali]

Why attack marvelrobbins when this whole thread is based on predictive thinking? He's not the only one making assertions here unless you have everyone on block but him.

I don't think I'm attacking anyone. What I'm trying to point out (and what I said) is that it's fine to have an opinion, but what I'm reading looks like someone saying this is how it's going to be; that is, what I'm saying is a fact. Maybe that's splitting hairs and, if so, I apologize, but I, at least, never called anyone a "fanatic".

"I think Marvel will" and "Marvel is going to" mean 2 very different things to me.

EDIT: If you read most of what others have posted, you'll see a lot of "That still leaves Marvel room to...." and "I don't see a big difference in...." and "I think Marvel should.....". What I'm seeing from "some" is "Marvel will.....".

 

[spider-neil]

I think there should be;
Fantastic Four movie
Deadpool movie
And the roll out members of the X-men in team up movies.
Wolverine vs the Hulk
Spider-Man, Iceman and Firestar
Black Panther and Storm
And so on.
Let X-men movies sit it out for a while.

 

[TheVileOne]

To me none of this is official until Marvel and Disney make an announcement. Only then it will be real to me.

Also government or DOJ could still step in and possibly block the deal, no matter what anyone says. Even the Marvel/Disney deal had to go through a period where the deal had to get approved by the federal government.

 

[Darepool]

Then respectfully you are being very naive. The most we can hope for is an X-Men movie every 2 years and maybe a cameo of a few mutants in event films and a co-starring role for Wolverine in said film. It will be similar to how it was in the comics only Disney would have no choice but to feed into egos and diminish the new X-Men otherwise they will take away from what they've established as Fox has the best female lineup and the best maverick character in Marvel comics.

We get Avengers movies every three years, so every two years for an X-Men film would be OK with me, but I think it will be 3. That's perfectly acceptable.

 

[TheVileOne]

Hypothetically, what's wrong with an X-Men film every two years?

 

[InCali]

I think there should be;
Fantastic Four movie
Deadpool movie
And the roll out members of the X-men in team up movies.
Wolverine vs the Hulk
Spider-Man, Iceman and Firestar
Black Panther and Storm
And so on.
Let X-men movies sit it out for a while.

I'm not sure what to do with X-Men at this point. I imagine they'll recast?? The franchise has been so uneven and meandering that I think it's been put in a very difficult position. The FF has been butchered, but hasn't had the years of exposure that X-Men has. It certainly needs some TLC, but I can at least think of some ways forward for FF.

 

[spider-neil]

We get Avengers movies every three years, so every two years for an X-Men film would be OK with be, but I think it will be 3. That's perfectly acceptable.

If you got an X-men movie every three years they would feel like event movies.

 

[InCali]

Hypothetically, what's wrong with an X-Men film every two years?

Nothing. That's a lot. If you do some stand alones, that works for me.

 

[wobbly]

Hypothetically, what's wrong with an X-Men film every two years?

Since that has been the far more common pattern with Fox's releases, nothing, imo.

 

[TheVileOne]

IMHO, to me most of the X-Men characters always worked best as a group rather than solo characters. And only a handful of those characters IMHO would work as solo characters in their own films anyway.

So you can do X-Men, and then you can still do some spin-offs or off-shoots if you want later.

Same with Fantastic Four. You don't do solo setup films for Fantastic Four. You could maybe do one for Silver Surfer, but that's about it. He's not a Fantastic Four member.

 

[Spiderine]

Who knows what they will do with an actual FF or Xfilm.

But marvel will have unlimited access to all those villains and alien races.

 

[Darepool]

Hypothetically, what's wrong with an X-Men film every two years?

I'd love it myself but we're talking about a boutique studio here. I think 3 films a year should be the maximum whether they get Fox assets or not.

I'm always of the opinion that less is more, so if that means keeping the fans waiting a little longer to get it right and not overflooding the marketplace, then OK everyday. That way:

If you got an X-men movie every three years they would feel like event movies.