The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[WeaponXCII]

And looking at all these images helps illustrate how fresh and new a Marvel Wolverine could feel. While it’s been frustrating watching Fox, time after time again, shy away from giving us real comic book characters, at least now a faithful Doom, Wolverine, Thing etc. will still feel like things we’ve never seen.

Willie: I'm glad you brought this up, because I've been hoping for the right opportunity to ask you a question.

Which of the two franchises (FF/X-Men) do you think was treated with greater respect (i.e., accuracy to the comics)? Since comics are a visual medium, the visuals (IMHO) have always been the most important aspect, and so, whenever I would see a movie like the 2005 FF, I would always scoff "Hell, at least they got actual costumes!"

I don't know- maybe it's because I'm more partial to the X-Men, but I always thought basically every other franchise faired way better, simply because of this small, yet essential aspect.

I don't mean to turn this into a "My franchise was treated worse!" competition. I've always thought you were a pretty cool, knowledgeable, informative- and above all, passionate- guy. I like being on good terms with you. Just wanted to hear your (or anybody else's) thoughts.

 

[Raiden]

He doesn't have to be canadian. This whole attachment to such tirvial details really baffle me. You will never get a 100% version of the characters you have been reading. Even the MCU which respects the material has almost zero character taken straight out of the page.

Feige will take liberties like he did with Spider-man. There have been 11 X-men movies, there is no way they will be able to make a 100% comic-accurate adaptation.

You really need to start preparing to accept some changes...

I know he doesn't have to be Canadian (although it would have been a pretty cool detail), but I think other features like being short and stocky will not only give us a more comic booky Wolverine, but also distinguish him from Jackman's portrayal. The last thing MCU should do is to try to hire an actor that resembles Hugh Jackman more than the Wolverine from the comic books.

 

[Dark Raven]

I know he doesn't have to be Canadian (although it would have been a pretty cool detail), but I think other features like being short and stocky will not only give us a more comic booky Wolverine, but also distinguish him from Jackman's portrayal. The last thing MCU should do is to try to hire an actor that resembles Hugh Jackman more than the Wolverine from the comic books.

To distinguish himself from Jackman, they should go the other way. Get a 6'10" actor who is very lanky. That will make Jackman look short and stocky.

 

[Cobalt Panther]

Not that it means much by this stage but..

Disney's $71 Billion Fox Bid Backed by Influential Proxy Firms

(Bloomberg) -- Walt Disney Co.’s $71 billion deal with 21st Century Fox Inc. won the endorsement of influential proxy advisers Institutional Shareholder Services Inc. and Glass Lewis & Co., giving the entertainment giant another edge over rival suitor Comcast Corp.

Both firms recommended that Fox shareholders vote in favor of the transaction during a July 27 investor meeting, with Glass Lewis arguing that Disney offered “a unique, prospectively far-reaching opportunity” to capitalize on the acquisition. Disney is vying with Comcast to acquire a prized collection of Fox entertainment assets that includes the 20th Century Fox film and TV studios.

https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/2018/07/13/disney-s-71-billion-fox-bid-wins-backing-from-glass-lewis

This is basically another blow to Comcast, and as the 27th approaches, its becoming less and less likely that they will even bother coming back with an increased offer for Fox.

 

[Marvel united]

He doesn't have to be canadian. This whole attachment to such tirvial details really baffle me. You will never get a 100% version of the characters you have been reading. Even the MCU which respects the material has almost zero character taken straight out of the page.

Feige will take liberties like he did with Spider-man. There have been 11 X-men movies, there is no way they will be able to make a 100% comic-accurate adaptation.

You really need to start preparing to accept some changes...

An argument could be made that just doing comic X-Men alone would be something fresh and new. There is zero need for a Homecoming-esque reinvention when the classic version has never been done Justice.

And I hope you were talking about the actor and no Wolverine himself because if you weren't, yes - Wolverine DOES have to be Canadian. It is not some insignificant trivial detail

 

[Iceman]

I would like a short and stocky Wolverine this time out. Doesn’t have to be as short as comics Wolverine as that might narrow down choice too much, but at least not someone who is considered tall.

 

[Marvel united]

Willie: I'm glad you brought this up, because I've been hoping for the right opportunity to ask you a question.

