The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[OB12]

I tend to think the first quarter of 2019 is going to be pretty interesting. I expect a lot of news to come out of the Disney/Fox acquisition and then with Disney+ starting up, there is going to be announcements regarding new content. Whether or not we get any clarity on the Defenders remains to be seen.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I doubt we'll get any clarity on that front. Only way we would is if they announce the shows going to Hulu/FX. They wouldn't announce a cameo/supporting role in a movie like that and recasting wouldn't happen that soon.

 

[OB12]

True, they will at least wait until JJ and Punisher get cancelled after their release and JJ probably won't debut until March/April.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Statement by Marvel:

Marvel Promises More Daredevil “Adventures” After Netflix Cancellation

Marvel is extremely grateful to the huge audience that loved Marvel’s Daredevil. From the moment of young Matt’s first act of heroism to the birth of Page, Murdock, & Nelson, it has been a unbelievable journey. We are incredibly proud of the amazing showrunners and writers starting with Drew Goddard and Steven DeKnight, Marco Ramirez and Doug Petrie and Erik Oleson, Charlie Cox, Deborah Ann Woll, Elden Henson, Vincent D’Onofrio and our casts who brought our characters to life with such excellence, and every one of the fantastic crews in NYC. We look forward to more adventures with the Man without Fear in the future.

Sounds to me like Charlie Cox will return!!! I hope at least, lol. This basically says Daredevil will return. But given they specifically state how proud they are of it, I imagine it will be same cast.

Marvel didn't make a statement like this for IF or LC. Not that I remember at least.

 

[Marvel united]

To me that reads more as "Don't worry, Daredevil will return. This isn't the last you've seen of him" I don't see Cox or anybody else coming to the MCU. New Daredevil realized by Feige himself and not somebody else. If anything, this makes me believe a reboot is even more likely. Because this show is not going to be the end of Matt Murdock in live action, with or without Cox.

 

[Spider-Fan]

To me that reads more as "Don't worry, Daredevil will return. This isn't the last you've seen of him" I don't see Cox or anybody else coming to the MCU. New Daredevil realized by Feige himself and not somebody else. If anything, this makes me believe a reboot is even more likely. Because this show is not going to be the end of Matt Murdock in live action, with or without Cox.

This reads to me if Cox doesn't return, it is a recast like Norton to Rufallo. Not a whole new continuity. But I don't remember them making this type of statement after IF or LC, so I am hopeful it means Cox and co will stay on.

 

[Detective Conan]

Another Daredevil Movie From Marvel Is Reportedly "Unlikely"

 

[Marvel united]

This reads to me if Cox doesn't return, it is a recast like Norton to Rufallo. Not a whole new continuity. But I don't remember them making this type of statement after IF or LC, so I am hopeful it means Cox and co will stay on.

That's what me and a couple of other people have been saying all along. If it's not Cox and it's a new actor, Marvel will just pretend the show never happened (like they've been doing) and introduce a fully formed Daredevil into the MCU. Soft-reboot style ala Ruffalo

Another Daredevil Movie From Marvel Is Reportedly "Unlikely"

Good thing unlikely doesn't mean certainty. But even then, nobody was expecting Daredevil to get another movie. Him appearing in the MCU as a supporting character, however? Completely different story.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That's what me and a couple of other people have been saying all along. If it's not Cox and it's a new actor, Marvel will just pretend the show never happened (like they've been doing) and introduce a fully formed Daredevil into the MCU. Soft-reboot style ala Ruffalo

Good thing unlikely doesn't mean certainty. But even then, nobody was expecting Daredevil to get another movie. Him appearing in the MCU as a supporting character, however? Completely different story.

But they don't pretend TIH never happened. My guess is if he was recast, he would reference his origin and such but maybe not exact events in the show. But again, if you're going for an established DD anyway, no reason not to use Cox. He's shown as an actor, he can hold his own. Even against powerhouse performances.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't see why they can't reuse Cox even if he is somewhat rebooted for the movies.

There were tons of Dracula films in the 70s starring Christopher Lee. None of them were sequels to each other or even connected. He died at the end of all of them. It's not like he was even brought back. These were all separate films which happened to star Christopher Lee as the main character.

