The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 21

[Marvel united]

Yeah, between all of the rights, and the Sky share, Comcast would still have to pony up a few billion. If they offered to buy Star from Disney it would become several billion more.

If they did the latter, Disney could put those funds into escrow, and offer up some of the cash to Sony for the Spider-Man rights. Just speculation, but fun speculation.

So you think Disney will let Comcast have Sky and if so, what if Comcast goes after Sony next?

 

[MasterCat]

For the most part you can't, but given how badly Comcast wants Sky, Disney can twist their arm a bit to keep any such valuation at a reasonable level. The rights transfer would serve more as a means to bring Disney to the table.

Right. "Hey, we'll give you fair market value for 39% of Sky and toss in these film rights that have annoyed you for so long..."
"What about US theme parks?"
"Would you knock a billion dollars off fair market value?"
"No, but as long as we're at the table..."

 

[Big Bang]

So you think Disney will let Comcast have Sky and if so, what if Comcast goes after Sony next?

Well, there is a lot of potentials. Whatever Comcast does domestically next I think is really going to hinge on what happens with the AT&T appeal, which is going to be done by the end of the year since it is being fast tracked. What is for certain, is that they are going to want to get in on any further entertainment consolidation. However, if AT&T loses, Comcast may find itself a target next. There are dozens of scenarios, but they all highlight why Sky is so important to Comcast.

Right. "Hey, we'll give you fair market value for 39% of Sky and toss in these film rights that have annoyed you for so long..."
"What about US theme parks?"
"Would you knock a billion dollars off fair market value?"
"No, but as long as we're at the table..."

 

[Detective Conan]

So you think Disney will let Comcast have Sky and if so, what if Comcast goes after Sony next?

This question isn’t directed st me but I’ll answer it anyway and say I really don’t feel Comcast would view Sony as an especially valuable asset(nowhere near the level of Fox which has Star India and majority stake in Hulu).

Sony has very little going for it in terms of assets that Comcast could use. Their size of valuable IP library is small and mediocre at best with the biggest stuff they have going for it right now besides Spider-Man is Jumanji. Aside from that what would even be the rationale of Comcast going after Sony? If hypothetically Sony were to be up for sale then it most likely would only be the film division as rumors seem to attest. If that was the case then Sony with only the film division for sale would hold little value for Comcast who seems to expand globally all while building a formidable subscription streaming service to compete with Netflix.

Trust me, Sony is very much at the bottom of the list for companies like Comcast to buy. A Sony deal would be vastly inferior to either the Time Warner and Fox offers which not only has voluminous IP at their disposal but vital international assets that could greatly be of use to them. Comcast is better off just getting Sky.

And Comcast getting Spider-Man would spell game-over for MCU Spider-Man.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Disney would still want more than that for 39% of Sky.
Comcast could offer the above, throw in their share of HULU and from what I understand Comcast would still have to pony up some cash because 39% of Sky is worth more than all of that.

Oh of course they will. The Marvel rights can be something that can be tossed in there along with something else. When else will Disney ever be able to get those Universal Marvel rights otherwise? Now is the time.

 

[Fallen]

So you think Disney will let Comcast have Sky and if so, what if Comcast goes after Sony next?

Imagine the mess.

Spidey .

 

[MasterCat]

Imagine the mess.

Spidey .

Am I the only one who doesn't think the current Sony deal is the most amazing, spectacular thing ever? The Russos are handling Peter's bit parts very well, but the mandatory crossovers in his solo films are going to hobble them artistically. Comics Peter had lots and lots of adventures without other Marvel characters guest starring. I'd like to see Homecoming be the start of a 9+ solo film continuity for Peter, to cover all his significant villains and love interests. It's hard to see how to do a good job jamming another MCU character into every one.

 

[ADollarADay]

This question isn’t directed st me but I’ll answer it anyway and say I really don’t feel Comcast would view Sony as an especially valuable asset(nowhere near the level of Fox which has Star India and majority stake in Hulu).

Sony has very little going for it in terms of assets that Comcast could use. The size of valuable IP library is small and mediocre at best with the biggest stuff they have going for it right now besides Spider-Man is Jumanji. Aside from that what would even be the rationale of Comcast going after Sony? If hypothetically Sony were to be up for sale then it most likely would only be the film division as rumors seem to attest. If that was the case then Sony with only the film division for sale would hold little value for Comcast who seems to expand globally all while building a formidable subscription streaming service to compete with Netflix.

Trust me, Sony is very much at the bottom of lists for companies like Comcast would want to buy. A Sony deal would be vastly inferior to either the Time Warner and Fox offers which not only has voluminous IP at their disposal but vital international assets that could greatly be of use to them. Comcast is better off just getting Sky.

And Comcast getting Spider-Man would spell game-over for MCU Spider-Man.

Spider-man is only so valuable as well. It's just film rights. No merch, game, tv rights etc. It's limited in appeal.

