The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 24

[KRYPTON INC.]

Man... Don't kill him... don't kill him... don't kill him...

Good choice. There is a lot you could do with him. A formidable opponent for a character like Tasha. But there's a lot of potential in the wider MCU too.

 

[Nardz937]

I was actually also thinking The Duffer Bros for F4. They'd be a good fit for X-Men too.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

They do great things with the connections between characters and I think for an FF film you really need to get the connections between the first family right, and not just the lovey dovey "we'll always be there for each other" stuff but the resentments and the misunderstandings and everything that goes along with relationships that are tightly woven.

 

[Marvel united]

There's a YT channel that legit stans the Disney-Fox merger


(Click on the title if the video doesn't play)

The romanticization of the deal in this video is sooo funny!

And yeah, the Duffer Brothers would be an excellent choice for X-Men

 

[Web-Head]

Considering the source is "We Got This Covered" I'm not inclined to believe it

 

[Fallen]

Captain Marvel is now the 10th-highest grossing comic book movie of all time.


#1 Avengers: Infinity War: $2B
#2 The Avengers: $1.5B
#3 Avengers: Age of Ultron: $1.4B
#4 Black Panther: $1.3B
#5 Iron Man 3: $1.21B
#6 Captain America: Civil War: $1.15B
#7 Aquaman: $1.14B
#8 The Dark Knight Rises: $1.08B
#9 The Dark Knight: $1B
#10 Captain Marvel: $910M

Imagine if Marvel Studios' Uncanny X-Men crosses the $1B mark.

 

[InCali]

I disagree.
The biggest battle has been won, but we are not done yet.
Besides, this thread should remain open regardless.
It is Hype history.
It is a beacon.
It's proof that being hopeful doesn't make anyone a fool, or wrong. That even what might seem impossible to all, except a stubborn few, can still come true.

It's also a reminder to that darker side of fandom that likes to step on others and claim the higher ground, waving a flag of enlightened superiority, that the situation can and will flip on them too.

This thread should never be closed.

Hear, hear!!!

It's my favorite thread on the hype.

 

[Flint Marko]

I second that. This thread is a hype staple and must never die.

 

[Boom]

I feel like we had heard the Taskmaster rumor before for Black Widow.

 

[Darkprime]

What do we think Tom Holland's announcement tomorrow morning is? I'm starting to wonder if it could be a renewal of the Marvel Sony deal.

 

[Marvel united]

What do we think Tom Holland's announcement tomorrow morning is? I'm starting to wonder if it could be a renewal of the Marvel Sony deal.

Trailer

 

[sleekstereo]

So I think we can pretty much work out what phase 4 is going to be. I may be one or two films off and it may not be in this exact order but I feel pretty confident in this list.

Black Widow (5-1-2020)
The Eternals (11-6-2020)
Black Panther 2 (2-12-2021)
Doctor Strange 2 (5-7-2021)
Shang-Chi (11-5-2021)
Captain Marvel 2 (2-18-2022)
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 (5-6-2022)
Ant-man 3 (7-29-2022)
Fantastic Four (Feb or March 2023)
Avengers 5 (April 2023)

Spiderman 3 could also appear in 2021 but that's for Sony to date not Marvel.

I think we should expect them to move up to four films a year. They have the scale for that growth.

Plus, no way they will wait till after 2023 for a X-Men film.

 

[Darkprime]

I think we should expect them to move up to four films a year. They have the scale for that growth.

Plus, no way they will wait till after 2023 for a X-Men film.

Have you considered they need to put the x-men on ice for a while after Dark Phoenix? I dont think we get x-men at all in phase 4. Eternals might plant the seeds but I think well be waiting till Phase 5. Fantastic Four will definitely come in Phase 4. Most likely right at the end like Captain Marvel. I suppose they could swap Fantastic Four and Ant-Man 3. That way FF would be in 2022. And Ant-Man 3 gets an extra year to develop.

 

[Detective Conan]

I think we should expect them to move up to four films a year. They have the scale for that growth.

Plus, no way they will wait till after 2023 for a X-Men film.

They might if Dark Phoenix comes out. I argue they might even wait even longer if Dark Phoenix is especially bad. There’s no need for Marvel to rush it.

 

[Marvel united]

Well they introduced Spider-Man 2 years after TASM2 and it went over fine and HC was still the second highest grossing Spider-Man film. They don't need to wait for the X-Men "cool off" provided they don't introduce them right out of the gate without establishing connections to the wider MCU

 

[Darkprime]

Well they introduced Spider-Man 2 years after TASM2 and it went over fine and HC was still the second highest grossing Spider-Man film. They don't need to wait for the X-Men "cool off" provided they don't introduce them right out of the gate without establishing connections to the wider MCU

You have to remember they were forced to do that by Sony once they entered in agreement. I can guarantee Marvel wont rush the x-men. They aren't being forced to get a movie out every 2 years. They may be inclined to introduce F4 sooner because it fits within the cosmic mcu moving forward. They still have to get Dark Phoenix out to.

 

[Marvel united]

You have to remember they were forced to do that by Sony once they entered in agreement. I can guarantee Marvel wont rush the x-men. They aren't being forced to get a movie out every 2 years. They may be inclined to introduce F4 sooner because it fits within the cosmic mcu moving forward. They still have to get Dark Phoenix out to.

