The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[MasterCat]

"needs to"? I don't see it. Kevin Feige still tells an anecdote 18 years later about "someday, someday..." being able to give X-Men comic book visuals unlike the 2000 film he worked on. Bob Iger and the board surely see X-Men as the more lucrative.

 

[Detective Conan]

So... what about them Disney buying Fox news? Any new news?

Not yet. Since the annoucement of the DOJ appealing AT&T/Time Warner merger many saw that as the effectively destroying Comcast’s chances of ever winning Fox from Disney so now it’s expected by many analysts that Comcast will throw in the towel and just focus on Sky.

Unless Roberts is flexible enough to convince the cash gods from Faang to help him finance another rival bid from Fox(which at this point will take no less than 90+billion dollars to make Fox shareholders to even consider them) as well as give concrete evidence to the Fox shareholders that their chance of regulatory approval is just as good, if not better than Disney even despite the recent news of the appeal then Kabletown has virtually no chance of snatching up the Fox prize, and that’s not even mentioning the escalating prices for Sky already making it very onerous for them to continue their bidding war for the Fox assets. If all goes well and the shareholder meeting date resumes on the 27th this deal will be done by Christmas.

So far, pretty good. Expect news this coming week.

 

[WeaponXCII]

So... what about them Disney buying Fox news? Any new news?

Not lately. From what I gather around here, the guys involved in it take the weekends off from hashing it things out, so there probably isn't going to be anything until at least tomorrow. But here's the thing: hopefully there isn't. Like the saying goes, no news is good news.

 

[DyfeddRex]

My playlist the day they announce it sealed and kissed...

Petty's song I already mentioned.
Bare Naked Ladies "Call and Answer" for Fiege to take that dang call and answer us fans,
INXS "Good Times"
"Nothing but a Good Time"
Brubeck's "Take Five" to catch my breath...

Then Ozzy "Mama, I'm Coming Home"

Until then, first song on endless, please oh Eternity and Living Tribunal, end this, loop.

 

[DyfeddRex]

Followed by Nazerth's song about who you messing with, as a certain Latverian fills my mind in all his dark and wicked glory.

 

[MasterCat]

Hmm, interesting: Disney has a market cap only $8.5 billion lower than Netflix. If their streaming service is even slightly more attractive, they could grow a lot bigger at Netflix's expense.
We'll have to see how their debt compares after every 21st Century Fox shareholder has made their choice of stock/cash.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So... what about them Disney buying Fox news? Any new news?

No news is good news. In just over a week and a half, we'll just be waiting for the final closing.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Then Ozzy "Mama, I'm Coming Home"

We need this queued up for the 27th.

 

[Detective Conan]

Peyton Reed speaks a bit more about his ill-fated Fantastic Four film.

You’ve previously mentioned meeting up with Joss Whedon and saying that his first Avengers movie was similar to what you had in mind back when you almost tackled a Fantastic Four film. Could you share what you had in mind with your Fantastic Four

Reed: I mean, that was as far back as 2003, so it’s like 15 years ago. But the basic idea for that—which felt exciting to me at the time, and I think part of the reason I said that to Joss—was creating a set of superheroes with no secret identities. I mean, all these things are 15-year-old concepts, right? And everything has been done since then. But the idea of making, you know, you go to Manhattan and there’s the Empire State Building, and there’s the Statue Of Liberty, and there’s the Baxter Building, and the Fantastic Four are just a part of the fabric of New York and everyone knows them. These are things that really weren’t done quite as much in 2003 and now they’re kind of—they seem really passé.But also just the idea of a structure. At one point we were toying with A Hard Day’s Night structure, where you skipped entirely over the origin stuff and just present them in full, Fantastic Four mode, but I have to say a lot of the stuff we talked about back then, you know, was Fantastic Four as dysfunctional family, and The Avengers did a great job of that. And there’s a lot of that DNA, I think, in the Ant-Man movies that really is about family, and heroes who have very intimate relationships with each other.

So it probably would've skipped over the origin, eh? Don't think that approach would entirely work.

 

[Marvel united]

I love how passionate Reed is about the F4 but I'm not sure he's the right man for the job.

 

[MasterCat]

What's going to happen at Marvel Entertainment when Disney becomes Netflix's competitor? Does Netflix have a legal right to force ME to make more seasons of Luke Cage, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, The Defenders and/or The Punisher in perpetuity? That would really hurt Disney. People are going to choose between Netflix, Hulu, and a family-friendly Disney-brand service, not subscribe to all three.

 

[2kt09]

What's going to happen at Marvel Entertainment when Disney becomes Netflix's competitor? Does Netflix have a legal right to force ME to make more seasons of Luke Cage, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Iron Fist, The Defenders and/or The Punisher in perpetuity? That would really hurt Disney. People are going to choose between Netflix, Hulu, and a family-friendly Disney-brand service, not subscribe to all three.

They're just the distributor. Disney via ABC Studios & Marvel TV make the shows.

 

[MasterCat]

They're just the distributor. Disney via ABC Studios & Marvel TV make the shows.