Which of the two franchises (FF/X-Men) do you think was treated with greater respect (i.e., accuracy to the comics)? Since comics are a visual medium, the visuals (IMHO) have always been the most important aspect, and so, whenever I would see a movie like the 2005 FF, I would always scoff "Hell, at least they got actual costumes!"

I don't know- maybe it's because I'm more partial to the X-Men, but I always thought basically every other franchise faired way better, simply because of this small, yet essential aspect.

I don't mean to turn this into a "My franchise was treated worse!" competition. I've always thought you were a pretty cool, knowledgeable, informative- and above all, passionate- guy. I like being on good terms with you. Just wanted to hear your (or anybody else's) thoughts.

In terms of visual medium? I think the X-Men got the worst of the end of the stick. The Singer films constantly shy away from sci-fi, fantastical elements from the comics.

The closest we have gotten to seeing the world of comic book X-Men is the Deadpool films.

However, the F4 absolutely have it worse when it comes to terrible films.

 

[Iceman]

With many of the main X-Men characters they haven’t really made much of an effort to get their looks and powers right.

 

[Flint Marko]

Willie: I'm glad you brought this up, because I've been hoping for the right opportunity to ask you a question.

Which of the two franchises (FF/X-Men) do you think was treated with greater respect (i.e., accuracy to the comics)? Since comics are a visual medium, the visuals (IMHO) have always been the most important aspect, and so, whenever I would see a movie like the 2005 FF, I would always scoff "Hell, at least they got actual costumes!"

I don't know- maybe it's because I'm more partial to the X-Men, but I always thought basically every other franchise faired way better, simply because of this small, yet essential aspect.

I don't mean to turn this into a "My franchise was treated worse!" competition. I've always thought you were a pretty cool, knowledgeable, informative- and above all, passionate- guy. I like being on good terms with you. Just wanted to hear your (or anybody else's) thoughts.

My two cents? Both have been mangled and strip-mined by Fox, but the X-men have at least had a string of successful movies that tapped into a handful of core elements that made people love those books.

Moviebob did a great video about it called "The X-men movies are not good" - basically getting Professor X right along with perfectly tapping into the gay youth parallels clearly struck a chord with a lot of fans, alongside consistently delivering a great Magneto and Wolverine.

The problem, of course, is that they never did much beyond that. The actual X-men themselves have always been pretty lame and the series has been hitting the same beats repeatedly since the Clinton administration. The FF might have had movies that delivered more on a superficial level, but they clearly missed the mark in honing in on what made those characters special.

 

[Tymminator]

Is that you?! I always thought that was a cool image, but didn’t know the origin.

Cool!

Yep! That’s me!

I’m part of a costuming group in MN. I have that Wolverine costume, classic Black Panther, classic Captain America and a WW2 Cap as well that I have not broke out yet. I am working on a Rebirth-Batman version and a Spider-man done (the group has many Spidey’s but I am gong for more of the John Romita Sr version were there are the movie versions) and I would love to have a classic Deathstroke the Terminator costume one day (based off of the Perez version).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Willie: I'm glad you brought this up, because I've been hoping for the right opportunity to ask you a question.

Which of the two franchises (FF/X-Men) do you think was treated with greater respect (i.e., accuracy to the comics)? Since comics are a visual medium, the visuals (IMHO) have always been the most important aspect, and so, whenever I would see a movie like the 2005 FF, I would always scoff "Hell, at least they got actual costumes!"

I don't know- maybe it's because I'm more partial to the X-Men, but I always thought basically every other franchise faired way better, simply because of this small, yet essential aspect.

I don't mean to turn this into a "My franchise was treated worse!" competition. I've always thought you were a pretty cool, knowledgeable, informative- and above all, passionate- guy. I like being on good terms with you. Just wanted to hear your (or anybody else's) thoughts.

Hmmmm, I think that's a tricky question because there have been so many different movies and different characters costumes etc. within those movies.

I guess I would say FF may have gotten both the best (Tim Story films) and worst (Fant4stic).

But even with the Tim Story films there were things that were off (Thing's rubber suit, Doom, Cloudactus etc.) visually and even more things that were off in terms of characters.

But since I'm a much bigger FF fan than X-Men fan, my perspective is skewed - things that are off on FF bother me more than things that are off on X-Men.

Then from a 30,000 foot perspective, Fox's willingness to change things and unwillingness to make an effort to keep things close is one of the single biggest problems with their films.

Marvel clearly spent a lot of trying to get things like Captain America's uniform right and make sense in the story.

