The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[Willie Lumpkin]

At this point I feel like I did in December when a deal seemed a near certainty but we were still waiting for official word. It's sounding really good, but not completely done yet.

The cool thing now is we could progress very quickly from "Comcast won't bid" to "The deal is closed", while in December we knew we had a long wait even under the best of circumstances.

And once the deal is closed, it's just a little waiting until characters start showing up in films.t:

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Yeah, where T'Challa walks Storm down the aisle maybe. If they make her a teenager around the same age as Shuri, then I don't see that happening.

Hopefully they go the 20 and older route for Ororo.

Keep the teens/preteens for New Mutants.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

This is excellent. Half the battle is already won. Disney is getting ALL the infinity stones.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

 

[MarvelRudi]

This maybe a dumb question...if Disney bought Fox with the intention of buying RSN with it for 71 billion...now that DOJ have rejected the RSN channels coming with the package does that mean Disney are overpaying? Should the price not be negotiated again? Or is it that Disney will get the RSN channels but they need sell it once the sale goes through?

 

[Dark Raven]

Not so fast. In case we end up seeing Feige reacting like this if it all comes crashing down:

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[Willie Lumpkin]

This maybe a dumb question...if Disney bought Fox with the intention of buying RSN with it for 71 billion...now that DOJ have rejected the RSN channels coming with the package does that mean Disney are overpaying? Should the price not be negotiated again? Or is it that Disney will get the RSN channels but they need sell it once the sale goes through?

This should have been anticipated and there was likely an approximate value placed on various assets that might be excluded in the latest bid, so they will probably pull out "Contingency H" and adjust the total bid accordingly.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Not so fast. In case we end up seeing Feige reacting like this if it all comes crashing down:

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I never get tired of watching that.

 

[MasterCat]

Hopefully they go the 20 and older route for Ororo.

Keep the teens/preteens for New Mutants.

The original X-Men need to be young teens who are just manifesting their powers after Avengers 4 & Spider-Man: Far From Home. Otherwise the MCU ceases to make sense.
"We didn't help with the alien invasions or Ultron trying to drop a dinosaur killer because he have to hide from a world that hates us for having powers."
"GEE, I WONDER WHY. Dips***s."

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Remember when Jeremy Latcham jumped from Marvel to Fox?

https://www.thewrap.com/jeremy-latcham-leave-marvel-20th-century-fox-deal-exclusive/

I wonder what's going on with him now? Did he anticipate this in some form, or is he going "Oh s***"?

 

[BaronZemo]

Don' pop the champagne yet folks. If Comcast comes back with a 88-90 billion it won't matter if the DOJ has approved. Fox will consider the offer. Not yet. Close but not yet.

 

[MasterCat]

Very seriously, if the X-Men debut old enough that they had their powers before Avengers, Marvel Studios will need to bring RDJ back regardless of salary demands just so he can call them "dips***s" while making this face:

 

[BaronZemo]

If y come from a alternate reality, it doesn;t matter how old they are. Marvel can make it work.

 

[Marvel united]

I'm firmly in the camp of wanting the X-Men to be start off young in the MCU. Not necessarily young as Spider-Man but late teens early 20s - same age they were in Ultimate X-Men. It makes the most sense and it allows for a much greater long-term investment and character development in not only the characters themselves but also the actors.

The only way an older X-Men could work and make sense is if they tried to make some convoluted backstory of the X-Men being some kind of secret black-ops group the government and Charles put together. This would all have happened before even the first IM movie.

 

[Detective Conan]

So how close are we now?

Quite close. The deal still has to get regulatory approval in other countries, and the shareholders still have to vote on the deal(the shareholders meeting was initially scheduled for July 10th but got postponed indefinitely once Disney made their new bid). Not to mention a federal judge has to give the final say on the deal. If all goes well, and if Comcast either backs out soon enough or Disney defeats them one final time after they make their final bid we might be looking at the deal fully closing as soon as this December. It’s looking very unlikely for Comcast to get the Fox assets(still expect another bid from them) and the recent DOJ approval is a major advantage that Disney has over Comcast; which, according to Fox’s lawyers even with AT&T/Time Warner’s approval Comcast still faces more hazier regulatory hurdles than Disney.