So they can stop at any time, leaving Netflix with distribution rights to the seasons already created, correct?
Then the next question is, how quickly are the Netflix shows getting cancelled?

 

[KBX]

From what I remember Netflix can make new seasons of Luke Cage, Daredevil, etc as long as they want.

 

[Dark Raven]

My playlist the day they announce it sealed and kissed...

Petty's song I already mentioned.
Bare Naked Ladies "Call and Answer" for Fiege to take that dang call and answer us fans,
INXS "Good Times"
"Nothing but a Good Time"
Brubeck's "Take Five" to catch my breath...

Then Ozzy "Mama, I'm Coming Home"

Until then, first song on endless, please oh Eternity and Living Tribunal, end this, loop.

Mine's been:

[YT]RJqimlFcJsM[/YT]

It's coming home, it's coming home, it's coming!

The song on every Brit during this World Cup, which applies to the FF too.

 

[1627523]

Peyton Reed speaks a bit more about his ill-fated Fantastic Four film.


So it probably would've skipped over the origin, eh? Don't think that approach would entirely work.

It worked for both Blade and X-men so I think skipping over their origin in the first film would've been fine, even back in the early 2000s, although I do agree I want someone else for F4. He should probably focus on
Ant-man 3 instead TBH.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

If they put them in a modern-day, MCU, I think they'd have to show a little bit about their origin to show how they fit into that world.

But if they did a retro film (or Reed's stand-alone), I think it would work perfectly fine to start with them already established.

If you think about the first time you read a Fantastic Four comic book (or pretty much any comic book) chances are you didn't start with the origin.

You most likely jumped in reading about already well-established characters and quickly came up to speed. At some later point, you found out more about the origin.

There are few, if any characters that I think it's vital to show the origin as the first thing.

 

[Detective Conan]

It worked for both Blade and X-men so I think skipping over their origin in the first film would've been fine, even back in the early 2000s, although I do agree I want someone else for F4. He should probably focus on
Ant-man 3 instead TBH.

I’ve never seen the Blade movies(embarrassed to admit this ) so I can’t comment on those but your X-Men example is imperfect as they don’t need an origin film since it’s assumed they were born with their powers as all Mutants are. There’s no origin story required for the X-Men like the FF. The FF got their superpowers in an accident that changed their lives forever. That can’t be easily brushed over. Of course you could mention the incident in a throwaway line of dialogue but it would be much more better to just show what happen instead of speak about what happened.

At least show how they got their powers in the opening( ala’ Incredible Hulk).

 

[MasterCat]

From what I remember Netflix can make new seasons of Luke Cage, Daredevil, etc as long as they want.

If you're right, that really hurts Disney financially. What legal recourse would Iger and the board have to get out of such a deal? Order Loeb to triple Marvel TV's production costs?

 

[wobbly]

Get Scott Buck to run all the Netflix shows. That would see them getting canceled before long, lol.

 

[KBX]

If you're right, that really hurts Disney financially. What legal recourse would Iger and the board have to get out of such a deal? Order Loeb to triple Marvel TV's production costs?

Yeah Jessica Jones season 3 is happening and we all know Disney wants to create their own streaming service. Its definitely up to Netflix when they want to stop making new seasons. I personally don't have a problem. Netflix is popular and its given these characters some shine like they never had before.

 

[Dark Raven]

Can't Marvel trade Scott Buck for a piece of Comcast property? Maybe they can pass the Buck while getting Hulk and Namor rights back.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Get Scott Buck to run all the Netflix shows. That would see them getting canceled before long, lol.

I've never actually seen any discussion of the details, but I find it hard to believe, particularly after what happened with Fantastic Four, that Disney would give them such an open-ended contract.

And since Disney/Marvel/ABC clearly does have creative control, I don't see how Netflix can force them to make shows.

"Here's Season 3 of Daredevil for you Netflix. Oh, by the way, you'll notice it's 13 hours of Charlie Cox picking his nose. That's the creative direction we decided to go with the character."

 

[Fallen]

I love how passionate Reed is about the F4 but I'm not sure he's the right man for the job.

I agree.

Hmm, interesting: Disney has a market cap only $8.5 billion lower than Netflix. If their streaming service is even slightly more attractive, they could grow a lot bigger at Netflix's expense.
We'll have to see how their debt compares after every 21st Century Fox shareholder has made their choice of stock/cash.

Yeah, Disney will be a massive competitor for the entire streaming market.

Nexflix vs. Disneyflix will be the new Spotify vs. Apple Music.

 

[Docker2.0]

I’ve never seen the Blade movies(embarrassed to admit this ) so I can’t comment on those but your X-Men example is imperfect as they don’t need an origin film since it’s assumed they were born with their powers as all Mutants are. There’s no origin story required for the X-Men like the FF. The FF got their superpowers in an accident that changed their lives forever. That can’t be easily brushed over. Of course you could mention the incident in a throwaway line of dialogue but it would be much more better to just show what happen instead of speak about what happened.

At least show how they got their powers in the opening( ala’ Incredible Hulk).

Get the tuck out of here!