They can get Charlie Cox back as DD and Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin even if they don't acknowledge the Netflix series.

In Casino Royale, Judi Dench plays M again. Is she the same M as in the Brosnan years? She doesn't seem to be at all. She's just played by the same actress. They can do the same with Cox and D'Onofrio.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. Cox is every bit as good as Matt Murdock as the vast majority of the MCU cast are in their respective roles in the movies. Just use him. Same for Fisk. They cannot do better.

 

[BoredGuy]

To me that reads more as "Don't worry, Daredevil will return. This isn't the last you've seen of him" I don't see Cox or anybody else coming to the MCU. New Daredevil realized by Feige himself and not somebody else. If anything, this makes me believe a reboot is even more likely. Because this show is not going to be the end of Matt Murdock in live action, with or without Cox.

If they try to recast Kingpin

I F****ING RIOT

 

[OB12]

The Incredible Hulk would be the right way to handle these properties if they are to be more tightly integrated. Jump right in with the character with previous events lightly referenced. That said, I don't know see the need to re-cast like Norton to Ruffalo, since these actors don't have an apparent beef with Marvel Studios like Norton did.

 

[Iceman]

I don't see why they can't reuse Cox even if he is somewhat rebooted for the movies.

There were tons of Dracula films in the 70s starring Christopher Lee. None of them were sequels to each other or even connected. He died at the end of all of them. It's not like he was even brought back. These were all separate films which happened to star Christopher Lee as the main character.

They can get Charlie Cox back as DD and Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin even if they don't acknowledge the Netflix series.

In Casino Royale, Judi Dench plays M again. Is she the same M as in the Brosnan years? She doesn't seem to be at all. She's just played by the same actress. They can do the same with Cox and D'Onofrio.

Exactly what I want. Lift anything good they want to take from the Netflix shows while ignoring the bad, and then add their own good stuff into the mix. I hope they reemploy some of the fantastic behind the scenes Daredevil team and at least take a look at those season 4 plans that they went to all that effort to produce. There might be something they want to use within that or it might help with future ideas. Certainly shouldn't let it go to waste in any case.

 

[Iceman]

The Incredible Hulk would be the right way to handle these properties if they are to be more tightly integrated. Jump right in with the character with previous events lightly referenced. That said, I don't know see the need to re-cast like Norton to Ruffalo, since these actors don't have an apparent beef with Marvel Studios like Norton did.

I hope they keep Cox, D'Onofrio, Bernthal, Ritter and Missick for a start.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I hope they keep Cox, D'Onofrio, Bernthal, Ritter and Missick for a start.

Good list!

 

[Dark Raven]

It's not like it's even going to cause any confusion. It's not like actors in Fox Marvel movies being reused for MCU movies. Cox and D'Onofrio were already part of Marvel.

And even if there were some confusion, I would argue that the value of having them back to star as their respective characters in the movies would override and outweigh any sense of potential confusion. In other words, we'll live with and get over any confusion but would rejoice in having them back.

 

[OB12]

I'd be willing to keep everyone, even Finn Jones, who I think suffered more from poor writing than anything else.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope they keep Cox, D'Onofrio, Bernthal, Ritter and Missick for a start.

I hope they also keep Finn Jones, Mike Colter and... yeah... no.

 

[Marvel united]

But they don't pretend TIH never happened. My guess is if he was recast, he would reference his origin and such but maybe not exact events in the show. But again, if you're going for an established DD anyway, no reason not to use Cox. He's shown as an actor, he can hold his own. Even against powerhouse performances.

They only ever vaguely reference TIH in The Avengers. It's not until a couple of years later when they bring back Willian Hurt as Ross that we get the first concrete sign that TIH still matters to Marvel. Is it it a coincidence that Hulk was distributed by Universal? Nope. That's partly why Disney has ignored it so vehemently. Ditto for Netflix Daredevil.

