The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[Spider-Fan]

Jeph Loeb hints the Netflix Marvel characters can continue in his letter:

Our Network partner may have decided they no longer want to continue telling the tales of these great characters… but you know Marvel better than that.

As Matthew Murdock’s Dad once said, “The measure of a man is not how he gets knocked to the mat, it’s how he gets back up.”

To be continued…!”

I hope this happens Truly I do. But we'll just have to wait and see how this develops in 2 years time. I think Daredevil's acclaim, the petitions, and the vocality of its cast certainly help its case for return. But we'll just have to see how Marvel decides to play it.

 

[HBarnill]

Stop being a dick, Feige!

 

[Spider-Fan]

Please for the love of god don’t bring Finn Jones.

Finn Jones and Mike Colter can be recast and I wouldn't care. But I feel like Cox, Berthal, and D'Onofrio all are MUST keeps. You simply won't do better. I would like to see Ritter stay on, as well. I like her quite a bit in the role.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Maybe Tom Holland can convince Feige that his pal Bernthal should be in the movies

That would be cool

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Just make spider-man 3 a teamup with DD and Punisher to take on the Sinister Six, personally financed by Wilson Fisk of course

 

[Marvel united]

I could see feige wanting this if they integrate those characters into marvel studios because he didn't have a hand in shaping their shows, but I hope they become an exception.

DD, Punisher, Cage and the rest are all pretty great in their own right. They all deserve a shot on the big screen.

Right, it's not that disimilar to the FoX-Men situation. The Netflix vision for these characters may not be FEIGE'S vision and that's why they should adjust accordingly.

I'd love to see Luke Cage and Daredevil join the New Avengers team. A Heroes for Hire spinoff on Disney+ with guest appearances from Spider-Man. Elektra and the Hand in the MCU proper. Bullseye in the Thunderbolts/Dark Avengers etc

 

[Marvel united]

I am not saying don't integrate them period. I am saying integrate them in their current form. That is what I want, and I think it is what we wanted from the beginning. So give the fans what we want. These versions already were built to live/exist in the MCU, unlike the Fox X-Men. So less need for a reboot.

But we've been through this debate, though.

Their current forms may be too grounded and incompatible with the MCU proper. The best case scenario is all of them showing up with new costumes and vague references to the Nettlix show. Coulter, Jones and Ritter should be recast and assimilated into the MCU as supporting characters.

Cox Is a bigger question mark but I won't be angry if Feige decides to recast him. It's his vision after all. Ditto for Bethal and D'Onofrio.

Punisher I don't see having a future with the MCU unless Marvel moves forward with the R-Rated idea. Otherwise, we'll get a PG-13 Punisher

 

[Spider-Fan]

Their current forms may be too grounded and incompatible with the MCU proper. The best case scenario is all of them showing up with new costumes and vague references to the Nettlix show. Coulter, Jones and Ritter should be recast and assimilated into the MCU as supporting characters.

Cox Is a bigger question mark but I won't be angry if Feige decides to recast him. It's his vision after all. Ditto for Bethal and D'Onofrio.

Punisher I don't see having a future with the MCU unless Marvel moves forward with the R-Rated idea. Otherwise, we'll get a PG-13 Punisher

I don't agree. Look at Captain America: The Winter Soldier. These characters would have easily fit into that in tone/style in a team-up setting. The MCU does make more grounded films than others. Not everything the MCU does is Thor: Ragnarok levels of zany. The only difference would be we won't see bones come out of people's arms anymore. I would prefer Daredevil remain a harder show myself, but I am willing to accept something more in tone with TWS as a compromise to keep this version around, and I still think if they did it Charlie Cox's version would fit seemlessly. After all, we find ways to keep Captain America and Thor in movies together, yet their tones are vastly different.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Their powers have generally been consistent with their comic counter-parts and those comic book characters interact with the other Marvel characters in the comics.

I think the biggest problem is characters like Iron Fist and Power-Man haven't used their powers much (because budgets and writing and lack of super-powered opponents haven't allowed them to), but when they have demonstrated powers, they've been impressive and consistent with the comics, and they should be able to hang with the big boys. It's just about writing and using them properly.

Black Widow and Hawkeye might be considered "street level" in terms of abilities, but they're full-on Avengers. And give us a fight between Luke Cage and Steve Rodgers, and Luke should be able to hold his own.

 

[Iceman]

Just make spider-man 3 a teamup with DD and Punisher to take on the Sinister Six, personally financed by Wilson Fisk of course

If Bernthal is involved the S6 won’t even turn up!

 

[Marvel united]

I don't agree. Look at Captain America: The Winter Soldier. These characters would have easily fit into that in tone/style in a team-up setting. The MCU does make more grounded films than others. Not everything the MCU does is Thor: Ragnarok levels of zany. The only difference would be we won't see bones come out of people's arms anymore. I would prefer Daredevil remain a harder show myself, but I am willing to accept something more in tone with TWS as a compromise to keep this version around, and I still think if they did it Charlie Cox's version would fit seemlessly. After all, we find ways to keep Captain America and Thor in movies together, yet their tones are vastly different.

Well, I mean in terms of tone and aesthetic. TWS was definitely more "gritty" than previous MCU films but I'm not sure if I'd say they were as grounded as the Daredevil, Luke or Jessica Jones shows. You still have guys with cybernetic arms, guys with wings flying around and Helicarries. You'd never see that in Luke Cage. The Netflix universe at this point seems so far disconnected from the main MCU that they may as well be different universes.

