The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't see that happening. At this time, Marvel films in theaters are way too profitable. They're making 600+ WW on basically every movie they make, so I don't see them forgoing all that potential profit. Not at least until such time as these movies make less theatrically.

I could maybe see "movies" that are similar to what some tv shows do on occasion. Movies that are basically just long episodes of the show. Timeless just had one. So an Agents of Shield movie or something similar is possible. Definitely nothing that is cinema quality or budget though.

 

[Iceman]

Think more that it will be the only place to watch the films if you didn't go the cinema.

It will be nice having a digital place where you can watch any of it, wherever you are.

 

[Fallen]

SEVEN of the top 10 highest-grossing movies of 2018 are superhero movies .

 

[Art Freak]

But...but...superhero fatigue.

And Tom Terrific and his IMFers are basically superheroes. Really only Freddy Mercury is the outlier.

 

[Xeno]

My take on Namor would be Post Apocalyptic Aquaman. The Sub Mariner used to rule over a vast, sprawling high tech undersea kingdom. But A Bomb testing in the 1950s destroyed Atlantis, and Mr. McKenzie lost his memory and nearly his life. It's all coming back to him now, and he is not happy. IMPERIUS REX!

In other words, you would base Namor, The Sub-Mariner on Fantastic Four #4. Great idea!

 

[Xeno]

But...but...superhero fatigue.

And Tom Terrific and his IMFers are basically superheroes. Really only Freddy Mercury is the outlier.

You must be mistaken. Freddy is the only real superhero on that list.

 

[Xeno]

I know word was the tv department was going to be moving in house with marvel studios.

I think it's more apt to say that Marvel Studios is starting to develop its own TV shows for the Disney+ service that will be totally separate from Jeph Loeb's cobwebbed corner. Feige will control the Disney+ MCU shows with no input from Marvel Entertainment. Presumably, the Loeb/Perlmutter axis of evil will continue as is.

 

[Zarex]

In other words, you would base Namor, The Sub-Mariner on Fantastic Four #4. Great idea!

Basically, yeah. Post Aquaman it's best to avoid Atlantis and Stan and Jack already created the template. But I would go with Namor as Byrne era business tycoon rather than homeless dude.

 

[Lilbaz]

SEVEN of the top 10 highest-grossing movies of 2018 are superhero movies .

Tbh i think that's bad. Love superhero films but there needs to be more blockbusters of quality that people like.

 

[Xeno]

Poor fella

At least he got to direct an actual big franchise Hollywood movie, that’s more than I bet he ever expected would happen.

Word was that Kinberg directed at least half of Fant4stic after Trank flamed out. Everything after the "One Year Later" card was supposedly his work. There is also a rumor that Simple Simon stepped in behind the camera for portions of Age of Apocalypse because Bryan Singer disappeared for days at a time during filming, just as he did on Bohemian Rhapsody. Both stories were denied, of course (DGA rules being what they are), but are almost certainly true.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Word was that Kinberg directed at least half of Fant4stic after Trank flamed out. Everything after the "One Year Later" card was supposedly his work. There is also a rumor that Simple Simon stepped in behind the camera for portions of Age of Apocalypse because Bryan Singer disappeared for days at a time during filming, just as he did on Bohemian Rhapsody. Both stories were denied, of course (DGA rules being what they are), but are almost certainly true.

oh man, if all that is true....

we just gotta grit our teeth through dark phoenix and then hopefully its all smooth sailing from there on out

 

[Xeno]

Basically, yeah. Post Aquaman it's best to avoid Atlantis and Stan and Jack already created the template. But I would go with Namor as Byrne era business tycoon rather than homeless dude.

How would an amnesiac with no resources, no resume and no (non-Atlantean) education become a business leader, though? Namor is brilliant, of course, but he had no knowledge of the way commerce in the surface world worked even when he had his memories intact. It's hard for me to buy that angle.

On the other hand, a displaced Namor with no memory of his underwater life makes dramatic sense for a post-apocalyptic Atlantis. He needn't have been wandering the streets for decades, as in his first Silver Age appearance. But it would be easier to see how Namor could end up wounded and stranded on land after a rogue weapons test or the dumping of nuclear waste in the ocean destroyed Atlantis. Namor's rage and lust for revenge would make him a very sympathetic figure, a la Eric Killmonger. The Sub-Mariner is more of an antihero than a villain when his justified grievances are fairly explored.

 

[Dark Raven]

But...but...superhero fatigue.

And Tom Terrific and his IMFers are basically superheroes. Really only Freddy Mercury is the outlier.

He's Bohemiman.

 

[Xeno]

Tbh i think that's bad. Love superhero films but there needs to be more blockbusters of quality that people like.

Why is it bad? Out of the 600 or so movies released this year, only seven were superhero films. The big studios tried to launch other blockbusters that didn't feature superheroes but failed miserably. This year The Mortal Engines, A Wrinkle In Time, The Darkest Minds, Solo, Nutcracker and the Four Realms and Robin Hood were all big-budget flops. Most of these films weren't great but the studios at least tried (and failed) to offer a variety of blockbusters.

