The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[MasterCat]

I’m also of the mindset that once they’re gone there isn’t a recast. I want recasts to happen once all is said and done and there’s a reboot way down the road.

Throwing away characters when the actor gets arrogant is not a good strategy.

 

[MasterCat]

If Stark survives Avengers 4 I expect to see RDJ popping up in cameos at least every few years.

This attitude is the only reason I expect him to die in A4. He'd charge at least $2.75-5.5 million per minute of cameo.

 

[marcvader]

Throwing away characters when the actor gets arrogant is not a good strategy.

I want to see more characters used and developed. I don’t have to see Stark or BW or Cap, who’s my favorite, in every other film.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Still, if Comcast wins, maybe we’ll finally see Namor on the silver screen, albeit as an F4 antagonist.

If Disney wins, they could make a deal with Comcast for Sky and Star that could also send Namor back to Marvel.

 

[Iceman]

This attitude is the only reason I expect him to die in A4. He'd charge at least $2.75-5.5 million per minute of cameo.

As long as it's in the $2B team up films then they can probably afford a 1 minute cameo.

 

[Big Bang]

Comcast probably failed to get an investor to buy the domestic assets I'm guessing

That is probably the case. Comcast is already looking at paying $31B or more for just the 61% stake of Sky. Fox now having received regulatory clearance will have to raise its bid, if it wants to secure that buyout. On top of that, Sky wants to adjust the valuation due to Disney's buyout of Fox, so that the price will likely go even higher. Even bidding for just the International assets is likely to get very expensive.

 

[Boom]

If Disney wins, they could make a deal with Comcast for Sky and Star that could also send Namor back to Marvel.

I wager Star and Sky are far more valuable than Namor.

 

[honestbharani]

AvX was a garbage story and RDJ is so expensive (either $50 million or $100 million for 18 minutes of screen time in IW, $15 million for 8 minutes in Homecoming) that Disney cautioned in an earnings call that IW isn't that profitable even with a $2 billion gross.
He needs to die. They can recast Tony Stark when they need him.

Possibly because the spend on shooting both movies would be accounted for this year as cost of that movie.

 

[MasterCat]

Possibly because the spend on shooting both movies would be accounted for this year as cost of that movie.

Oh, that's true. If they spent, say, $700 million filming them back to back, it wouldnt take much more than $100 million spent on ads to wipe out their IW profits. Then they could count their entire cut of A4's gross minus advertising budget as profit.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I wager Star and Sky are far more valuable than Namor.

Of course. There would be a huge amount of money involved. But as long as they’re dealing, Comcast could throw in Hulk, Namor and theme park rights to help bring Disney to the table and lessen how much they’d have to spend.

 

[Silvermoth]

Yeah at this point universal know marvel and Disney want all their characters back and have the cash to back it up so they’re just going to be like

 

[Dark Raven]

If we get Namor back, I hope he has least a scene of him in his classic green Speedos and ankle wings.

And he needs to tussle with the likes of the Avengers, Hulk, Human Torch and Fantastic Four. I hope there's plenty of misunderstanding and hostility before he becomes more of an anti hero.

 

[Marvel united]

That is probably the case. Comcast is already looking at paying $31B or more for just the 61% stake of Sky. Fox now having received regulatory clearance will have to raise its bid, if it wants to secure that buyout. On top of that, Sky wants to adjust the valuation due to Disney's buyout of Fox, so that the price will likely go even higher. Even bidding for just the International assets is likely to get very expensive.

So maybe it would just be better for Disney to allow Comcast to have Fox? The price keeps going up and it's going to be very expensive for them to pay for both. And since Sky is not a branch of Fox - wouldn't Disney be allowed to communicate with them over the SKY deal?

And does anybody know when the Sun Valley thing is actually happening? We need to start marking down our calendars

 

[Dark Raven]

If Disney can't split assets because of contractual legal obligations with Fox, why can't Disney and Fox come to a new agreement where Disney doesn't have to buy Sky? Why does it have to be all one buyer?

For other things in life, you might not sell all to one buyer but sell off some assets to someone else.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If Disney can't split assets because of contractual legal obligations with Fox, why can't Disney and Fox come to a new agreement where Disney doesn't have to buy Sky? Why does it have to be all one buyer?

For other things in life, you might not sell all to one buyer but sell off some assets to someone else.

I think if Fox would like to broker a deal to split things up, there would be no problem with that.

The problem with that happening is Fox wants to get as much money as possible, and by splitting things up, they put an end to the bidding war, and that means less money in their pockets.

But, one hypothetical (and I'm going to throw completely random numbers in here just to illustrate the point, I have no idea what the actual values are), let's imagine Fox thinks Comcast is just about done and they're not going to bid again. If they believe that is the case and they believe (again these numbers are just random), Comcast would pay $40 billion for Star and Sky and Disney would pay $40 billion for everything else, they could put that out as an option, and in that case, they're getting more than the $71 billion they would have from Disney alone.