It would be nice if these characters could get an "upgrade" per say for the MCU. Imagine what Daredevil and Luke Cage could look like on a 100m dollar budget. I'd imagine the former having the acrobatics of Spider-Man and the latter's power display being closer to Hancock or Man of Steel as opposed to obvious wire work

 

[Spider-Fan]

Well, I mean in terms of tone and aesthetic. TWS was definitely more "gritty" than previous MCU films but I'm not sure if I'd say they were as grounded as the Daredevil, Luke or Jessica Jones shows. You still have guys with cybernetic arms, guys with wings flying around and Helicarries. You'd never see that in Luke Cage. The Netflix universe at this point seems so far disconnected from the main MCU that they may as well be different universes.

It would be nice if these characters could get an "upgrade" per say for the MCU. Imagine what Daredevil and Luke Cage could look like on a 100m dollar budget. I'd imagine the former having the acrobatics of Spider-Man and the latter's power display being closer to Hancock or Man of Steel as opposed to obvious wire work

By that same token, Daredevil had a dude last season who could ricochet a baton off the ground into someone's face. It also has ninjas. I think the DD universe is more eccentric than we credit it. Heck, even in the Cap films, Zemo has no costume, Batroc was made far more grounded, etc.

I don't think DD needs a 100m budget. I think you can make a great DD movie for like 75m easily and it will look fine and do everything a DD needs to do. He's not someone who requires a Spider-Man budget for example. Honestly, the Netflix universe doesn't feel like another world to me. It feels like Marvel. Maybe Marvel on the cheap when you look at Luke and Danny and some extra $$$ can do them some good, but especially Daredevil feels right at home.

 

[Dark Raven]

Finn Jones and Mike Colter can be recast and I wouldn't care. But I feel like Cox, Berthal, and D'Onofrio all are MUST keeps. You simply won't do better. I would like to see Ritter stay on, as well. I like her quite a bit in the role.

Agree there. Especially D'Onofrio who is also a movie calibre actor. They will not get anyone else who is such a great physical match and has the acting chops. What other actor can you think of who embodies Wilson Fisk?

I don't care about Finn Jones and Mike Colter. They were boring. Feige can just say they were Actors for Hire, and now they're unhired.

 

[Darkprime]

well thats some sad news to wake up to damn it. Even though we all knew it was coming. Hopefully Disney closes the Fox deal soon. Need some good news. With these cancellations has Netflix burned a bridge with Marvel? I doubt Marvel will want to work with them again which is a shame.

 

[Dark Raven]

Look at this trailer for Marvel Universe Live



It has Iron Fist in his comic accurate costume looking more like a superhero than he ever did in his own TV series. He definitely needs to go more fantastical.

 

[Shuri]

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I could see feige wanting this if they integrate those characters into marvel studios because he didn't have a hand in shaping their shows, but I hope they become an exception.

DD, Punisher, Cage and the rest are all pretty great in their own right. They all deserve a shot on the big screen.

Love that you omitted Iron fist .

Just saw "the rest", I'll still leave it like this.

 

[Dark Raven]

Please for the love of god don’t bring Finn Jones.

We'll get Finn Jones and the Inhumans as the new faces of Marvel post Endgame, to buck the trend of hit movies.

Jeph Loeb presents:

Scott Buck's Iron Fist and the Inhumans

Directed by Josh Trank and Simon Kinberg

Starring Finn Jones

With a script by Edgar Wright - coming out May 2039. ​

 

[Shuri]

Please for the love of god don’t bring Finn Jones.

 

[Shuri]

Finn Jones and Mike Colter can be recast and I wouldn't care. But I feel like Cox, Berthal, and D'Onofrio all are MUST keeps. You simply won't do better. I would like to see Ritter stay on, as well. I like her quite a bit in the role.

Agreed. But do you guys still want Fisk? I think tptb should move on from him.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Agreed. But do you guys still want Fisk? I think tptb should move on from him.

Depends on the context. I love the character, but agree that in the DD world, we basically covered about all we have to in for him being the main villain of a DD story. But I would be happy if we got a story where Matt needed Fisk's help for some reason, or if they do marry the shows and movies more maybe down the line, I'd love to see Kingpin hire some secondary Spider-Man villains for a team-up. Etc.

So yes I still do, LOL

 

[Darkprime]

Fisk being in Spider-Man 3 would be awesome and really differentiate it from whats come before and would be our first glimpse at seeing how a more mature Peter Parker deals with a threat like Fisk.

 

[Shuri]

But can this Fisk be a threat to peter? I love the actor, but peter will be done with him in minutes.

 

[Dark Raven]

Agreed. But do you guys still want Fisk? I think tptb should move on from him.

I want to see Fisk interact with Spider-Man and all the other crime in New York city. I want him a true Kingpin of crime.

Now, if one were to argue that he doesn't fit the tone of the rest of the Marvel Cinematic Universe because he smashes people's heads between car doors... well I ask you this: When violent criminals or wife beaters interact with the rest of society, do they always relate in the same way that they would in private where they're at their worst? We barely see that side of them. They act one way with the public, and quite another way behind closed doors.

So just because Kingpin has done some very violent acts in private doesn't mean that he can't still interact with someone like Spider-Man. Fisk doesn't always have to act in the same way, just like people in real life. Being more controlled won't make him out of character. After all, everyone wears masks for different sets of people.

But can this Fisk be a threat to peter? I love the actor, but peter will be done with him in minutes.

It's not just about being a physical threat. Fisk controls all of the crime in the city (or should). He can make Spider-Man's life extremely difficult without even having to resort to physical violence.

 

[Shuri]

It's not just about being a physical threat. Fisk controls all of the crime in the city (or should). He can make Spider-Man's life extremely difficult without even having to resort to physical violence.

This could work.

 

[Darkprime]

Peter should be graduating in spider-man 3. Between that and a new threat like Fisk. Would be a lot to deal with.