Fox, on the other hand couldn't do something as simple as making Fant4stics 'containment suits' blue.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yep! That’s me!

I’m part of a costuming group in MN. I have that Wolverine costume, classic Black Panther, classic Captain America and a WW2 Cap as well that I have not broke out yet. I am working on a Rebirth-Batman version and a Spider-man done (the group has many Spidey’s but I am gong for more of the John Romita Sr version were there are the movie versions) and I would love to have a classic Deathstroke the Terminator costume one day (based off of the Perez version).

Cool!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This is interesting. Was Galactus suggested in GOTG?

http://****************.com/movies/really-super-secret-galactus-easter-egg-guardians-galaxy/

 

[Tymminator]

This is interesting. Was Galactus suggested in GOTG?

http://****************.com/movies/really-super-secret-galactus-easter-egg-guardians-galaxy/

Wow...that’s new to me.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm looking forward to Marvel doing Dazzler the movie. It can bring the character full circle, as she started out as a potential movie tie-in during the 70s but then never came to fruition.

I never liked the idea of Fox ever doing that, if they even were to consider it. But under Disney and Marvel, a Dazzler movie could be something special and fresh. A comic movie musical - a genre they haven't touched on yet in the MCU.

Anyone thinking that comic book movies are getting stale and all the same would see Dazzler as completely different. It could have a really killer soundtrack too with several chart-topping songs.

A Dazzler movie has been a dream of mine for years and now it looks like it will be a possibility and done correctly.

 

[The Infernal]

He doesn't have to be canadian. This whole attachment to such tirvial details really baffle me. You will never get a 100% version of the characters you have been reading. Even the MCU which respects the material has almost zero character taken straight out of the page.

Feige will take liberties like he did with Spider-man. There have been 11 X-men movies, there is no way they will be able to make a 100% comic-accurate adaptation.

You really need to start preparing to accept some changes...

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[Kuwolski]

He doesn't have to be canadian. This whole attachment to such tirvial details really baffle me.
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If it's trivial then whatever they ended up changing him to would also be trivial right? So why do it?

I doubt they will.

 

[Detective Conan]

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It's ironic that Wolverine's first ever portrayal in media other than comics (in the Amazing Spider-Man & Friends episode "A Fire-Star Is Born") was Australian considering the nationality of the actor who would later go on to portray him in the movies.

 

[MasterCat]

It is his destiny.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

With many of the main X-Men characters they haven’t really made much of an effort to get their looks and powers right.

Fox didn't even try. Just gave them black leather, adorned it with an X and called it a day.

I will NEVER forgive them for Storm and that failed ass Toad one liner.

 

[wobbly]

I see Ioan Gruffudd has expressed an interest in joining the MCU, perhaps as a villian:

"I would love that... I just don't know, in that universe, the Marvel world, would they let me play something else?... I'm sure for Marvel it was a tough decision to pick Chris to play that part [Captain America] because he'd already played one superhero, but what a brilliant decision it was, because he's wonderful. And Michael B Jordan has played Johnny Storm and he's amazing in Black Panther as well, so there are precedents set. So we'll see. Maybe [I could play] a baddie, this time? Now that I've established myself as somebody who can do that, that would be great."

If he had not played Reed I could see him doing a decent Doom tbh.

 

[Dark Raven]

I see Ioan Gruffudd has expressed an interest in joining the MCU, perhaps as a villian:

"I would love that... I just don't know, in that universe, the Marvel world, would they let me play something else?... I'm sure for Marvel it was a tough decision to pick Chris to play that part [Captain America] because he'd already played one superhero, but what a brilliant decision it was, because he's wonderful. And Michael B Jordan has played Johnny Storm and he's amazing in Black Panther as well, so there are precedents set. So we'll see. Maybe [I could play] a baddie, this time? Now that I've established myself as somebody who can do that, that would be great."

If he had not played Reed I could see him doing a decent Doom tbh.

He could be Professor X.

 

[MasterCat]

He could be Professor X.

Being British is an essential part of Xavier's identity.

 

[BaronZemo]

Being British is an essential part of Xavier's identity.

You must have missed the part then where Xavier is as American as it gets....

 

[Tymminator]

Being British is an essential part of Xavier's identity.

Actually if you are talking 616 Comics, Xavier was born in NYC, he went to school at Oxford and I think may have lived in a London for a bit after, but the man is American.