The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 23

[Dark Raven]

Ok...
Constantin have been a passenger in this deal since around 1995 when they, with Marvel's agreement, signed over full control to Fox, as they clearly could not make an FF film remotely worthy of a theatrical release at that time.

In 1999 it was Fox, NOT Constantin, who got an extension as Fox had been dragging their heels and the reversion deadline was looming (this is why the rights did not revert although there was 12 years between the Constantin Corman effort and Fox's Story flick).

The only thing Constantin kept was a co-producer credit and distribution rights in Germany and I think Austria. Fox financed and controlled the films in full. If Fox had let deadline run out the rights would have reverted back to Marvel and Constantin couldn't have done a damn thing about it.

So now with Marvel buying that Fox contract, the FF rights will be home. It is possible Constantin might still have a claim for an 'in association with' credit under the terms agreed with Fox & Marvel back in the 90's, and maybe limited European distribution rights as before (although the latter might have been more of a courtesy than a legal requirement). If that is the case Disney can either let them keep that token gesture, cut them a check to piss off, or if they saw fit simply wait until the deadline runs out in 2022 and be done with them for good.

Whatever happens, the deals closes, the FF are home.

DigificWriter would beg to differ.

 

[Iceman]

Superhero fatigue!!!!

How many would it be without the curse of superhero fatigue? 8/10?

 

[Zarex]

It's ending anyway next season, but yes, they should own that show.

Gotham only aired on Fox. It's owned by Warner Brothers Worldwide Television, which landed a massive $1.75M per episode deal with Netflix before the show made its network debut. Deals like that were a major reason why networks began insisting on an ownership stake in new series.

https://deadline.com/2014/09/gotham-netflix-deal-826991/

 

[wobbly]

Gotham only aired on Fox. It's owned by Warner Brothers Worldwide Television, which landed a massive $1.75M per episode deal with Netflix before the show made its network debut. Deals like that were a major reason why networks began insisting on an ownership stake in new series.

https://deadline.com/2014/09/gotham-netflix-deal-826991/

I stand corrected, lol. So what about re-runs? The Fox network, however its absorbed into Disney, would still be able to air them?.

 

[Zarex]

I stand corrected, lol. So what about re-runs? The Fox network, however its absorbed into Disney, would still be able to air them?.

The Fox Network is moving to New Fox, so Disney won't have any rights to the show. Programs produced by 20th Century Fox TV, including Family Guy and Modern Family, will be owned by Disney.

 

[wobbly]

The Fox Network is moving to New Fox, so Disney won't have any rights to the show. Programs produced by 20th Century Fox TV, including Family Guy and Modern Family, will be owned by Disney.

Ah, got it. Thanks for correcting me there

 

[Darkprime]

DigificWriter would beg to differ.

Just ignore that guy. He knows nothing. Disney said they are coming home theyre coming home.

 

[TheVileOne]

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[Fallen]

Is there a way to embed tweets?
This forum needs a massive update.

Rob Liefeld:

https://***********/robertliefeld/status/1023693356839391233

SUNDAY WITH STAN! Well, my Saturday, but your Sunday. Let’s get right to it, how great does @therealstanlee look in this photo?? He’s doing really, really well, his own words actually. I had the pleasure of sitting with him yesterday for an extended period and it was a delight. My visiting him was something that I was fortunate to have been extended by Stan’s family and friends a few weeks back, I told them to let me know the morning of, in case Stan was too tired or not feeling up to it. I got the call Friday and then Saturday a.m. to come on over. When I saw Stan, my heart soared, his color was great and his eyes were wider than I’d seen them in quite some time. He was vibrant and spry. I told him that everyone would be thrilled to see how good he was doing. That’s when he said “I’m doing well, tell them I’m doing well.” He said “Can you believe I’m 95 years old, Rob? I’m still here at 95, who would have thought?” I told him how traveling with him a few years back opened my eyes to the tremendous energy and stamina he possessed. I look at him as I do my mom, but 20 years older, he’s amazing. We talked of his moving to L.A. in the 70’s to set up Marvel properties in film and tv. I informed him that Disney was bringing the Fox family of Marvel characters home, that they’d be reunited and he settled back in his chair and he smiled “Thank you for telling me that.” We talked of his working with educators in the 70’s to carry comics in libraries, how my vocabulary was improved by his writing all that jargon for all the scientists he created, Tony Stark, Reed Richards and Hank Pym. Stan expressed his love of Deadpool, especially the film. He said, “I can’t believe all the X-rated stuff he gets away with.” I told him, that’s all @vancityreynolds ???????????? We talked smart ass characters and how we’re all smart asses inside. I added that there is no Deadpool without Spider Man! There was much more, but the bottom line is, July 28, 2018, Stan was in great spirits and in great care. Thank you to Jon Bollerjack and the family for bringing me up. I was deeply moved and I’m so grateful to have shared time with him. #stanlee #marvel #spiderman #deadpool #robliefeld