Feige was not involved in any way at all with the casting of Charlie Cox. He may have someone else in mind for the role. It's the same thing as Michael Fassbender as Magneto or McAvoy as Charles -- neither is coming to the MCU regardless of whether they are playing rebooted versions of Charles and Erik and regardless of how well they fit their characters.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They only ever vaguely reference TIH in the The Avengers. It's not until a couple of years later when they bring back Willian Hurt as Ross that we get concrete sign that TIH still matters to Marvel. Is it it a coincidence that Hulk was distributed by Universal? Nope. That's partly why Disney has ignored it so vehemently. Ditto for Netflix Daredevil.

Feige was not involved in any way with the casting of Charlie Cox. He may have someone else in mind for the role. It's the same thing as Michael Fassbender as Magneto or McAvoy as Charles -- neither is coming to the MCU regardless of whether they are playing rebooted versions of Charles and Erik..

No it isn't the same at all. They live in a universe that cannot marry with the MCU, while Cox and co already are supposed to be in it. The difference is night and day. Hulk was only distributed by Universal because they have the rights. But they still acknowledge the movie. That is what referencing a movie is called: acknowledging it happened.

 

[OB12]

No it isn't the same at all. They live in a universe that cannot marry with the MCU, while Cox and co already are supposed to be in it. The difference is night and day. Hulk was only distributed by Universal because they have the rights. But they still acknowledge the movie. That is what referencing a movie is called: acknowledging it happened.

Exactly. In this situation they just need to figure out what medium to use the characters, there is nothing contradictory about their stories because they have been developed with the MCU in mind. You can't say the same about the convoluted mess of the Fox Marvel characters.

 

[Detective Conan]

Good thing unlikely doesn't mean certainty. But even then, nobody was expecting Daredevil to get another movie. Him appearing in the MCU as a supporting character, however? Completely different story.

So you essentially want the character to be treated like The Hulk then? Well that’s fine if you want that but I’d take a great television show any day of the week over him just making a couple of appearances in the movies so he can team up with other characters in the MCU. That’s not where the appeal of the Daredevil character lies for me and many others. Don’t think the character really adds much to the MCU besides a few fanservicey team-ups.

 

[Dark Raven]

No it isn't the same at all. They live in a universe that cannot marry with the MCU, while Cox and co already are supposed to be in it. The difference is night and day. Hulk was only distributed by Universal because they have the rights. But they still acknowledge the movie. That is what referencing a movie is called: acknowledging it happened.

For Civil War, the Russo brothers even said they somewhat rebooted Thunderbolt Ross. He's no longer this army general. He's the US secretary of state. He doesn't mention his daughter Betty at all or the events of the TIH. But they still used the same actor in a rebooted way.

They can do that with Cox and D'Onforio. If they want to make them a little more kid friendly, then that's fine. We don't need to have the first confrontation between Spidey and Kingpin being where Spidey says "So, I heard you squashed someone's head in a car door."

They can ignore all of that. It's not like it holds him back from being used in the movies. I cannot see anyone better than D'Onofrio. Even facially, he looks perfect for the part. And he's also a movie calibre actor.

 

[Spider-Fan]

For Civil War, the Russo brothers even said they somewhat rebooted Thunderbolt Ross. He's no longer this army general. He's the US secretary of state. He doesn't mention his daughter Betty at all or the events of the TIH. But they still used the same actor in a rebooted way.

They can do that with Cox and D'Onforio. If they want to make them a little more kid friendly, then that's fine. We don't need to have the first confrontation between Spidey and Kingpin being where Spidey says "So, I heard you squashed someone's head in a car door."

They can ignore all of that. It's not like it holds him back from being used in the movies. I cannot see anyone better than D'Onofrio. Even facially, he looks perfect for the part. And he's also a movie calibre actor.

Agreed, and Cox was able to match him so that shows me he can act opposite a powerhouse performance. You can keep the same characters and hint at Matt and Fisk if they crossed paths in a movie having a past without mentioning exact show events. Daredevil doesn't have to say "Hey, I was crushed by a building stopping some earthquakes caused by dragon bones!!!" He can just exist as Charlie Cox's version, already a lawyer by day and vigilante by night. Heck, you can even have him in a new costume since he abandoned the old one!!! There is no reason it cannot work.