The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[Endeavor]

~$180 million dollars spent. Publicly-traded corporation.

Roll your eyes all you want and then glance at the title of the thread you're in.
I've gotten similar comments about X-Men ever coming to the MCU.
Impossible, never happen, etc etc. Yet look where we're at now.

I want that POS movie cancelled and will keep on hoping it is. If it doesn't, oh well, at least the X-Men won't be butchered anymore after it.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

New Mutants is the only Fox property I'm weeping over. That teaser trailer with Pink Floyd really reeled me in.

 

[Endeavor]

Unpopular opinion: Dark Phoenix should be released and be marketed as “the epic conclusion of an era!”

Don’t forget there are still fans of this version of the X-Men, it would be disrespectful to them to not at least let them enjoy one last taste of this version of the characters.

I've been disrespected more. I don't want to see Phoenix, one of my favorite characters, suffer through another Kinberg crapfest.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Unpopular opinion: Dark Phoenix should be released and be marketed as “the epic conclusion of an era!”

Don’t forget there are still fans of this version of the X-Men, it would be disrespectful to them to not at least let them enjoy one last taste of this version of the characters before they are rebooted into the MCU with totally new actors playing them.

Hiring Simon Kinberg was the disrespectful thing...

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I want that POS movie cancelled and will keep on hoping it is. If it doesn't, oh well, at least the X-Men won't be butchered anymore after it.

For real.

A Dark Phoenix movie with no Hellfire Club, no Shi'Ar, just Sansa Stark covered in CGI fire and Storm having 3 lines. I'll pass.

 

[Marvel united]

Roll your eyes all you want and then glance at the title of the thread you're in.
I've gotten similar comments about X-Men ever coming to the MCU.
Impossible, never happen, etc etc. Yet look where we're at now.

I want that POS movie cancelled and will keep on hoping it is. If it doesn't, oh well, at least the X-Men won't be butchered anymore after it.

I want a proper MCU Dark Pheoneix

 

[Detective Conan]

Another unpopular opinion: Deadpool should never really be in the MCU and I kind of hope he stays in his little pocket universe by himself. Him being in an Avengers movie wouldn’t work imo.

 

[Detective Conan]

Deadpool is a cool character but I think works better by himself.

 

[MasterCat]

Roll your eyes all you want and then glance at the title of the thread you're in.
I've gotten similar comments about X-Men ever coming to the MCU.
Impossible, never happen, etc etc. Yet look where we're at now.

X-Men coming to the MCU is part of a pair of business decisions so sound they'll be the CEO of Disney's legacy.
Burying a completed ~$180 million film would be a business decision so bad, it's never been done before. Do the math.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Another unpopular opinion: Deadpool should never really be in the MCU and I kind of hope he stays in his little pocket universe by himself. Him being in an Avengers movie wouldn’t work imo.

I think MCU Deadpool might surprise us. The fact that Iger said it opens Disney to try R-rated movies shows me that they obviously get his shtick. But like you said keep him in solos with a few team ups. Mass crossovers like Avengers wouldn't work.

They'll probably have him and Spidey together when it's time for the ESU college years.

 

[Marvel united]

~$180 million dollars spent. He's a mega-successful producer, a businessman. He's not that stupid.

And an MCU X-Men film could easily make 8x that.

 

[MasterCat]

Pair Deadpool with whatever one MCU hero Ryan Reynolds thinks would be funniest. Easy peasy.

 

[Marvel united]

I think MCU Deadpool might surprise us. The fact that Iger said it opens Disney to try R-rated movies shows me that they obviously get his shtick. But like you said keep him in solos with a few team ups. Mass crossovers like Avengers wouldn't work.

They'll probably have him and Spidey together when it's time for the ESU college years.

Deadpool should still be the Reynolds version. Zero reason to recast him considering the nature of his character

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

And again, we need a proper Marvel vs Capcom 4 game with the mutants included.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Deadpool should still be the Reynolds version. Zero reason to recast him considering the nature of his character

Agreed. Ryan Reynolds is Wade Wilson and Wade Wilson is Ryan Reynolds.

 

[MasterCat]

And an MCU X-Men film could easily make 8x that.

Heh, imagine Feige pitching that to Papa Iger in a nasally Comic Book Guy voice.
"An MCU X-Men film could easily gross $1.44 billion! But! It won't make that much unless we cancel Fox's Worst. Episode. Ever!"
He didn't get where he is financially by being like that.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Wait! Wait! Wait!