 

[Lilbaz]

Why is it bad? Out of the 600 or so movies released this year, only seven were superhero films. The big studios tried to launch other blockbusters that didn't feature superheroes but failed miserably. This year The Mortal Engines, A Wrinkle In Time, The Darkest Minds, Solo, Nutcracker and the Four Realms and Robin Hood were all big-budget flops. Most of these films weren't great but the studios at least tried (and failed) to offer a variety of blockbusters.

They were flops cause they were crap. I love super hero films otherwise i wouldn't be on this site. But they need to make better quality blockbuster films of other genres.

 

[Zarex]

How would an amnesiac with no resources, no resume and no (non-Atlantean) education become a business leader, though? Namor is brilliant, of course, but he had no knowledge of the way commerce in the surface world worked even when he had his memories intact. It's hard for me to buy that angle.

On the other hand, a displaced Namor with no memory of his underwater life makes dramatic sense for a post-apocalyptic Atlantis. He needn't have been wandering the streets for decades, as in his first Silver Age appearance. But it would be easier to see how Namor could end up wounded and stranded on land after a rogue weapons test or the dumping of nuclear waste in the ocean destroyed Atlantis. Namor's rage and lust for revenge would make him a very sympathetic figure, a la Eric Killmonger. The Sub-Mariner is more of an antihero than a villain when his justified grievances are fairly explored.

I wouldn't see a drifter without resources as a particular threat to anyone, even a fella with sturdy ankle wings. He's going to need backing in order to be a threat to either the FF or T'Challa, and with Atlantis off the table he needs a replacement. Perhaps Namor rose from the shelter to the penthouse over the decades. But I think ruthless businessman is a good role for Mr. McKenzie.

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

I keep trying to pray it off, but I have this deep, sinking feeling that Disney will ask Beyonce Knowles-Carter to be Ororo Munroe. Doesn’t help that The Lion King 2019 will inevitably be a blockbuster.

 

[Abudefduf]

I wouldn't worry. The chances that Beyoncé would accept to sign a 6 movie deal with Marvel are extremely low.

 

[Raiden]

SEVEN of the top 10 highest-grossing movies of 2018 are superhero movies .

Both Deadpool 2 and Venom aren't MCU movies but they're still part of Marvel. So Marvel technically occupies 5 of the top 10 list.

 

[Shuri]

I keep trying to pray it off, but I have this deep, sinking feeling that Disney will ask Beyonce Knowles-Carter to be Ororo Munroe. Doesn’t help that The Lion King 2019 will inevitably be a blockbuster.

Not going to happen.

 

[babykhris]

I keep trying to pray it off, but I have this deep, sinking feeling that Disney will ask Beyonce Knowles-Carter to be Ororo Munroe. Doesn’t help that The Lion King 2019 will inevitably be a blockbuster.

Disney has let Marvel basically do what they want. Remember when everyone said Marvel films would have nothing but Disney Channel actors when the merger happened? Still waiting on that

 

[Dark Raven]

Disney has let Marvel basically do what they want. Remember when everyone said Marvel films would have nothing but Disney Channel actors when the merger happened? Still waiting on that

We did get Zendaya and Dove Cameron.

I wouldn't mind some Disney actors though. Depends on who they are and which roles.

 

[Xeno]

I keep trying to pray it off, but I have this deep, sinking feeling that Disney will ask Beyonce Knowles-Carter to be Ororo Munroe. Doesn’t help that The Lion King 2019 will inevitably be a blockbuster.

Disney doesn't cast Marvel's films. Feige, Sarah Finn and the directors make those decisions. They have done a great job so far. With Marvel minting money for the Mouse, Disney isn't about to start meddling now.

(If Iger forces Marvel to cast Mr. & Mrs. Blunt-Krasinski and Lily James all of a sudden, I'll take it all back. )

 

[Xeno]

I wouldn't see a drifter without resources as a particular threat to anyone, even a fella with sturdy ankle wings. He's going to need backing in order to be a threat to either the FF or T'Challa, and with Atlantis off the table he needs a replacement. Perhaps Namor rose from the shelter to the penthouse over the decades. But I think ruthless businessman is a good role for Mr. McKenzie.

Atlantis wouldn't be gone; like Asgard, it's a people, not a place. Back in 1962, it had only been partially destroyed (or an outpost was), while most of the populace had survived the city's destruction and moved to another site. In the panels I posted, Namor said that his people had dispersed and he couldn't find them in the vastness of the ocean. Eventually, he found Atlantis and fought that wretched jerk Atuma, but that came later. The point is that Namor would retake the throne sometime after regaining his memories and have the Atlantean army at his back for his war on the surface world.

Namor also has a bunch of deep sea monstrosities he can command to wreak havoc on ports and maritime traffic. With his powers, he could do a lot of damage on his own.

 

[Dark Raven]

If they got Scott Buck to do Namor, it would definitely be different to Aquaman. For starters, it would never be set underwater. Namor would be exiled and, as an amnesiac, would've forgotten how to swim.

If he did get in the water eventually, he would need to take baby steps, so they could just film in the shallow end of the local swimming pool.