 

[JeetKuneDo]

since Sony has no other successful franchises at the moment except for Spidey and arguably Jumanji, I could see Disney not offering money for the Spidey rights but instead some of the franchises purchased in the Fox deal, that don't fit their family friendly image

That's out of the box thinking there. I like it. Put Alien, Predator, Die Hard, and maybe Planet of the Apes in the deal. Or whatever combination makes sense box office potential wise.

Here's a random thought: What if Reed Richards was one of the people who was wiped out after the snap and after he comes back when everything is fixed in avengers 4 it makes him much more motivated to get a space program started to traverse the cosmos? That could serve as part of Reed's motivation to steal the spaceship because he notices leftover Infinity Stone radiation(replacing the 616 cosmic rays) on a microscope wants to go out and harness it or something but before he could do that the government decides to cut the funding for the space program. Reed is haunted by the devastating incident that wiped out half of humanity so much hes obsessed with getting access to the Infinity Stone energy leftover in space.

I like that too. Even when they bring most of the people back, the motivation would be the same for Reed.

 

[Raiden]

Is there a way to embed tweets?
This forum needs a massive update.

Rob Liefeld:

Didn't Rob Liefeld tweeted his displeasure about Disney acquiring Fox in the past?

 

[TheVileOne]

Didn't Rob Liefeld tweeted his displeasure about Disney acquiring Fox in the past?

Yes. I guess he changed his mind.

 

[Fallen]

Yes. I guess he changed his mind.

I wonder why .

 

[Marvel united]

I wonder why .

Because now he has no choice but to accept it

 

[Dark Raven]

Just ignore that guy. He knows nothing. Disney said they are coming home theyre coming home.

We don't want to ignore him. We want to laugh and gloat at him.

 

[shahrozhaider26]

So following three things are clear
1) Disney would keep its 39% stake in SKY as Iger himself mentioned. (so far no impression has been given that disney would want to sell its 395 stake)
2) Endemol's 50% stake is about to be sold. (Sony showed interest)
3) Fox' RSNs has to be sold after closing the deal. (Comcast showed interest in some RSNs)

How about following scenarios
1) Hulk, Namor and theme parks rights and HULU 30% stake: Comcast also is interested in RSNs. So what if disney make a deal with comcast to get HULU's 30% and give them some RSNs which comcast is legally allowed to buy. This can also include deal to get hulk and namor distribution rights and maybe theme park rights. Because universal has the theme park rights of Simpsons and they might wanna keep it that way.
2) Spider-Man: Sony showed interest in endemol 50% stake. what if disney does a deal to get spidey and sell endemol. Also, sony can too buy some RSNs.

Do you guys seriously think that aforementioned two scenarios can be played out?

 

[Silvermoth]

Is She-Hulk tied up with the Universal Hulk rights? I'd love a She-Hulk movie. I think it could do really well. Better than a solo Hulk film.

I strongly suspect that is the case. And what a shame! As well as she hulk I love and miss Leonard Samson.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah but me thinks Disney/Fox still wants Sky and I kind of expect them to bid again for it soon (now that the shareholder vote is done). Though Roberts isn’t going to lose out to Disney a second time.

After the extra they’ve had to pay for the Fox assets they should probably be wary of overpaying for Sky too, which they’d probably have to do to prize it from Roberts’ grasp.

 

[Iceman]

So following three things are clear
1) Disney would keep its 39% stake in SKY as Iger himself mentioned. (so far no impression has been given that disney would want to sell its 395 stake)
2) Endemol's 50% stake is about to be sold. (Sony showed interest)
3) Fox' RSNs has to be sold after closing the deal. (Comcast showed interest in some RSNs)

How about following scenarios
1) Hulk, Namor and theme parks rights and HULU 30% stake: Comcast also is interested in RSNs. So what if disney make a deal with comcast to get HULU's 30% and give them some RSNs which comcast is legally allowed to buy. This can also include deal to get hulk and namor distribution rights and maybe theme park rights. Because universal has the theme park rights of Simpsons and they might wanna keep it that way.
2) Spider-Man: Sony showed interest in endemol 50% stake. what if disney does a deal to get spidey and sell endemol. Also, sony can too buy some RSNs.

Do you guys seriously think that aforementioned two scenarios can be played out?