But in that hypothetical, if Fox thinks Comcast is done, Disney would likely also realize the same thing. And then Disney could get the whole thing for $71 billion and either keep it or sell Star and Sky to Comcast for $40 billion after the closing (giving them the same result while paying $9 billion less). And since Disney and Fox already have an agreement, Disney would be able to refuse to allow that hypothetical split (though Fox could scrap the deal if they think they'll still get what they want and it's worth the break-up fee).

So it's very tricky.

But there are also subtleties such as Comcast could let it be known, through discussions with Fox, what they're willing to pay and Disney can consider if they're willing to do a deal like that without Comcast and Disney directly talking or making a deal that would violate anti-trust requirements.

I also believe (though I haven't consulted with a lawyer) that Disney could make an offer to sell components to Comcast after closing at a certain price without violating anti-trust as long as they're very careful regarding how they word it and don't make their offer directly contingent on Comcast not bidding.

 

[WeaponXCII]

So maybe it would just be better for Disney to allow Comcast to have Fox? The price keeps going up and it's going to be very expensive for them to pay for both. And since Sky is not a branch of Fox - wouldn't Disney be allowed to communicate with them over the SKY deal?

And does anybody know when the Sun Valley thing is actually happening? We need to start marking down our calendars

July 11th going into next week.

 

[Endeavor]

Thanks guys. Hard to believe that in 3 weeks we may have our dream fulfilled. Although am I greedy enough to still think about Namor?

Yes, I am.

Ditto

 

[Endeavor]

If we get Namor back, I hope he has least a scene of him in his classic green Speedos and ankle wings.

And he needs to tussle with the likes of the Avengers, Hulk, Human Torch and Fantastic Four. I hope there's plenty of misunderstanding and hostility before he becomes more of an anti hero.

I want the ankle wings to be tattoos.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

If we get Namor back, I hope he has least a scene of him in his classic green Speedos and ankle wings.

And he needs to tussle with the likes of the Avengers, Hulk, Human Torch and Fantastic Four. I hope there's plenty of misunderstanding and hostility before he becomes more of an anti hero.

Agreed.

I also hope he is PISSED at humans for messing up the environment and the water in general. Like he's trying to drown us all until one of the Avengers or the F4 has to make him realize the error of his ways.

Should place him after the X-Men movie so we can see people being afraid that he's a mutant too.

 

[HBarnill]

Of course. There would be a huge amount of money involved. But as long as they’re dealing, Comcast could throw in Hulk, Namor and theme park rights to help bring Disney to the table and lessen how much they’d have to spend.

I’d rather Comcast keep the theme park rights. Their marvel land is one of the best themed lands in a theme park. I’d hate to see it go, especially the Hulk and Spider-Man rides.

 

[MasterCat]

I’d rather Comcast keep the theme park rights. Their marvel land is one of the best themed lands in a theme park. I’d hate to see it go, especially the Hulk and Spider-Man rides.

Yes, this. I don't know just what value a Comcast or Disney CFO would place on those "specific list of Marvel characters in US theme parks East of the Mississippi", but I'm not actually interested in seeing them change hands.
Namor film rights and Hulk film distribution rights would be nice, but I know enough to know they're worth very little.

 

[Zarex]

I’d rather Comcast keep the theme park rights. Their marvel land is one of the best themed lands in a theme park. I’d hate to see it go, especially the Hulk and Spider-Man rides.

Universal has some extremely well themed areas in both of its US parks, but Marvel Superhero Island ain't one of them. It was outdated when I visited back in 2009 and they've kept it largely the same since because of the restrictions of the licensing agreement. Disney is putting MCU characters into its Guardians rides on both coasts, and I would take that over the Liefieldian 90s era versions at Universal.

 

[Iceman]

Reuters: Comcast is said to seek to line up buyers for Fox's RSNs.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I’d rather Comcast keep the theme park rights. Their marvel land is one of the best themed lands in a theme park. I’d hate to see it go, especially the Hulk and Spider-Man rides.

I’d like to see Disney create an entire Marvel theme park. I don’t know if that would happen under any circumstances, but it would be more likely if Marvel had the rights.

I wasn’t particularly impressed with the Islands of Adventure Marvel area when I was there, and Universal is probably both unwilling and unable to build it into anything special now.

 

[Iceman]

I’d like to see Disney create an entire Marvel theme park. I don’t know if that would happen under any circumstances, but it would be more likely if Marvel had the rights.

I wasn’t particularly impressed with the Islands of Adventure Marvel area when I was there, and Universal is probably both unwilling and unable to build it into anything special now.

I wish they would make one in the UK! I'd be all over it!