Am I the only one who doesn't think the current Sony deal is the most amazing, spectacular thing ever? The Russos are handling Peter's bit parts very well, but the mandatory crossovers in his solo films are going to hobble them artistically. Comics Peter had lots and lots of adventures without other Marvel characters guest starring. I'd like to see Homecoming be the start of a 9+ solo film continuity for Peter, to cover all his significant villains and love interests. It's hard to see how to do a good job jamming another MCU character into every one.

I have been over on why the Disney - Sony SM deal is one sided towards Sony. The only good thing Disney got out of it was a reduction in the BO gross payment they have to make to Sony. At least that's what's publicly known. If there are other amendments to the contract (i.e. the rights cannot be transferred in case of a sale or the contract expires after x amount of movies/years) then I may change my tune.

The one thing that deal did was make a non MCU spiderman seem like a lesser product now that we have seen in playing with Iron Man, Cap and company.

 

[Detective Conan]

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[Darkprime]

Could Disney be waiting until after the 27th to make a move on Sky? That would be pretty sneaky. Would that be even allowed?

 

[Big Bang]

Could Disney be waiting until after the 27th to make a move on Sky? That would be pretty sneaky. Would that be even allowed?

Can they? Yes, Fox can up their bid for them. Will they? That remains to be seen. In all likelihood they might not, but you never know.

 

[Detective Conan]

Could Disney be waiting until after the 27th to make a move on Sky? That would be pretty sneaky. Would that be even allowed?

That would be the prudent move because it would be a rather imbecilic to make a move on Sky before the shareholders meeting but I won't rule out Disney doing anything dumb out of arrogance. I couldn't care less what happens with Sky as long as it doesn't conflict with Disney getting Fox. I would hope that the mouse will be disciplined and refrain from getting too aggressive with getting Sky since they have enough to their advantage with Star India & the majority stake in Hulu that comes with the Fox assets. Disney doesn't need Sky.

 

[Darkprime]

Fox might not even need to bid more they already were they not given the green light in the UK to buy Sky? That alone gives them one over Comcast.

 

[Big Bang]

Fox might not even need to bid more they already were they not given the green light in the UK to buy Sky? That alone gives them one over Comcast.

Comcast was given the same green light.

 

[honestbharani]

What, you mean "best directors who are working on a CBM today"? Because Chris Nolan, Sam Raimi, et al are still working today.

Well, all of them had two ATG CB movies in their first two outings but Russos have blown both Spidey 3 and TDKR out of the water as far as I am concerned, so, yes, they are the best working CBM directors around in Hollywood IMO.

 

[Kuwolski]

Well, all of them had two ATG CB movies in their first two outings but Russos have blown both Spidey 3 and TDKR out of the water as far as I am concerned, so, yes, they are the best working CBM directors around in Hollywood IMO.

I'm with you. CW, WS, IW. Beasts.

I hope they pass the torch to Coogler on Avengers one day. Unless he does X-Men.

 

[honestbharani]

So please elaborate on why Winter Soldier or Civil War didn't shake up the Academy Awards like The Dark Knight. Is the Academy worthless? Were they right to exclude DKR from the Best Picture nominations and Heath Ledger got an undeserved Oscar due to tragic context?

For starters, the Academy Awards are not the be-all and end-all for judging how good the movies are, esp. when they are played to an international scale. They maybe be better than other awards as far as indicators go, but they are just that, indicators. And secondly, are you friggin' kidding me about Ledger's Oscar? He brought life and dimensions to a role that literally had none of it on the script. He was just an "agent of chaos". The movie works so much better simply BECAUSE of Ledger's unhinged performance and the seriousness he brought to the character when given so very little to work with from the script.

And as pointed out earlier, in any case, both TDKR and Spidey 3 were actual crapfests compared to their predecessors and the Russos trio of MCU movies so far.

 

[honestbharani]

Would the DOJ allow that? There are really only two major comic-book publishers, and that would give Disney a virtual monopoly.

Well, they allowed WWE to buy WCW back in the day. It depends on the situation but basically if WB wants to sell off DC and no one else wants to buy it, not even the DoJ can do anything to stop Disney or Marvel from buying them.

 

[Marvel united]

5 days left until we reach the endgame

 

[Darkprime]

5 days left until we reach the endgame

Does anyone know how much of a majority Murdoch needs for the merger to go through? I thought I read something like 40%?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Does anyone know how much of a majority Murdoch needs for the merger to go through? I thought I read something like 40%?

It’s really irrelevant at this point. With the offer that’s on the table, the vote is likely to be close to unanimous. If Comcast had a $90 billion offer, the vote might be interesting, but with the current situation, it should just be a matter of going through the motions.

 

[Dark Raven]

The countdown continues:

The 27th is a week away now.

Six days now until the meeting

5 days to go now until the shareholder's meeting:

 

[Big Bang]

Does anyone know how much of a majority Murdoch needs for the merger to go through? I thought I read something like 40%?

He has enough. Don't worry about it. The biggest shareholders are already backing it.

 

[WeaponXCII]

http://www.cbr.com/marvel-uncanny-x-men-return-november-2018-sdcc/

 

[Endeavor]

5:00 mark - actually it's worth watching the whole thing if you haven't seen it yet:

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Lol. That was great