With Disney owning something that the other 2 want there has to be a possibility there at least.

 

[Xeno]

We don't want to ignore him. We want to laugh and gloat at him.

He's done a whole clueless comedy routine for anyone who needs a good laugh. After I signed off yesterday, "JDL" returned to expand on his earlier misinformation. Not only does he think that Constantin can shop the FF around, he's also convinced that Disney has to abide by the seven-year reboot rule that applied to Fox or lose the rights. And Disney can't use the FF in the MCU without Constantin's approval.

Spoiler

@LongMayHeReign -
1) You are not considering the conflict of interest which did not exist when the contract between Constantin & Fox was made. Legally that changes things. Constantin has the option of terminating if they want.

2) You are right about the contract not being invalidated simply because an outsider to the Constantin/Fox contract absorbed Fox as a continuing enterprise. The problem is the conflict of interest which is another matter altogether.

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"If Fox/Constain doesnt make a movie, they lose the rights... Do you think a Fox/Constantine F4-movie will happen before 2022...?"

Yes, imo Constantin will start something within the seven year window. It may be another Corman special but they will do something. YMMV.

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"And couldn't they still do a Fox/Constantin-F4 stil set in MCU? Disney owns Fox.."

If both parties agreed, yes. But again what makes you think Disney would agree ? The property is toxic for the foreseeable future so if you're Disney why not simply wait it out ? The only things Disney wants in the near future (imo) is the rogues gallery anyway.

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"Well is Disney is now Fox and Disney says no... does that mean Constantin can make a movie with someone else or will the rights revert back automatically to full Disney control?"

If Disney said no or if they mutually agreed to terminate the contract Constantin could go to someone else or for that matter do it their self and retain the rights with no problem.

The only sticky situation would occur is if Constantin wants to terminate and Disney refuses. That's the case where Constantin could allege a conflict of interest and (imo) win.

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@JonC - Disney gets Fox's rights to make non MCU F4 films as a contractor.

In order to make a MCU F4 film both Disney & Constantin would have to agree. Why would Disney give that up for nothing ? It's not like the Sony/Spidey case because the F4 villains have major MCU value while the Spidey villains don't. For that matter it can be argued that the F4 itself has more MCU value than does Spidey. These are very different situations.

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@LongMayHeReign - "But why would they do that when now they own Fox and all of Fox's contracts? They don't have to "poison" the IP to get absolute full control they could just wait as of right now if they wanted and Constantin can't do anything anyway."

OMFG. That is not the way it works. If they (Fox/Disney) decline to make a F4 film one of two things happens, depending on how the contract is worded. 1) They are in breach and they can be sued, they will lose, and the contract will be voided. or 2) Fox/Disney only has the right of first refusal. If they decline Constantin can get someone else to make it.

"The real fact of the matter though is that it is highly unlikely that Iger would even speak about the F4 at all if he did not make a deal that gives Marvel Studios full control."

I disagree. It came up in an interview and he said as little as he could get away with. Saying nothing was not an option.

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@LongMayHeReign - Dude the opportunity to make a F4 MCU film has existed as long as the MCU has existed. What has changed is that before it took three parties to agree and now it takes only two. The thing is there very little reason for Disney to do a deal. All they have to do is wait for the IP to lapse.

There is NO way that Disney's deal with Fox removes any need to have to deal with Constantin. They still own the IP. And like I keep saying Disney can still make a non MCU F4 film so yeah technically Disney did acquire part of a property but they DO NOT TRULY CONTROL IT, Constantin does. Now if Disney makes a deal with Constantin it's clear sailin' but none has been reported to date. Now do you understand ?

The posts I quoted are long and crazy, but you said you wanted to have fun.

 

[Marvel united]

I'm guessing that is the Digific Writer everybody talks about t:

 

[babykhris]

So following three things are clear
1) Disney would keep its 39% stake in SKY as Iger himself mentioned. (so far no impression has been given that disney would want to sell its 395 stake)
2) Endemol's 50% stake is about to be sold. (Sony showed interest)
3) Fox' RSNs has to be sold after closing the deal. (Comcast showed interest in some RSNs)

How about following scenarios
1) Hulk, Namor and theme parks rights and HULU 30% stake: Comcast also is interested in RSNs. So what if disney make a deal with comcast to get HULU's 30% and give them some RSNs which comcast is legally allowed to buy. This can also include deal to get hulk and namor distribution rights and maybe theme park rights. Because universal has the theme park rights of Simpsons and they might wanna keep it that way.
2) Spider-Man: Sony showed interest in endemol 50% stake. what if disney does a deal to get spidey and sell endemol. Also, sony can too buy some RSNs.