After credits scene attached in which Galactus eats the X-Men Earth.t:

I'd add Galactus eating the FFINO verse, but that would be cruel and unusual punishment according to Uatu... to Galactus.

 

[Abudefduf]

Another unpopular opinion: Deadpool should never really be in the MCU and I kind of hope he stays in his little pocket universe by himself. Him being in an Avengers movie wouldn’t work imo.

I 100% agree with this. Feige hasn't spent the last 10 years carefully crafting his cinematic universe only to have a cartoon character from another movie series show up and ruin everything.

"Well just have him randomly appear in an MCU movie and aknowledge that he's now in a different universe!" No thanks. There's breaking the 4th wall, and then there's smashing it with a wrecking ball and pissing on the rubbles.

 

[MasterCat]

For the record, the most expensive Hollywood film to go unreleased that I can find is Big Bug Man, a $20 million animated superhero film that went into post at the time of voice actor Marlon Brando's (!) death.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And an MCU X-Men film could easily make 8x that.

$180 million is 0.2% of the Fox deal, so next to nothing in the grand scheme.

But more importantly, after Disney closes in the coming months, they will have to spend money marketing Dark Phoenix. If it's Fant4stic bad (which is possible since Simon Kinberg directed it) any money spent marketing it could be good money after bad.

I don't think Marvel should or would scrap a good film just to keep their universe more clean, but if it's as bad as I suspect it might be, it might not be a bad business decision to not throw more money at it.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

It also never ceases to amuse me how we're all clamoring about the idea of Marvel getting the rights back to these characters and having their universe completely whole, while DC/WB owns all of their characters and can't even put together a credible DCEU.

Wonder how long until Mickey and Minnie gets them too.

 

[MasterCat]

I don't think Marvel should or would scrap a good film just to keep their universe more clean, but if it's as bad as I suspect it might be, it might not be a bad business decision to not throw more money at it.

If they see that it's bad, release it on schedule with the bare minimum advertising budget. Trailer before a November Disney release, then drop it on Youtube and buy 0 ads. Standard lobby cardboard ads and a print run of only like 20,000 posters. Then it makes whatever money it makes. Enough people are actually looking forward to this that it could match Apocalypse's $66 million domestic opening weekend without a real ad campaign.

 

[shahrozhaider26]

1) Can anyone tell if everything goes smooth from now on and shareholders vote happen on 27th Julay (Friday). So will we know by Friday evening that "yes" shareholders approved the deal ? (provided that they approve which i hope they likely will)

2) US regulators have already approved the deal, so what other countries are left apart from India (Star Group)? Because Sky's 39% stake and Endemol's 50% (soon to be sold) are stake european oriented assets. How long will it take? any idea

3) After 27th July, will Fiege be able to say that yes now he can see x-men and f4 coming home?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

1) Can anyone tell if everything goes smooth from now on and shareholders vote happen on 27th Julay (Friday). So will we know by Friday evening that "yes" shareholders approved the deal ? (provided that they approve which i hope they likely will)

Yes. I believe we will know by Friday evening or very shortly thereafter.

2) US regulators have already approved the deal, so what other countries are left apart from India (Star Group)? Because Sky's 39% stake and Endemol's 50% (soon to be sold) are stake european oriented assets. How long will it take? any idea

I think this is the trickiest part. I don't know what approvals remain (some may be trickling in between now and July 27). Overall, it shouldn't be overly complicated since we're talking about a US company with primarily US assets being bought by a US company.

3) After 27th July, will Fiege be able to say that yes now he can see x-men and f4 coming home? I don't think Feige will say much until after the official closing. He knows it's happening and we know it's happening. When asked, he will probably try to keep focus on more immediate and upcoming films with vague answers such as "we have a lot of stories we're thinking about telling in the coming years". They may announce something at Comic-Con next year, but if so, it will be very planned and not something Feige will just mention in an interview or tweet. We might get some little tidbits in upcoming films, but we've seen historically they typically tell us the films that are coming up before hinting at those films in other films.

 

[HBarnill]

I 100% agree with this. Feige hasn't spent the last 10 years carefully crafting his cinematic universe only to have a cartoon character from another movie series show up and ruin everything.

...they’re all cartoon characters.