 

[ImSGirl95]

Wait, what did I missed? They got approved from DOJ?
What does that mean? I mean, let's assume Comcast doesn't do anything and so on, how much time until the official and everything else is set and done and Disney can be called owners of Fox?

 

[MasterCat]

The only way an older X-Men could work and make sense is if they tried to make some convoluted backstory of the X-Men being some kind of secret black-ops group the government and Charles put together. This would all have happened before even the first IM movie.

The government had a black-ops group that failed to show up to save the world three times? Still wouldn't work.
Spider-Man will graduate from high school by 2021. Xavier with the original X-Men at his prep school can be the high school series that replaces it.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Y'all think too hard about mutants fitting in continuity.

Just because one can shoot optic blasts, have telekinetic powers or control the weather doesn't mean they were pussyfooting around while Thanos was wreaking havoc.

They could've been saving the MCU from threats we didn't know was happening lol.

 

[Detective Conan]

Don' pop the champagne yet folks. If Comcast comes back with a 88-90 billion it won't matter if the DOJ has approved. Fox will consider the offer. Not yet. Close but not yet.

Problem is that even Fox’s lawyers have determined(even in light of AT&T/Time Warner merger getting approved, as well the improved, more regulatory friendly Comcast offer) that any merger with Comcast would face a greater likelihood of regulatory pushbacks that could drag things out(similar to the DOJ opposition to the AT&T/Time Warner merger).

Look how long it took for the merger between Time Warner and AT&T to be approved — it took a very lengthy, expensive trial that took two years to win approval. Would Fox shareholders really abandon a deal that’s practically the safer option which also has already won DOJ approval for a much more risky one with Comcast that will likely face similar pushback? I don’t think so.

And that’s the major disadvantage Comcast has. I expect them to place another bid, mind you, but unless Fox’s lawyers determine that the new Comcast offer has significantly assuaged any regulatory concerns than I’d say it’s quite unlikely for Fox to go with Kabletown. Granted, it might be a bit too premature to celebrate since Comcast hasn’t thrown in the towel just yet but I would surprised if the Fox board does go with them at this point.

 

[Drexelhand]

The four conceivable ways I think it could work are:

* Illuminati - After Days of Future Past, multiple timelines were created and Xavier wiped the minds of everyone on Earth to make them forget about mutants.

* Secret Wars - Universes are merged.


* Roma - Same thing as Illuminati, but its like after Fall of the Mutants where Roma let everyone think mutants are dead but this time she makes everyone forget they lived.


* Reboot - Magneto was in Omarska as a child or is Cambodian and Xavier fought in the Gulf War.

 

[rebellion]

The government had a black-ops group that failed to show up to save the world three times? Still wouldn't work.
Spider-Man will graduate from high school by 2021. Xavier with the original X-Men at his prep school can be the high school series that replaces it.

X men being younger than spidey is an absolute NO for me. It would ruin the dynamics too much, to the pointthat i would rather have them completely separate from MCU.

 

[MasterCat]

They could've been saving the MCU from threats we didn't know was happening lol.

Oh boy, retconning in three threats to the world that kept the X-Men from helping - which we'll probably never see because Marvel Studios doesn't do many prequels!
Plus Xavier would be a narrow-minded bigot and mass mind-rapist for wiping the memories of authorities all over the world so Mutants wouldn't have to register in Civil War, while failing to use his mind wipes to help Captain America's little group of six.

 

[MasterCat]

X men being younger than spidey is an absolute NO for me. It would ruin the dynamics too much, to the pointthat i would rather have them completely separate from MCU.

But as I said, they all had to be prepubescent kids whose powers hadn't manifested yet during Civil War. Otherwise Xavier is a complete monster for using global mind-wipes to make authorities forget mutants exist while not using the same power to help Captain America's little group of six.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think it's just best to have the X-Men be teenagers and new come their film. Mutants can have been around in small numbers, but just make Xavier's school fairly new. I'd also consider making the students be the ones to decide to form a team, as to not make Xavier look irresponsible for recruiting kids for very dangerous missions, LOL!

 

[ADollarADay]

Has been updated to say they have got that approval.

As a voting shareholder are you going with the improved Disney offer, or would a silly buggers offer from Comcast, with no guarantee of approval, sway you now?

I'm voting for the sure thing.