Do you guys seriously think that aforementioned two scenarios can be played out?

I believe a lot of deals like this are going to happen.Disney/FOX have tons of things Universal can use including the back catalogue of both DreamWorks and DreamWorks Animation.

Disney/FOX can then trade for the following
Hulk and Namor rights (including the Bill Bixby Hulk series and Ed Norton TIH)
Marvel theme park rights
Universal stake in Hulu
Howard the Duck film


Sony can acquire FOX franchises for Spider Man

 

[wobbly]

I'm guessing that is the Digific Writer everybody talks about t:

Sounds a lot like him. They were saying the same sort of things here after FFINO.

 

[Dark Raven]

He's done a whole clueless comedy routine for anyone who needs a good laugh. After I signed off yesterday, "JDL" returned to expand on his earlier misinformation. Not only does he think that Constantin can shop the FF around, he's also convinced that Disney has to abide by the seven-year reboot rule that applied to Fox or lose the rights. And Disney can't use the FF in the MCU without Constantin's approval.

Spoiler

@LongMayHeReign -
1) You are not considering the conflict of interest which did not exist when the contract between Constantin & Fox was made. Legally that changes things. Constantin has the option of terminating if they want.

2) You are right about the contract not being invalidated simply because an outsider to the Constantin/Fox contract absorbed Fox as a continuing enterprise. The problem is the conflict of interest which is another matter altogether.

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"If Fox/Constain doesnt make a movie, they lose the rights... Do you think a Fox/Constantine F4-movie will happen before 2022...?"

Yes, imo Constantin will start something within the seven year window. It may be another Corman special but they will do something. YMMV.

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"And couldn't they still do a Fox/Constantin-F4 stil set in MCU? Disney owns Fox.."

If both parties agreed, yes. But again what makes you think Disney would agree ? The property is toxic for the foreseeable future so if you're Disney why not simply wait it out ? The only things Disney wants in the near future (imo) is the rogues gallery anyway.

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"Well is Disney is now Fox and Disney says no... does that mean Constantin can make a movie with someone else or will the rights revert back automatically to full Disney control?"

If Disney said no or if they mutually agreed to terminate the contract Constantin could go to someone else or for that matter do it their self and retain the rights with no problem.

The only sticky situation would occur is if Constantin wants to terminate and Disney refuses. That's the case where Constantin could allege a conflict of interest and (imo) win.

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@JonC - Disney gets Fox's rights to make non MCU F4 films as a contractor.

In order to make a MCU F4 film both Disney & Constantin would have to agree. Why would Disney give that up for nothing ? It's not like the Sony/Spidey case because the F4 villains have major MCU value while the Spidey villains don't. For that matter it can be argued that the F4 itself has more MCU value than does Spidey. These are very different situations.

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@LongMayHeReign - "But why would they do that when now they own Fox and all of Fox's contracts? They don't have to "poison" the IP to get absolute full control they could just wait as of right now if they wanted and Constantin can't do anything anyway."

OMFG. That is not the way it works. If they (Fox/Disney) decline to make a F4 film one of two things happens, depending on how the contract is worded. 1) They are in breach and they can be sued, they will lose, and the contract will be voided. or 2) Fox/Disney only has the right of first refusal. If they decline Constantin can get someone else to make it.

"The real fact of the matter though is that it is highly unlikely that Iger would even speak about the F4 at all if he did not make a deal that gives Marvel Studios full control."

I disagree. It came up in an interview and he said as little as he could get away with. Saying nothing was not an option.

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@LongMayHeReign - Dude the opportunity to make a F4 MCU film has existed as long as the MCU has existed. What has changed is that before it took three parties to agree and now it takes only two. The thing is there very little reason for Disney to do a deal. All they have to do is wait for the IP to lapse.

There is NO way that Disney's deal with Fox removes any need to have to deal with Constantin. They still own the IP. And like I keep saying Disney can still make a non MCU F4 film so yeah technically Disney did acquire part of a property but they DO NOT TRULY CONTROL IT, Constantin does. Now if Disney makes a deal with Constantin it's clear sailin' but none has been reported to date. Now do you understand ?

The posts I quoted are long and crazy, but you said you wanted to have fun.

Thanks. He sounds like a tool.

Iger and Feige are going to be thwarted by the evil Constantin because they never thought things through.

I'd love for him to be telling them that FF is not coming home.

I'm guessing that is the Digific Writer everybody talks about t:

Yeah sounds like him. Shame you two never got to meet.

 

[Darkprime]

I hope Feige goes on stage at comic con 2019 and confirms that xmen and f4 are officially home.