We can debate the merits of each deal but what matters is the end result: Homecoming still being hugely successful. Nobody had "Spider-Man fatigue" because TASM2 was a massive disappointment. So Marvel CAN wait awhile before doing X-Men again but they don't HAVE to & I don't see Feige waiting too long when he's wanted the X-Men back for a decade.

 

[Detective Conan]

Well they introduced Spider-Man 2 years after TASM2 and it went over fine and HC was still the second highest grossing Spider-Man film. They don't need to wait for the X-Men "cool off" provided they don't introduce them right out of the gate without establishing connections to the wider MCU

My counter to this point is that Spider-Man is more easier to introduce quickly than the X-Men. And keep in mind, Marvel was working under Sony’s preffered schedule not theirs. A full fledged X-Men isn’t going to happen for a while. I’m of the mindset 2023 is when we’ll see MCU X-Men. And I don’t mind waiting.

 

[Darkprime]

My counter to this point is that Spider-Man is more easier to introduce quickly than the X-Men. And keep in mind, Marvel was working under Sony’s preffered schedule not theirs. A full fledged X-Men isn’t going to happen for a while. I’m of the mindset 2023 is when we’ll see MCU X-Men. And I don’t mind waiting.

3 years after Dark Phoenix would make sense thats not to say we might not see other x-men characters pop up in other movies prior to that especially if the taskmasker in Black Widow rumor ends up being true.

 

[Marvel united]

My counter to this point is that Spider-Man is more easier to introduce quickly than the X-Men. And keep in mind, Marvel was working under Sony’s preffered schedule not theirs. A full fledged X-Men isn’t going to happen for a while. I’m of the mindset 2023 is when we’ll see MCU X-Men. And I don’t mind waiting.

Well, yea, maybe a little But they can still introduce the X-Men as an established team in someone else's movie first like they did with Spidey and Panther. It should take no more than a few years to properly set up an X-Men movie. And the great thing about it is, Marvel now own the rights. So if Marvel wanted to, they could order a commission of an X-Men draft tomorrow night. Not saying this is likely but it's possible

2023-2023 is when I think we'll see the first film. But I expect to get the first sign of mutants next year in Eternals

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Well they introduced Spider-Man 2 years after TASM2 and it went over fine and HC was still the second highest grossing Spider-Man film. They don't need to wait for the X-Men "cool off" provided they don't introduce them right out of the gate without establishing connections to the wider MCU

I definitely don't think X-Men is so toxic that they have to sit on it for awhile. It is still a popular brand as shown by how popular Logan and the Deadpool movies were. DOFP isn't that far in the rearview mirror either.

Fantastic Four on the other hand might be, at least in their own film. Unlike Spider-Man and X-Men, Fantastic Four has never had a success on film or large fanbase outside of comic readers.

 

[Detective Conan]

@Kahran Ramsus: I think FF will be fine since hardly anyone in the mainstream audience remembers the FF films(hardly anyone even bothered to see the last one, lol). By the time Marvel presumably does FF(I’m thinking 2021 at the earliest) there would already be a seven year gap between the release of Fan4stic and the MCU Fantastic Four reboot. If the movie is good then he audience will go. Marvel can do brand rehabilitation well.

 

[Dark Raven]

@Kahran Ramsus: Fantastic Four, I think FF will be fine since hardly anyone in the mainstream audience remembers the FF films(hardly anyone even bothered to see the last one, lol). By the time Marvel presumably does FF(I’m thinking 2021 at the earliest) there would already be a seven year gap between the release of Fan4stic and the MCU Fantastic Four reboot. If the movie is good then he audience will go. Marvel can do brand rehabilitation well.

Don't forget some FFINO defenders saw it 10 times!

 

[Marvel united]

I definitely don't think X-Men is so toxic that they have to sit on it for awhile. It is still a popular brand as shown by how popular Logan and the Deadpool movies were. DOFP isn't that far in the rearview mirror either.

Fantastic Four on the other hand might be, at least in their own film. Unlike Spider-Man and X-Men, Fantastic Four has never had a success on film or large fanbase outside of comic readers.

Right. X-Men as a property isn't the problem. It's the extremely limited vision hampering the franchise from reaching it's true potential. I hope Dark Phoenix is mediocre at worst for the brand's sake. X-Men under a fresh, exciting new vision not hampered by early 2000s standards would definitely put butts in seats. I think parts of the X-Men universe are going to be incorporated pretty soon.

F4 will definitely need to be nursed back to health. I've always maintained that the only ones who could bring the F4 back into a successful limelight are Marvel Studios

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Right. X-Men as a property isn't the problem. It's the extremely limited vision hampering the franchise from reaching it's true potential. I hope Dark Phoenix is mediocre at worst for the brand's sake. X-Men under a fresh, exciting new vision not hampered by early 2000s standards would definitely put butts in seats. I think parts of the X-Men universe are going to be incorporated pretty soon.

F4 will definitely need to be nursed back to health. I've always maintained that the only ones who could bring the F4 back into a successful limelight are Marvel Studios

I think Marvel certainly can revive FF. I just think it will take more effort than just putting them back on screen in their own film in short order, say this is now our version, and sit back and watch it gross a billion dollars. They are going to have to work at it. They had three high profile flops in the last 15 years. I do think audiences will remember that.